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  • #16
    Originally posted by Firanai View Post
    Hum...when I read about the stretch goal, and as someone who has zero knowledge about the previous edition, I assumed that ninhonjin superiors would be Japan's alternative to psions: Human beings enhanced with technology to the point they become equal in power to the psions, or even more. To see an example check out the game Deus ex human revolution and mankind divided to see what I'm talking about. It's ok if it's another thing but I would also like the option to play cool cyborgs or genetically enhanced humans.
    They’re definitely Nippon’s answer to Psions, but despite being (Tier 2) Eximorphs, they may play out a lot like you’re describing - just less hardtech and more genetic level enhancement via the harnessing of Quantum energy.

    Anima era (set in the 2080s, pre-Prometheus Chambers) May have more of the hardtech enhancements you’re looking for!


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    • #17
      Originally posted by Dataweaver View Post
      In Asia Ascendant, Superiors were said to be upgraded Daredevils. I never liked that argument, as the rules for Superiors never felt like upgraded Daredevils.
      I felt AA came away with Superiors were to Daredevils as Psions were to Mesmerists. A focused mechanically built version that lost versatility for the sake of raw power. I mean AA had a whole separate controlled Erruption low taint Nova as a thing so it made sense to me at the time.

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      • #18
        The catch is that that requires Nippon to know a heck of a lot more about Talents than everyone else does.


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        • #19
          It think Superiors being Talents/Daredevils in 2e would undermine how Talent PCs are viable all over the world. Eximorphs work better as something intentionally created through a harnessable process than Paramorphs. The whole point of Talents as the corebook PC-type is that they work in any context without needing a special origin.


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          • #20
            Well we are mixing things up. I agree that Superiors seem to work better as Eximorphs in the 2e meta, just that pointing out in AA they had both Superiors AND permanent low grade Novas as separate things.

            But there are some pretty major changes in 2e. In 2e the Nihon psion "fix' no longer requires you become a Superior. They can just kill it. Being a Latent is NOT the Potential to be a Psiad but rather different paths on the psychomorph tree. With that being the case having multiple paths on the Paramorph or Eximorph tree wouldn't invalidate particular types in my mind. It also might make certain people who are frightened of the option of Tier 3 paramorphs not be concerned that Talents automatically upgrade.

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            • #21
              If you've backed the KS, in the Aeon Supplement, there is an entire chapter dedicated to cyberware. Also, we're far enough past the Superiors stretch goal that I think it's safe to say that we definitely have this one in the bag!

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              • #22
                I have to agree that the Superiors being a controlled version of the Stalwart/Nova expression does seem to fit better. Humanity has always had the potential to express greatness in these three ways... and with Talents being viable through all ages (at least all that we currently know of) while the other two being significantly rarer (Stalwart/Nova expressions being the rarest iirc), then showing how all three can also be present in different times (and in different ways... with different levels of Stalwarts [Superiors], Novas [from Eden] and Aberrants [of Colony] compared to the Proxies [advanced Psions], Psions [standard] and Psiads [once we get the 177k strech goal]) just shows us all that is really possible with the setting.

                Different characters from different origins at different levels of power... different takes off of similar themes. How will the Superiors react should it be discovered that they are not as different from the Novas that came before or the Aberrants that are a current threat as they may think? How will the public react if such knowledge were revealed? I didn't get far beyond the Core book for Aeon in 1st Ed so I don't know what sort of reactions there was when it was revealed that Psions and Aberrants are similar with that genetic switch (though I also don't know how widespread that knowledge became), but judging from what little I have read... even the usually benevolent Aeon Trinity was trying to assassinate those who knew to keep the knowledge secret. If even then "good" guys are willing to act villainous in regards to this discovery... it must be seen as a huge threat to the world as they know it.

                This is one of the truly amazing things about the setting... just when you think you have things figured out on one level, you discover that the secrets go even deeper than you ever realized. We have only barely begun to scratch the surface of all this setting has to offer... and it is but one of the settings possible within the Continuum.


