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    Here's something I've been working on for a while now. A fanmade Idigam, she's part of a bigger project I have in mind but, because she's the lynchpin of it and the writers are doing a great job at getting us excited for the Idigam Chronicles, I've forced myself to finish at least this part of my plan and share it, since I could not wait for the book to be released

    The Obsidian Butterfly is my first Idigam, so criticism is even more welcome than usual. The main inspiration behind her is quite obvious, starting with the name, but I hope I made something original enough to be interesting. Enjoy!


    Itzumazah, the Obsidian Butterfly

    "I'm afraid that's not enough, my dear. If I want to open the Gate, I'll have to ask something more from you. Now, behave and let me try again. Now please remember to scream as loud as you can during the process: it makes the whole thing easier and a lot more enjoyable. For me, at least"






    Aliases: The Obsidian Butterfly, Death's Handmaiden, the Blood Drenched Lover, the Shadow Behind the Stars

    This story is true. But the Uratha do not know it: this story belongs to others.

    No one could tell how old the Butterfly was or from where it came from. It just wandered across the land looking for something. When other spirits noticed it and began to wonder about that powerful creature, they could tell only two things: that it was in love and that it was insane.

    Itzumazah was insane because it was in love, but its soulsmate could not be found. The Butterfly waited eons for it to return, but it was only on the first days of Pangea that it embarked on a quest to find him. It soon proved to be a desperate research: no one, neither the weakest nor the mighty Incarna, remembered its lover. Places where the Idigam was absolutley certain to find some traces, proved to be false tracks. It fearlessly sought answers around all the corners of the world, from the lairs of the earliest Maeljin to the courts of the Celestines, without success. Then, Itzumazah convinced itself that the other spirits were lying, and that it was all part of a plan to keep them apart. That's when it got angry. The Idigam declared war to the world, enslaved an army of lesser spirits and devastated entire continents. Father Wolf tried to kill it dozens of times, but thanks to its ever changing nature, it always managed to escape and rebuild its forces. Every time the God of Wolves and his bastard sons vanified its efforts, it grew more and more hateful, coming to see Urfarah as the the most blatant tool of its tormentors. Its crusade only endend when Itzumazah dared to attack Helios himself, murdering every single member of the Sun Choir it managed to find and even trying to cross the coldness of space to fight him. The Butterfly clearly remembered that its lover used to delve in the exact same place of the spirit of the Sun, so it concluded he had to be part of the conspiracy, probably the mind behind it. Helios responded by incinerating the whole army as soon as it left the atmosphere, stripped the flesh from the Idigam's bones and hurled it back to the Earth's surface.

    Completely charred and barely alive, Itzumazah was forced to pause for a moment and think. Perhaps the search for its lover had been doomed to fail since the beginning. Perhaps it was as the other spirits said. It was not dead or imprisoned: it was not real. Itzumazah was the only one who remembered it. The Idigam was certain to be right but at the same time, most of the things it was ready to swear to be true, seemed to never have happened in the first place. Yet, it all seemed so real, and there where moments when it almost felt as it was about to wake up from a dream and return to a world that corresponded to that of its fractured memories. Unable to ease the struggles that plagued its mind, Itzumazah, now known as the Obsidian Butterfly, for the color of its carbonized skin, looked for the deepest chasm it could find. Here, in a desperate attempt to put an end to its sufferings, it ripped her hearth from its chest and threw it into the abyss. Feeling the blood flowing from her body and into the depths of the world, for an instant it almost hoped it could finally find peace into the cold embrace of death. Sadly, the protean nature of its kind betrayed Itzumazah and, when it noticed that its shape shifted and healed its wounds, a rain of black tears emerged from its countless eyes, and no one could say how long it stood there.

    While on the run from the fangs of Father Wolf, some other Idigams happened to ran into the grieving creature. They warned it that, with the help of Luna, the God of Wolves finally managed to find a way to imprison their kin. Itzumazah quietly got up, and walked away. It then approached Urfarah, surrendered and asked to suffer the same fate of her brothers. Father Wolf hurled it on the lunar surface, and here is where its story really diverges from those of other Idigams. You see, turns out the Butterfly was able to leave the moon.

