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  • GoblinSociety
    started a topic Psychic detection

    Psychic detection

    In Aeon, what's the actual mechanism for detecting latents and other psychics? Quantakinesis lets its orders appear as any psi level to noetic detection, and it's mentioned that latents are more often detected in Aesclepian Order screenings, but a quick search through the PDF didn't make it clear whether this is done with a psionic power, or some kind of diagnostic device, or some third kind of thing. Since one of my players is playing a quantakinetic posing as a non-psionic person, I'm curious what sort of methods of detection exist.

  • Topher Gerkey
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    I think about half the members of each Order express Aptitudes different from the Aptitude of the Order they belong to...that may have been where it came from?

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  • Lian
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    Originally posted by TheSarcasticSage View Post
    No, not 1/2, ~7,000 are freelance, compared to ~100,000 in the various orders.

    ...for some reason I read it as an extra 0 there. Still there's probably alot more Freelancers or even potential freelancers vs psiads

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  • TheSarcasticSage
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    No, not 1/2, ~7,000 are freelance, compared to ~100,000 in the various orders.

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  • Lian
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    Originally posted by Darksol-aeternium View Post
    Given the exclusivity of the Prometheus chambers, I'd expect that governments, corporations, and criminal syndicates who want their own psychics would focus more on Psiads than Psions. You have to recruit a Psion since they're going to be involved with some other group regardless in order to get access to a promy chamber, but as soon as even one Psiad comes to light they'll be all over the idea of; What is this, how did it come to be, and how do we induce this in others?

    Psiads are so rare its not even funny, but there are plenty of people who do their time in the Orders and just leave to go Freelance. These would be the people I'd expect to be targeted. I think what.. half of the Psions by the book are freelance.

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  • Darksol-aeternium
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    Given the exclusivity of the Prometheus chambers, I'd expect that governments, corporations, and criminal syndicates who want their own psychics would focus more on Psiads than Psions. You have to recruit a Psion since they're going to be involved with some other group regardless in order to get access to a promy chamber, but as soon as even one Psiad comes to light they'll be all over the idea of; What is this, how did it come to be, and how do we induce this in others?

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  • TheSarcasticSage
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    Originally posted by Shadowstripe View Post
    You're saying that none of the other Governments of the world are not eve a little bit jealous of the power the Psi-Orders have and wouldn't love to take control of the Psions they have? Not even a little? Even if it means secretly testing as many citizens as it takes to gain the same advantage?
    Im sure they would love to, but even if they test and find all the latents in their given country... what then? What do you do with a pool of latents? They have no access to the Prometheus Chambers.

    Originally posted by Shadowstripe View Post
    I guess I miss-read that part in the FSA write up when it said that they would love to usurp control of the Electrokinetics from Orgotek and are not conducting their own tests on the lower levels of citizens to see who would have Latency that they could potentially use to their advantage (allowing a 2nd Class or lower Latent 1st Class status if they become a Psion loyal to them before the Orders for example). It would seem unlikely that many of the lower classes in this country have as free access to the voluntary centers... especially in the more remote areas of the nation.
    Latency means nothing if you can't do anything with it. Orgotech has the chamber, and while I'm sure that the FSA would love to get a hold of it. They know that they only get one chance to try and grab it, and they aren't quite willing to kill the golden goose just yet.

    Originally posted by Shadowstripe View Post
    I'm sure that there are other nations... or at least factions within them that would also want to have psions loyal to them. They may need the Psi-Orders to awaken the powers of the Psions through the Prometheus Cambers the Orders control, but that doesn't mean that they do not posses means to persuade or coerce an impressionable Latent to be loyal to their cause in exchange for arranging access to a Prometheus Chamber from one of the Orders... officially or otherwise.
    Hence why there is usually a Telepath or two, and a Clear who look over all perspective candidates.

    Originally posted by Shadowstripe View Post
    If even a cursory medical exam could provide enough information to at least determine latency (not sure if it can determine how strong of a latency) even if doing so is not standard procedure, then it is possible that anyone with access to such information could conduct such a screening even if it isn't official (or legal in most places).
    Once again, yes, they can, but of what value is doing so? Everything costs something, and unless there are results... funding for any such project will dry up quite fast.... Unless this is the plot of your own personal campaign, and in that case, go for it. It sounds like it could be a neat premise for a campaign.

    Originally posted by Shadowstripe View Post
    The world may not be as dark, paranoid or filled with conspiracies as the World of Darkness... but there are groups and factions that do want to control beings like Psions (and Novas... and even Talents when recognized)... or at least level the playing field with their own such operatives. If they have to resort to covert means to gain such an advantage (for what ever reason they may have), then so be it. I doubt the world of Aeon is so perfectly Utopian that even the most covert faction relies on obvious means to recruit such assets.
    Of course not everyone is on the up and up. There are entire sections of TC: Aeon dedicated to espionage games. FSA, Nippon, Eastern Europe, India, the list goes on and on. The game just didn't make them front and center, but they are still there, ready and waiting for any SG that wants to use them.