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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Lian View Post

                  I felt AA came away with Superiors were to Daredevils as Psions were to Mesmerists. A focused mechanically built version that lost versatility for the sake of raw power. I mean AA had a whole separate controlled Erruption low taint Nova as a thing so it made sense to me at the time.
                  I've been playing around with the old system and found that you can essentially build Superiors using the Adventure Transformation points. That said, the thing that made Superiors really scary was the Cyberware. I found that I could take a Neutral and load him up with cyberware to the points that he was almost a Psiad with modes in Biokinesis and Electrokinesis.

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                  • #24
                    It's interesting how the power scaling works.

                    Stalwarts are the power equivalent of Mesmerists.

                    Superiors are the equivalent of Psions, including being artificially altered.

                    But while Psions "naturally" created contemporaries (Psiads) are generally less powerful than them, the "natural" erupted counterparts to Superiors are god damn NOVAS.

                    So the tanks (in most cases) enhances the potential of psychomorphs, but eximorphs are far more powerful if they naturally erupt.


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                    • #25
                      Well isn’t it something to do with More eruptions result in more eruptions till they reach a threshold and become Novas? Because aren’t Stalwarts also natural Superiors. But also weaker?

                      And Psiads are also more flexible, so maybe it’s less they are weaker but just less narrow, as Psions were designed as a secret curtail to potential. With higher evolved species it seems their Psiads later become as puissant as Psions.


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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
                        Well isn’t it something to do with More eruptions result in more eruptions till they reach a threshold and become Novas? Because aren’t Stalwarts also natural Superiors. But also weaker?
                        Just as Mesmerists are natural Psions but weaker. That still leaves a Psiad equivalent out of the eximorph spectrum.


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                        • #27
                          Psiads and Novas are natural, Novas are far more powerful, but have the Corruption, and Psiads are much more flexible than psions.
                          Mesmerists and Stalwarts are subtle, probable for lacking of knowledge about their situation and lack of proper training, but otherwise I think they would be able to improve to Psiad/Nova levels.
                          Psions and Superiors are both limited to a fraction of the power of their natural counterparts, Psions can’t have more than a dot from auxialiry modes and Superiors can’t get corruption so can’t get a big M-R node, so no high quantum so no big powers. It’s all about controled versions of the natural counterparts...

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                          • #28
                            Just gonna say that Mesmerists are lower class of Psiads, with both being natural. Just like Stalwarts are lower class of Novas.

                            It is Psions which are artificial and unnatural.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by LordHeru View Post
                              Just gonna say that Mesmerists are lower class of Psiads, with both being natural. Just like Stalwarts are lower class of Novas.

                              It is Psions which are artificial and unnatural.
                              Yeah, I know. Psions and Superiors.

                              My point was that it’s interesting that this lineup makes Psiads and Novas equivalents when they’re so wildly off from each other on the power spectrum, when all the other equivalencies lineup.


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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by glamourweaver View Post

                                Yeah, I know. Psions and Superiors.

                                My point was that it’s interesting that this lineup makes Psiads and Novas equivalents when they’re so wildly off from each other on the power spectrum, when all the other equivalencies lineup.
                                My bad. I didn't realize that was your point. But yeah, make a really good point on that. It is interesting because on a power scale Novas can basically do anything while Psiads are restricted to a very structured power system.

                                That said maybe at a high enough level Psiad can create aptitudes and modes different from the eight that we have.

                                Actually, thinking about it, that makes sense because we know that Quantakinesis doesn't exist for the Doyen. They don't have that ability. So who's to say some other species or humanity and time could have access to I don't know Universakinesis. (Lol)

                                Obviously, this is simply a thought point and not something that I expect mechanical rules for at any point in time. That's said I would like at some point the idea of additional modes for the aptitudes, like we got in the expansion books for previous Edition.

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