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  • Eldagusto
    started a topic How does Superscience work?

    How does Superscience work?

    So the world's governments banned Nova Science after they left. But is their any system difference between Aberrant Tech and normal advanced tech from say a future era?

    I find it hard to believe the whole world would just turn their back on supertechnology when in crisis. Anyone who didn't banish their confiscated Nova tech would have an immediate advantage.

    Or am I misunderstanding things? Is it like Technocracies enlightened science and Nova Tech is actually tainted by Quantum?

    In the setting how easy would it be for a singular Nova to have single handedly invented greater Science then the whole of the world at large? Can you have veritable Tony Stark and Reed Richards who are single handedly inventing things centuries ahead of the rest of the world and even better then lesser super scientists like Hank McCoy?

    I really want more Trinity, especially Aberrant now... :P


    And whats stopping an advanced alien species from not needing Psi or Quantum, but just using insane science to perform godlike feats?

  • Topher Gerkey
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    I'm reminded of Modular Man from the Wild Cards series. The creator of the android was an Ace whose only power was to create the android.

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  • Dataweaver
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    Aberrant 1e included a sidebar about “stealth Novas”: Novas who have no Quantum Powers, a handful of dots in Mega-Attributes, and some Enhancements. To my mind, that sounds a lot like a Stalwart.

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  • LordHeru
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    That a a pretty interesting way to go about it that still feels like a Nova.

    It's different from what I'm used to and so it requires me to think more on it. But it sounds fun.

    I could see him having Mega-Mental and maybe Mega-Social attributes with numerous low key but powerful enhancements enhancing his social work and technology design.

    I could see that maybe the reason he aurbuves Extremis is because he is a nova, which then let's him take numerous other powers as well.

    That said, even though I do find the potential cool, I think him as a Stalwart might work better. Just my thoughts though.

    By the way this is brilluant

    As Stark builds more and more armour, as a side effect he progresses the genre expectations, which means over time more of his tech can find its way into lower level use. Eventually, he will be able to build (or provide designs for others to build) power armour variations that baselines can use.
    Also this makes a lot more sense if they did it thus way.

    Actually I wish the Comics and movies did more to make Tony Stark unique, like make his suit require a brilliant lightning fast computer brain to operate, rather then how it is where anyone can be handed a suit but he just never bothers really to hand suits to anyone besides his best friends.
    They kind of half say it that in the movies but then back peddle a bit.

    Though him making multiple AI so makes sense as him being Inspired.

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    I think part of the 1e problem is they didn't know where they wanted to go with things at the time. So novatech is totally given multiple half answers.

    0ersonally in my Aberrant game im gping to ignore the Aeon future amd allow my nova players to go aid if they wanted to.
    Last edited by LordHeru; 03-24-2018, 07:31 PM.

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  • Eldagusto
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    Thanks for the input! That is along the lines of what I was hoping!

    I was a bit confused onto the nature of Nova Tech, and that clears things up if Powered Science is something that only the Nova can use.

    Actually I wish the Comics and movies did more to make Tony Stark unique, like make his suit require a brilliant lightning fast computer brain to operate, rather then how it is where anyone can be handed a suit but he just never bothers really to hand suits to anyone besides his best friends.

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  • Bunyip
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    Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
    But I mean Tony Stark would be a Nova, his brilliance is superhuman, hence why he could build the suit.
    To my mind, Stark would be Nova-level who channels most of his power through intellect and technology. The Iron Man suits would be Powered Science, which is why they’re almost always a step beyond other suits he builds, such as the War Machine armour. War Machine would be Inspired Science, able to be used by anyone, but impossible to reverse engineer by anyone except other Inspired types. Hence why various governments/rivals have so much trouble recreating the Stark tech, or do so in a significantly less efficient form.

    As Stark constantly tinkers and makes new (Iron Man) suits, you start to see examples across the range. He builds his bleeding-edge Powered Science suits, figures out how to make (some/most of) the tech usable by others and pulls together a bunch of Inspired Science suits, and sometimes manufactures standalone subsystems for release as Advanced Science.