    EXILE

    Itzumazah spent the first few centuries alone, crying, not paying attention to its brethen and their conflicts. Its exile was, in a way, a voluntary one, and thus felt no need to rage against its captors. It was a broken being. After a while, the Butterfly finally accepted the fact that its lover was not real, at least not in a conventional sense. It took a lot of time and of careful meditation, but it managed to remember enough. Like many Idigams, the Butterfly was as old as the cosmos, a monster spawned by the primordial ooze.It just happened to be a little older than most and somehow able to remember another reality; a world that could have been but that, when the reality came together and manifested, became only a discarded possibilty. And that's where its lover was trapped, The Obsidian Butterfly set forth, determined to find a way to break the walls of this reality.

    This is where the stories about the Butterfly disagree. All concur that Itzumazah left the Moon at this moment, as if it was never truly imprisoned. The reason behind this is the true point of the discussion. Perhaps its innate connection with the void of space and the darkness of the blackest nights allowed it to flee. Or maybe it struck a deal with Luna, suggest the Pure. Perhaps it was only a mere trick of fate. Some even say that Itzumazah found something buried under the lunar surface, something that it considered a kindred spirit and that showed the Idigam a way to bypass the wards created by Luna and carry on with its agenda. The true reason notwithstanding, the Idigam could roam free.

    The Butterfly rarely returned to Earth. Itzumazah thought that the answers it was looking for could not be found only on a single small planed and thus it spent most of the time exploring the dephts of cosmos, trying to understand the nature of this universe and how to tear it apart. During its brief visits, it shaped a few spirits to do her bidding and gather all knowledge they could found. At the time of its first visit, Father Wolf was already dead and the Gauntlet was born from his death cry. The Idigam was intrigued by this barrier between world and studied it carefully for a while, but eventually returned into the blackness of space.

    The Butterfly spent millenias across the stars. It witnessed the birth and death of many stars, observed the fate of countless worlds and rode the waves of the supernovas. It warred against alien spirits and drained the Essence of unawakened suns. Even then, while it indeed discovered more about the nature of this universe and the Shadow world than generations of Ithaeur may ever hope to, nothing of what it had learned could help her to achieve her goal. The doors to the other dimension were too well hidden to be found. In order to get some results, the Butterfly had to thread where even the rules of this reality break down: it had to dive into a black hole.

    In order to do so and have the dimmest hope of returning, Itzumazah kidnapped five ethereal spirits of the stars and twisted them into an unholy court of abominations. Those five, the Handmaidens, would wait for their liege just on the outskirts of the black hole and pray for its return, acting as an an anchor. As the place of this desperate act, the Obsdian Butterfly choose the massive black hole at the center of our galaxy. A return to its roots, in a way. After travelling to the outskirts of the event horizon and bidding farewell to its handmaidens, the Idigam plunged herself into the darkness.

    No one can say what exactly happened to the Obsidian Butterfly when it was inside the black hole. To its minions, Itzumazah tells that after a seemingly neverending pain and a series of events that cannot be properly explained to mortal minds, it managed to get a glimpse of the universe she sought so much, a dark and twisted place where the stars shone darkness instead of light and devoured everthing that came close to them, where it finally met its lover and all those spirits it remembered and spoke briefly with them before being forcibly expulsed from there and returning to our reality. The Butterfly says they revealed her that it had to tore this universe apart, for the deathcry of this reality would open the door to the other. One cannot exists while the other lives, and each drop of blood spilled in this universe would be a step into the right direction. Many of those who know the story insist that madness was the only thing Itzumazah could find in there, and that all the stories it tells and the spirits it tries to recreate are only a manifestation of its shattered mind. The results don't change much: the Butterfly entered a black hole and coalesced there only to return, reforged both in body and mind. The Obsidian Buttterfly took its Handmaidens and created an army of dark spirits with their assistance. Most of them would infest the cosmos and wait for her orders. The Butterfly itself returned to Earth, determined to win her battle in the same place of her original defeat. it made an oath to exterminate the spawn of Father Wolf that obstacled her so much in the days of Pangea, to make Luna fall from the sky and, most of all, to extinguish the light of Helios in order to prepare the universe for the arrival of its beloved: Anthelios, the Black Sun.