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  • Lian
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    I imagine its RATHER hard to slip people past the psi order screening with.. Telepaths existing. Might as well work to corrupt someone after they've gotten through. Also mass detection on a subtle scale would require ready access to health care to sneak it in.

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  • Shadowstripe
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    You're saying that none of the other Governments of the world are not eve a little bit jealous of the power the Psi-Orders have and wouldn't love to take control of the Psions they have? Not even a little? Even if it means secretly testing as many citizens as it takes to gain the same advantage?

    I guess I miss-read that part in the FSA write up when it said that they would love to usurp control of the Electrokinetics from Orgotek and are not conducting their own tests on the lower levels of citizens to see who would have Latency that they could potentially use to their advantage (allowing a 2nd Class or lower Latent 1st Class status if they become a Psion loyal to them before the Orders for example). It would seem unlikely that many of the lower classes in this country have as free access to the voluntary centers... especially in the more remote areas of the nation.

    I'm sure that there are other nations... or at least factions within them that would also want to have psions loyal to them. They may need the Psi-Orders to awaken the powers of the Psions through the Prometheus Cambers the Orders control, but that doesn't mean that they do not posses means to persuade or coerce an impressionable Latent to be loyal to their cause in exchange for arranging access to a Prometheus Chamber from one of the Orders... officially or otherwise.

    If even a cursory medical exam could provide enough information to at least determine latency (not sure if it can determine how strong of a latency) even if doing so is not standard procedure, then it is possible that anyone with access to such information could conduct such a screening even if it isn't official (or legal in most places).

    The world may not be as dark, paranoid or filled with conspiracies as the World of Darkness... but there are groups and factions that do want to control beings like Psions (and Novas... and even Talents when recognized)... or at least level the playing field with their own such operatives. If they have to resort to covert means to gain such an advantage (for what ever reason they may have), then so be it. I doubt the world of Aeon is so perfectly Utopian that even the most covert faction relies on obvious means to recruit such assets.

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  • Topher Gerkey
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    "World of Brightness" definitely used to get some offhand backchannel use as a sort of joking reference to the increased emphasis on heroism and optimism we were to shoot for.

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  • LordHeru
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    I'm so glad the Trinity Continuum isnt the world of darkness. (I like to think of it as a world of brightness, though not in any official capacity).

    I have to say I like how relatively easy testing might be. That and the fact anyone theoretically could meet the requirements (as in the trait doesn't care about social, political, economic, etc back grounds.)

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  • Bunyip
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    Originally posted by Shadowstripe View Post
    Yes, the obvious testing centers can be avoided... probably fairly easily... but do governments rely only on those to see who is latent? Nippon obviously doesn't... and tests everyone secretly as much as they can to deal with the possibility. What of other countries (and psi-order) who want to be sure that no one escapes screening? What are the chances that someone can avoid even these secretive testing methods (probably just looking for the gene in medical exams and such) without even realizing they are doing so?
    The Trinity Continuum isn’t the World/Chronicles of Darkness. There’s no shadow conspiracy aimed at screening the world. Apart from Nippon, no other country is doing forced (or secret) screening across the entire population. Enough people want to be psions that plenty of latents are discovered through their voluntary attendance at a center, and that keeps the Orders plenty busy with training and their work towards humanity’s future.

    You can add what you’re describing to your game and world as you want. If you do so, it’s entirely up to you to decide how easy/difficult it is to avoid the detection methods your conspiracy has put in place.

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  • Shadowstripe
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    Yes, the obvious testing centers can be avoided... probably fairly easily... but do governments rely only on those to see who is latent? Nippon obviously doesn't... and tests everyone secretly as much as they can to deal with the possibility. What of other countries (and psi-order) who want to be sure that no one escapes screening? What are the chances that someone can avoid even these secretive testing methods (probably just looking for the gene in medical exams and such) without even realizing they are doing so?

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  • Bunyip
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    Originally posted by Shadowstripe View Post
    While it is possible to test for Laency, even without one's knowledge of it happening... it is also possible for one to be Latent but not detected... even if one is a strong latent (even without an uncontrolled use of a Mode)?
    It’s very easy to be an undetected latent - just never go to a screening centre. Done.

    Originally posted by Shadowstripe View Post
    Just how widespread is the screening? How thoroughly is this screening? Can a person not be screened without realizing they've managed to avoid it? It isn't like everyone administering the tests are saying that they are testing for.
    Screening centers are all over the place. They’ll be harder to find in some countries than others, but they’re still there.

    And I think you’ve answered your own question at the end, there.

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  • Shadowstripe
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    While it is possible to test for Laency, even without one's knowledge of it happening... it is also possible for one to be Latent but not detected... even if one is a strong latent (even without an uncontrolled use of a Mode)?

    Just how widespread is the screening? How thoroughly is this screening? Can a person not be screened without realizing they've managed to avoid it? It isn't like everyone administering the tests are saying that they are testing for.

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