[2E] Uratha and Ghosts

[wyrdhamster]

So we are after Geist 2E rules preview from Kickstarter of it - and I prepare scene in that I may use ghosts as secondary antagonists - let's talk about topic of werewolves interactions with restless dead. Most of them are, obviously, imposed by the Bone Shadows Siskur-Dah effect and Berghest Facet from Gift of Death. Are there other way for Uratha to interact with dead? New rules on 2E ghosts from GtSE 2E somehow limit things? Is there a way for non-Bone Shadows blessed wolves to see ghosts in Twilight?

[nofather]

Is there a way for non-Bone Shadows blessed wolves to see ghosts in Twilight?

There's the Barghest gift. There's not multiple Gifts that let you see ghosts in Twilight, though. You can set up a warding gift to detect ghosts that enter a certain area. A fetish or rite could do it.

[ArcaneArts]

Invent a Rite for it.

[wyrdhamster]

But I got it right - If PCs marked as Bone Shadow Siskur-Dah target Shadow Wolf Secondborn and they did not killed it - they still cannot utilize 'ability to touch and strike ephemeral entities nominated as prey with her natural weapons' if ghosts ( or other ephemerals for that matter ) where not pointed as prey in Sacred Hunt, correct? So unless ghosts are Materialized on their own and PCs do not have Berghest Facet - they cannot physically harm ghosts?

[nofather]

So unless ghosts are Materialized on their own and PCs do not have Berghest Facet - they cannot physically harm ghosts?

Hurting ghosts is another matter. Ghosts in Twilight are still weak to their bane, there are fetishes like the whisper knife that allow one to strike any entity in Twilight, rites like Twilight Purge that kick things out of Twilight, force them into Materialization and keep them from going back, and totem spirits or spirit allies with the right setup can see or attack ghosts.

And while not a direct attack one can destroy their anchors to cause Essence bleed.

[Tessie]

Destroying Anchors is much more effective for ghosts since the Anchor Condition isn't naturally occurring and having Influence 4 is extremely rare for non-Reapers.

[Gryphon's Feather]

It may be worth noting that wolfbloods with the piercing eyes tell can percieve ghosts in twilight automatically, making them good spotters for a pack interested in cleaning up ghosts?

[wyrdhamster]

It may be worth noting that wolfbloods with the piercing eyes tell can percieve ghosts in twilight automatically, making them good spotters for a pack interested in cleaning up ghosts?

But would Wolf-Blooded seeing ghosts could help to hit the ghosts by the rest of pack? Saying 'Oh, it's there... No there...' is only partially solving problem of actually getting rid of ghost in the first place.

[Gryphon's Feather]

It's a bit more information, and once the pack knows there is a ghost, the actual wolves can start up their gifts, activate fetishes made with death-related spirits, and set up any needed rites that could let them deal with it.

[ArcaneArts]

But would Wolf-Blooded seeing ghosts could help to hit the ghosts by the rest of pack? Saying 'Oh, it's there... No there...' is only partially solving problem of actually getting rid of ghost in the first place.

Late to the party, but do they need to hit it? I mean, excorism, abjuration, etc., these are things that werewolves and wolf-blooded can employ.

[Vent0]

Late to the party, but do they need to hit it? I mean, excorism, abjuration, etc., these are things that werewolves and wolf-blooded can employ.

Can Werewolves use Abjuration? I thought that rolled Integrity.

[ArcaneArts]

Can Werewolves use Abjuration? I thought that rolled Integrity.

If not abjuration directly, then rough correlations to it.