    RETURN
    Itzumazah finally returned to Earth, only to find that the discendants of Father Wolf were now confused, weaker, always at each other's throat. They have forgot most of what they knew about the Idigam. What surprised the Butterfly most was that some of its brethen evaded from the lunar prison as well. This chaotic situation suited her just fine, since the Butterfly modus operandi certainly is not among the most subtle ones. To put it bluntly, it planned to destroy everything, to kill everyone she could and to paint the Gauntlet with the blood of those who made it suffer. Nice stuff all around, with the added benefit that, aside from the ordinary powers of the Idigam, it could use this suffering to call strange spirits from "the Other Place" and further its plans.

    Itzumazah is not the strongest Idigam on Earth, not to mention some of those still imprisoned on the Moon, but it's vicious, motivated and crazy enough not to care about the consequences of it actions. A fearless being with eons of of experience and an army of spirits at its orders, the Butterfly is a force to be reckoned with. Itzumazah does not exactly stroll into a city only to tear the Gauntlet down and feast on Uratha entrails, but discrection and careful planning only work so far when you're a bloodthirsty homicidal fanatic: Werewolves will notice its presence soon or later, or at least that's something really bad is happening. If they can act before it's too late or if they can even hope to fight Itzumazah...well, that's a whole different story.

    DESCRIPTION
    Itzumazah is a terrifying creature. Sometimes it appear as a really tall tall woman with complexion as as black as the night, covered with little stars that shine an eerie light. Other times it is a giant man made of darkness, dressed with an ornate armor of obsidian that resembles no existing culture. Sometimes, she's just a humanlike silhouette which eats all the light around it, like a humanoid black hole. Beautiful, in its own sinister way. But those are only facades, optical illusions that fall as quickly as a flayed skin thrown aside: Itzumazah is a skeletal horror, a monster made of charred bones that look like onyx at first sight. A wide pair of butterfly (or bat, some would say) obsidian wings, as sharp as the sharpest blade, sprout from its back. It is costantly surrounded by a cold blue flame and often a swarm of small dots of darkness, like small black suns, follow the Idigam wherever it goes. A nightmarish figure, the Butterfly moves like a broken marionette who wails and cries until it finds its next victim, at which point it emits a blood-chilling howl and leaps forward, claws unsheathed.

    SECRETS
    Itzumazah hates the Uratha, the Pure and all the other mongrels of Father Wolf's family and would gladly erase them from the face of the Earth but, to be honest, they're not the main target of its hate. Like those conspiracy theorist who might hate the law enforcement but ultimately recognize them only as a tool of the oppressor on the top of the pyramid, the Obsidian Butterfly feels that the Uratha are only a piece of a bigger mosaic. Those who are really behind it all are, according to Itzumazah, Luna and Helios, Especially Helios. The Butterfly despises him with all its might and considers the spirit of the Sun as the main reason because its lover cannot manifest in this universe, as a thief with delusions of grandeur that took a place that did not belonged to him and convinced all the other spirits to help him keep such position. Father Wolf was a foolish bully with no right to decide what was wrong and what was right, the entitled Uratha are even worse, Luna is a whore, but Helios is the worst of them all. Naturally, this means Itzumazah plans to destroy the Sun. It has no idea of how to do it yet, but it is amassing power and exterminating all the Helions it crosses by in the meantime. Eventually, if left unchecked, the Idigam will find a way and plunge the Sun into the maw of oblivion.

    RUMORS
    "That thing thinks it is free and doing its own business but, as if that wouldn't have been bad enough, it's only a pawn of the Maejlin. You've have seen what it does on both sides of Gauntlet. Hell, i would almost be disappointed if the area is not corrupted enough to open a Wound every time it comes around. What? Don't make that face. I was just kidding!"
    While Itzumazah does not work for the Maeljin, it is true that its actions spread huge amounts of negative resonance and makes easier for the Shadow to fester into a true Wound. The Butterfly will probably kill any Bale Hound that comes looking for an ally, but it is not unreasonable for an uninformed werewolf to draw a connection between the Idigam and the Lords of the Wounds. In truth, all the pain it causes is only a mean to an end, a mean it enjoys, but a mean nevertheless. When the time will come, even the Maeljin will have to perish along the rest of the cosmos.

