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  • #46
    Werewolves are half human, half wolf spirits, thinking they are human before First Change. That's why I think that leaving Renown Spirit as their 'ghost'
    at death is more logical, in cosmological reasons. Also, I do not like that only 'ancestors' you can have is amalgamation of all previous members of your family line. Much better is to summon greategreatgreatdad 'Red Tooth that slayered Pure in his life crusade'.
    Last edited by wyrdhamster; 03-02-2017, 04:02 PM.


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    • #47
      Originally posted by Omegaphallic View Post
      And if they have a soul, then they should be able to produce a ghost.
      They do have souls. Presence of souls have no-to-little bearing on ghosts. As noted, buildings, animals and towns have left ghosts, these things do not have souls.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
        Werewolves are half human, half wolf spirits, thinking they are human before First Change.
        Interesting, then why do they have Integrity before the First Change instead of Harmony if no transforming act takes place? Wouldn't the change in the fundamental way they operate indicate that they were not in fact already werewolves, in the same sense caterpillars are not already butterflies?

        I don't think werewolves are any more werewolves before the change than a human is already a vampire before the embrace, and the mechanics support that view.

        Also since in 2nd edition you can become wolf blood by being exposed to Lunacy, the 1st edition ties of werewolf to genetic lineage is not as it was.

        This is off topic though. The topic is Ghost Werewolves, something that if a Ghost Town is possible isn't absurd, but rather likely something with a very particular constellation of prerequisites.

        Originally posted by nofather View Post
        They do have souls. Presence of souls have no-to-little bearing on ghosts. As noted, buildings, animals and towns have left ghosts, these things do not have souls.
        This is true, towns and even trees can leave a ghost, as per Ghost Stories.
        Last edited by Pale_Crusader; 03-02-2017, 09:50 PM.


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        • #49
          Originally posted by Pale_Crusader View Post
          Interesting, then why do they have Integrity before the First Change instead of Harmony if no transforming act takes place? Wouldn't the change in the fundamental way they operate indicate that they were not in fact already werewolves, in the same sense caterpillars are not already butterflies?
          Well, there's your answer. Caterpillars are the same animal as butterflies, but they don't actually look like butterflies at all. If you didn't know from the start that butterflies grow from caterpillars, you wouldn't know the two were the same animal, because of how dramatic the metamorphosis is, and you/d probably consider a caterpillar to be more like a grub or worm. The First Change is a metaphysical metamorphosis, as the Werewolf's spiritual side asserting itself. Untill they change, they have no "Spirit" side yet developed to lean toward, so at low Integrity/Harmony, they just lean toward "nothing." Technically, they have Harmony, but since their Spirit side isn't grown in yet, decaying toward Spirit looks pretty much the same as a human decaying toward Zero Integrity. Since it looks pretty much the same, it makes more sense to represent it as the same.


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          • #50
            Originally posted by malonkey1 View Post

            Well, there's your answer. Caterpillars are the same animal as butterflies, but they don't actually look like butterflies at all. If you didn't know from the start that butterflies grow from caterpillars, you wouldn't know the two were the same animal, because of how dramatic the metamorphosis is, and you/d probably consider a caterpillar to be more like a grub or worm. The First Change is a metaphysical metamorphosis, as the Werewolf's spiritual side asserting itself. Untill they change, they have no "Spirit" side yet developed to lean toward, so at low Integrity/Harmony, they just lean toward "nothing." Technically, they have Harmony, but since their Spirit side isn't grown in yet, decaying toward Spirit looks pretty much the same as a human decaying toward Zero Integrity. Since it looks pretty much the same, it makes more sense to represent it as the same.
            Solid and well thought out rebuttal. +1 Internet to you. I feel like this is off topic (Ghost Werewolves) but interesting enough to deserve its own thread. I'll be making one in a bit and then link from here.
            Last edited by Pale_Crusader; 03-03-2017, 11:26 AM.


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