    "Idigams are mad, no doubt with that, but this one is crazier. I've been collecting all the fragment of its rants I could from the tales of the survivors and those depict an insane scenario. Yes, I know about those spirits that follow it but, come on, don't be stupid. They are only the results of the experiments of that monster. I don't care what you think you saw:: it does not work that way"
    Again, who knows? Itzumazah believes in its lover and its otherwordly prison and all that matters is that it wields enough power not to question the menace it poses. These strange spirits come from somewhere, but they enter the world only through the Obsidian Butterfly. It must be stopped: if the aliens spirits are born from its madness and not from a cancerous reality that only wishes to replace ours, all the better. If that's not the case...let's face a problem at the time, ok?

    "I've been lucky, I know. We found its underground nest and we we're bold enough to think that, with the help of some other packs, we could surround the Idigam and kill it. We accepted the fact that many of us would have not returned, but underestimated that monster. It was not alone: they were not spirits, not exactly, but there were plenty of them and they were on their home turf. I remember only being surrounded by sharp fangs and the sound of leathery wings, just before the light turned out. What were they, you ask? Bats, my friend. The thing created a damned Bat Shartha back in Pangea and they were only waiting down there for it to return"
    Long ago, Itzumazah ripped its hearth off its chest and threw it into a deep chasm, renouncing to a major amount of its powers. Nothing really disappears, and that amount of hateful energy transformed itself into something different. Born after the defeat the Butterfly suffered at the hands of the Sun, the Suthilu, the Bat Host, grew underground and hid beneath the eyes of the Uratha, emerging only with darkness to hunt and feed. Their istinctive imperative is simple: make this world bleed and drain it. When Itzumazah returned and found about these unexpected sons, the Idigam was simply delighted to notice that it could use them as well.
    (The Suthilu are the Bat Host I've been working on. Inspired by Mike Mignola's Baltimore vampires with a dash of Black Spiral Dancers from Werewolf the Apocalypse, I intend to post them as soon as possible)


    "The time is coming. The Obsidian Butterlfy and her cohort are only waiting for the stars to be right. If we don't prevent it, the next solar eclipse will be our last one, as they will descend from space and devour us all. But don't fear! All we need to quench her thirst is blood. Lots of blood, i know, but still better than the alternative. We all have to made some sacrifices, after all. Now please don't move: this will hurt a bit"
    Itzumazah is clever and so are its Handmaidens. They sometimes appear to suggestionable mortals (or even not so suggestionable ones) and tell them this sort of story, only to wait for the things to evolve into the most obvious direction. They don't give much attention to this cults and expect them to be eradicated soon enough but, when your goal is to rewrite reality, any help is welcome.
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    Itzumazah, the Obsidian Butterfly

    Rank: 5
    Attributes: Power 15, Finesse 13, Resistance 14
    Willpower: 28 (10 under Second Edition rules)
    Essence: max 100
    Initiative: 28
    Defense: 15
    Speed: 33
    Size: 7
    Corpus: 21 (28 under Second Edition rules)
    Influences: Darkness •••••, Death , Despair •
    Numina: Abduct, Dement, Drain, Gauntlet Breach, Ghost Eater, Harrow, Materialize, Material Vision, Reaching

    Ban: The Obsidian Butterfly was already marked, even in its protean form, by the scars and burns received when Helios almost obliterated her. When it coalesced inside the most deep darkness of a black hole, the Idigam sealed its fate as a sworn enemy of light. As long as the direct light of the Sun shines on it (as long as Helios can see it, some would say), Itzumazah does not benefit from her Defense. The Idigam knows this and thus usually avoids going around during the day. Heavily clouded days might not trigger the Ban, but that's a risky move, unless we're talking of heavy rain indeed. Generally speaking, the Butterfly spends most of daytime underground. All the spirits modified or created by Itzumazah share this ban. Notably, the ban does not work at all during solar eclipses.

    Aspects.
    Essence Shaping: Itzumazah is capable of removing the souls of living beings, manipulate Spirits and ghosts (in a way, see below), manipulate the Gauntlet and make Essence Attacks. The Butterfly is not yet able to create Claimed, but it exploits the agony of the stolen human souls to summon alien spirits. See below for details. As for the Su'ur, the Butterfly tried, but so far all those werewolves died after only few hours, twisted by agony and pain. That has not stopped it from trying again, though.
    Unlock the Black Pattern: Itzumazah uses pain and misery to summon alien spirits. Be it for another dimension of from the depth of its broken mind, provided that the Idigam has a tormented soul at hand, it can use this power. A man who died painfully, one who had his soul ripped from its body or a tormented ghost usually provides a suitable soul. Itzumazah annhilates the soul and uses the energies of the process to give birth to these spirits. It may create spirits up to Rank 4. Each level of Rank also requires 10 Essence. While the Obsidian Butterfly may use this power to create hordes of powerful spirits, the Essence expenditure is not to be underestimated and thus it rarely creates spirits stronger than Rank 1 or 2. Most of the time, it simply prefers to alters existing ones. The alien spirits are odd, unexplainable and unrelated to any existing phenomena: they seems to belong to a destructive reality of things that should not exist. Their existance is at the same time baffling and extremely blatant: any Ithaeur who meets one of them will almost certainly be surprised by those spirits, perhaps confusing them with Magath at first.
    Caress of Dead Stars: Itzumazah may call a rain of cold burning blue fire from the sky creating small pockets of fire across the area. The fire consumes what it touches, but it is not hot: it is something born from the coldness of the void. The Obsidian Butterfly can attempt to direct the fire at targets. It rolls Finesse– Defense. Anyone caught by the fire suffers 3L damage automatically. The fires do not last and only live as long as Itzumazah spends Essence to fuel them, at a rate of 5 Essence per turn. This power can be used only once per scene.


    2nd Edition notes:
    Armor: 14
    Manifestations:
    Gauntlet Breach, Image, Materialize, Reaching, Shadow Gate, Twilight Form
    Numina: Awe, Dement, Allucination, Omen Trance, Pathfinder, Regenerate, Seek, Speed
    Influences: Darkness 5, Despair 3, Death 2
    Bane: An Aztec sacrificial knife, the blade covered by molten gold
    Essence Shaping: Essence Void,Essence Attack, Gauntlet Manipulation, Shadow Warp, Spirit Manipulation,
    Forge Servants: Forge Flesh-Bound Spirit
    Dread Powers: Colossus, Caress of Dead Stars, Furious Madness, Nightmare Plague, Spirit Dominion. Spirit Interrogation
    Unlock the Black Pattern: Spirits spawned by this power, unlike those made by the Forge Spawn power, don't have to share
    Itzumazah's Ban or Bane, and they can develop their own Influences. They also share the same exception to spirit rules that Void Spirit have even if, strictly speaking, they are not "just" alien spirits from outside the Earth..


    The Five Handmaidens


    During her wanderings across the cosmos, Itzumazah encountered many star spirits. Some, it questioned, hoping to learn something that could help it on its quest. Others, it fought and devoured. The obvious similiarities between those spirits and Helios assured that the Idigam always appproached them with spite. By the time the Obsidian Butterfly was ready to attempt its journey into the black hole, the same eldritch knowledge she gathered during its ancient existence suggested it a possible way to make return. By tainting enough powerful spirits with her Essence, with a demonstration of mastery over the ephemeral world and strength impressive even for an Idigam, Itzumazah could forge a beacon to show her the way back from the abyss. It was a risky gamble, the chances of success almost nonexistent, but Itzumazah had no doubts, naturally. The Obsidian Butterfly saw in this an occasion to take some satisfactions. In a vicious mockery of Helios, it tortured and corrupted five star spirits into becoming its most trusted lieutenants. They were not as metaphisically strong as Helios, but the cruel irony of the act is evident: star spirits forged anew to help it tear down one of their own kind.

    The result of that perversion are the five Handmaidens. Twisted, insane and completely loyal to Itzumazah, these once proud spirits act as the main enforcers of the Idigam's will. The Butterfly deprived them of their name and completely perverted their nature, ripping their identities away and replacing them with something more suitable to its tastes. Like their master, the Handmaidens are restless beings, always moving from a place to another and leaving a trail of destruction behind themselves. They mostly travel alone, sharing their knowledge and ideas whenever their paths cross. The unholy court rarely reunites in full and, when it happens, that's usually a very bad sign.


    Rank: 5
    Attributes: Power 12, Finesse 12, Resistance 12
    Willpower: 10
    Essence: max 50
    Initiative: 24
    Defense: 12
    Speed: 28
    Size: 6
    Corpus: 18
    Ban: The Handmaidens are all subject to the same Ban of the Obsidian Butterfly. Tragic, considering their previous existence as luminous beings.
    Manifestations: Twilight Form, Discorporate, Reaching, Gauntlet Breach, Shadow Gateway, Materialize

    Numina: Awe, Blast, Dement, Pathfinder, Seek, Speed, Sign, Telekinesis

    - The Maiden of Fangs
    The Maiden of Fangs, as her name suggests, is the most feral of her sisters. The Obsidian Butterfly transformed her into a an avatar of the hungry things that crawl in the night. The most direct and brutal member of her family, the Maiden of Fangs loves to get her hands dirty, personally leading her nocturnal hunts. She most often appears as a humanoid creature with bloodshot eyes, her skin costantly opening into a mosaic of bestial maws. Every inch of the Maiden's body is covered in teeth, claws and patches of dark fur.
    Influences: Predators 5, Hunt 1
    Numina: Drain, Regenerate
    Bane: Jaguar's pelt

    - The Maiden of Sighs
    The withered being known as t
    he Maiden of Sighs shows a cruel predilection for suffocating its victims. In the Maiden of Sighs, Itzumazah put part of her nature of airborne fiend. The Maiden collects the breath of her victims straight from their lungs so they can accompany her forever in her restless flight. A choir of voices follows the Maiden of Sighs wherever she goes, the remainders of lives abruptly interrupted.
    Influences: Breath 5, Wind 1
    Numina: Drain, Entropic Decay
    Bane: A piece of glass recovered from a house destroyed by a tornado


    - The Maiden of Hate
    Even if she's not a star anymore, t
    he Maiden of Hate is still burning. The blood-red light she irradiates carries over the same hatred that haunts the mind of the Obsidian Butterfly. The Maiden herself seems suprisingly calm at first sight but her eyes betray a cold, neverending desire to burn the universe to cinders.
    Influences: Hatred 5, Fire 2
    Numina: Regenerate
    Bane: A mirror completely blackened by fire

    - The Maiden of Tears
    The Maiden of Tears was unfortunate enough to become the receptacle for Itzumazah's eternal desperation. This sad creatures is always weeping, forever condemned to never find peace. Those who cross her soon share her torment: the Maiden of Tears is infamously know to bring others to suicide.Those who resist, she drowns.
    Influences: Depression 5, Water 3
    Bane: The bones of a Dunkleosteus

    - The Shattered Maiden
    Whatever Itzumazah's plan for this spirit was, it did not work. The mind of the poor being broke for the agony and, quite simply, it shattered. What's left is something insane even for the standard of the Handmaidens. T
    he Shattered Maiden looks like a little pale girl with weirdly colored hair that are costantly changing. She is completely unpredictable, a creature as much as dangerous as she is destructive.
    Influences: Madness 5, Knowledge 2
    Numina: Omen Trance
    Bane: A greenstone sculpture made to resemble a serpent
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    • #3
      I like the concept a lot, but I have some reservations. Chiefly that a female character who is driven to antagonistic behavior by insanity and the desire for a male character's love is... Well it plays into some problematic stereotypes of women. I would like this a lot more if the gender of both the Butterfly and it's lost love were neutral, or in flux. There is precedent for such gender ambiguity in the Idigam Chronicle's portrayal of Luna and Father/Mother Wolf, and as spirits, they wouldn't have actual sexes by our human understanding of them, and would probably view gender completely differently. Especially the Idigam, as they are so ever-changing. But other than that misigiving, I love the general idea! Great work.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by Charlaquin View Post
        I like the concept a lot, but I have some reservations. Chiefly that a female character who is driven to antagonistic behavior by insanity and the desire for a male character's love is... Well it plays into some problematic stereotypes of women. I would like this a lot more if the gender of both the Butterfly and it's lost love were neutral, or in flux. There is precedent for such gender ambiguity in the Idigam Chronicle's portrayal of Luna and Father/Mother Wolf, and as spirits, they wouldn't have actual sexes by our human understanding of them, and would probably view gender completely differently. Especially the Idigam, as they are so ever-changing.
        I admit that's something that came to my mind as well, not gonna lie.

        I was aiming at something similar at the relationship between Marvel's Thanos and Death (not intentionally, but after you brainstorm a while and that's what comes out, you have to be honest with yourself) and kept the Butterfly a female because her blatant mythological inspiration is, but I can definitely see what your point is. Unfortunate implications that happen when you reverse the genders, too bad. I hoped that I could manage to write the Idigam without giving the wrong impression, but I guess I was not successfull. The sexes are indeed not meaning much when talking about spirits and the Butterfly is mad for reason that have nothing to do with her gender, but if that's only implied and my write-up sounds fishy, then I guess it's better to review it a bit. Apologies for screwing this up: I aknowledged the risks but ignored them.
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        • #5
          Well- while I don't have a problem with the Butterfly being a female, maybe instead of searching for a specific "lover" she would search for something more general? I mean, the Idigam are spirits which don't represent anything- so maybe her search for a "lover" is a search for something what she represented. Something that could be "her", that would give her a some kind of meaning. Maybe she hates being so "fluid" and wish to anchor herself to something- but it is against her nature, for even the idigams have their own limitations. That way, she doesn't seek for love as much for a place in the world- which may sound nice, but she is an Idigam so it really isn't going to end well..

          also- Bat Hosts! I want bat hosts!

          Edit- wait.... Butterfly... Death.. Aztec myth.. Moon.. OMG I KNOW I KNOW IT"S-

          *screams as an hunter angel shows up and stab him*

          nothing to see here. move along.
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          • #6
            While that's a good solution and quite simply a great idea for an Idigam, I have plans for Anthelios and its court, as they are linked to the Bat Host and a couple other things I've been working on for other gamelines. That's why I am a bit reluctant to scrap them right away and I'd rather rewrite the Butterfly and the Black Sun as genderless beings. I hope the quick rewrite I did improved the things enough. If that's not the case, I'll probably follow your suggestion.



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            • #7
              I love this Abyss-obsessesed spirit - if official Idigams are going to be this kind monsters, I'm all for it! I have some questions to it:

              1. Itzumazah is "fluid" - could you desribe in what way? It has three forms, but nothing I would call truly "instable".

              2. I run Bale Hounds small game and I would gladly use it as false Totem for whole local cult, that players would uncover as not Maeljin in the end. But from write-up it means that it can't stand proximity of even as such corrupt werewolves. Have any idea how to solve this?


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              • #8
                Don't worry about the gender. Women obsess about men, men obsess about women. It is a fact of life.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
                  I love this Abyss-obsessesed spirit - if official Idigams are going to be this kind monsters, I'm all for it! I have some questions to it:
                  Thanks. I left it vague since we're talking about Werewolf but, unless I change idea along the way, the Black Sun is going to be a major Abyssal Being.

                  Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
                  1. Itzumazah is "fluid" - could you desribe in what way? It has three forms, but nothing I would call truly "instable".
                  Not really. The three forms are more like an illusion, a memory of lost aspects of self the Idigam has left behind. Merely a mirage that disappears after few seconds. You look at Itzumazah and see an armored warrior. Then you blink only to found a giant skeleton in front of you, wondering how you could have missed it. It does not even happen always and after the illusion is broken it never appear as strong as the first time for the viewer.

                  Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
                  2. I run Bale Hounds small game and I would gladly use it as false Totem for whole local cult, that players would uncover as not Maeljin in the end. But from write-up it means that it can't stand proximity of even as such corrupt werewolves. Have any idea how to solve this?
                  Sure. It just takes a careful and smart Bale Hound to contact it.
                  To hope to speak with Butterfly, a Bale Hound would probably have to approach it carefully, leaving gifts at first (the sort of gifts a Bale Hound could make to a bloodthirsty Idigam), solve some of the problems Itzumazah may have in the local area then have some spirits intercede for him. Spirits the Bale Hound does not care much for are probably the best choice. Then, after meeting the Butterfly,such Bale Hound would have to convince the Idigam that they share a common goal and that, even if most Bale Hounds serve the Maeljin and have no interest into destroying the world completely, his pack and his allies. on the other hand, are willing to listen and help.
                  If you flatter it enough. keep your head down and don't show any sign of disrespect, all while offering her plenty of victims to do her thing, the Obsidian Butterfly might be willing to play with the Bale Hounds for a while. It will not thrust them at all, and it will continue to create its spirits and increase its control over the area. It won't have much patience and would probably prefer to speak only with a limited number of Bale Hounds but, if the werewolves convince the Idigam of the fact that they can be used to further its goals and won't interfere with its agenda, the Butterfly might be convinced to not destroy them. The Bale Hounds will only have to be worried about keeping the Idigam entertained and having a good escape plan in case they succeed in their work and become the only available target around.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Chattnos View Post
                    Don't worry about the gender. Women obsess about men, men obsess about women. It is a fact of life.
                    Yes, but, there's a long-standing societal stereotype wherein women are driven insane because of their love for a man/desire to be loved by a man linked to longer-standing beliefs that women are overly emotional and women in power are inherently destructive because of their inability to control their emotions.

                    I think giving the Idigam gender is a flaw in and of itself: it's implying that such mutable creatures are even possible of being divided along a binary, arbitrary line.


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                    • #11
                      Feh. A single pronoun was picked for consistency. Minor editing problem. It's good work. Dwelling on such a minor issue diminishes the work unnecessarily.

                      Good work, Cinder. I'm stealing this bad boy/girl/thing if I get the chance to run a game.


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BigDamnHero View Post

                        Yes, but, there's a long-standing societal stereotype wherein women are driven insane because of their love for a man/desire to be loved by a man linked to longer-standing beliefs that women are overly emotional and women in power are inherently destructive because of their inability to control their emotions.

                        I think giving the Idigam gender is a flaw in and of itself: it's implying that such mutable creatures are even possible of being divided along a binary, arbitrary line.
                        I didn't intend the give the Idigam a defined sex, as I agree with what the others have said about their mutable nature. The gender issue was more a combination of me being lazily loyal to my inspiration sources and the fact that the neutral gender does not exist in my original language and thus sometimes sounds really odd in my brain when I use it to describe beings that I picture in a certain way while I write.

                        That said, while I agree that being obsessed with another is not a matter of sex, the criticism confirmed some doubts I had and made it clear that some things I thought to have explained were not written well enough. It didn't cost me much to rewrite the Butterfly a little and if that allowed me to stay clear from some negative stereotypes, that's probably for the best. We have examples of Idigams described as female for the sake of narrative and I doubt the writers thought of them according to human genders any more than I had, but unfortunately my first write-up was misleading and touched some sensitives topics, judging from the comments. Too bad.
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                        • #13
                          I do hate that the only thing that I've said in this thread is negative, so I'll come back and say that I really enjoy this creature. As a fan of the "cosmic" stuff in superhero comics, she has a wonderful Jack Kirby-esque image in my brain, especially after you mentioned Thanos and Death.

                          I like that the Idigam, either through insanity or simply their nature, are the kinds of creatures who could get away with having the oft-mocked motivation of "destroy the universe". Especially in Itzumazah's case.

                          This is my first ever look at an Idigam, too, since I only have the WtF core book (eagerly awaiting the GMC update), and I'm amazed by how powerful they really are. And yousay she's not even the most powerful? Scary.


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                            Originally posted by BigDamnHero View Post

                            Yes, but, there's a long-standing societal stereotype wherein women are driven insane because of their love for a man/desire to be loved by a man linked to longer-standing beliefs that women are overly emotional and women in power are inherently destructive because of their inability to control their emotions.
                            Bollocks! How many stories, TV shows , etc the villain is the creepy guy who obsesses over someone he sees as his soulmate?
                            And the emotional women is a western concept. Ever watched a middle eastern funeral? The men are wailing Job style.

                            The vikings had a proverb warning about the cold counsel of a woman. Emotional woman stereotype is hardly universal.


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                              Originally posted by Chattnos View Post
                              Bollocks! How many stories, TV shows , etc the villain is the creepy guy who obsesses over someone he sees as his soulmate?
                              And the emotional women is a western concept. Ever watched a middle eastern funeral? The men are wailing Job style.

                              The vikings had a proverb warning about the cold counsel of a woman. Emotional woman stereotype is hardly universal.
                              Hey, if you want to bring imperialism into this, that's on you.


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