    This ties into the sidebar on genre as well, which mentions how super items from one era might be mundane in another. As Stark builds more and more armour, as a side effect he progresses the genre expectations, which means over time more of his tech can find its way into lower level use. Eventually, he will be able to build (or provide designs for others to build) power armour variations that baselines can use.

    That’s my opinion on it, anyway.

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  • Eldagusto
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    It sounds to me then it is odd if you can't create a character that concentrates on Mega-Intelligence and Cunning and whatever the power name for charisma is, as the dump for your free points and then spend all your normal exp on Edges and skill tricks. Or even work out some method to convert Nova points into Edges. Because Ironman has an insane amount of artifacts, even with the enhanced armory edge.

    And if you are going to be playing Ironman rather then having him as an NPC then you won't feel limited on what to get him, just dump into technomancy powers, he had those for a while with Extremis and Superior Ironman.

    Are mega-attributes so cheap you can't just invest in three of them without overflowing in early to mid levels?

    And you don't have to be powergamery all the time, yeah its not as flashing getting attributes, skills, edges, and skill tricks but if you have a concept in mind then you are playing that role. It ruins it if people bring D N D ascetics of min maxing and optimal builds. And that kind of spirit would eliminate the fun in a crossover.

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  • LordHeru
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    They do but with that one thing being a power that has a number of features mechanically. The optic blast you talk about multiple powers can be bought to represent elements of it.

    The thing is with but a point the Nova can have 5 dots in basically all mundane abilities. Then they buy multiple mega attributes to enhance it further.

    So while you can do to the points available most spread out a bit more.

    As a note the Hulk, multiple different powers, not just one. He could also be started up in numerous ways.

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  • Eldagusto
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    Originally posted by LordHeru View Post
    Or you just leave him as a Talent and give him a gift that boosts his intelligence upward. Maybe with other gifts that are a but Mesmerist in make up.

    It's more rewarding them making him a Nova with one ability and then just bank his nearly 30 nova points.

    I'm sorry but I don't see it.
    Thing is Most Superheroes don't constantly beef up and gain various infinite powers. Cyclops has a Really good Optic Blast, has superhuman spatial relations, and the rest are his skills as a leader, pilot, and combatant.

    I am not the best with the systems as I am just learning 2nd ed which doesn't even have Aberrant yet, but you are telling me he can't just dumb his Nova points into Mega Mental Attributes, a touch of Mega Charisma, and if he is still improving some sort of tech power?

    Does Aberrant not support Superheroes who are good at just one thing? You can't make a Hulk with all your nova points dumbed into Strength and stamina?

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  • LordHeru
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    Or you just leave him as a Talent and give him a gift that boosts his intelligence upward. Maybe with other gifts that are a but Mesmerist in make up.

    It's more rewarding them making him a Nova with one ability and then just bank his nearly 30 nova points.

    I'm sorry but I don't see it.

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  • Eldagusto
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    Thing is Ironman's brainpower would need Nova level Intellect to work. In his Universe some humans can achieve that naturally, but it doesn't change the fact that his brain power naturally is comparable to those who achieved mental brilliance through superhuman means (like the Leader, Sage, and Forge). So he would literally be a Nova with just Mega Intellect, and the rest of him is Talent material.

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  • LordHeru
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    I don't think it's entirely arbitrary. Aberrant isn't a toolkit game it has an actual thene and point. One aspect of this is what a Nova looks like and how their powers function.

    Both Batman and Iron Man are mechanically speaking rich men in awesome suits. Their smart yes but not superhuman smart. They don't have quanum powers.

    So saying you can't play them makes sense to me. Not when the point is to play a Nova.

    Thankfully the issue is basically solved in 2e - both figures are Talents.

    By the way I love Iron Man,so I'm totally not disparaging there characters or ow awesome they are. I just don't think their Novas.

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  • Jetstream
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    Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
    Wait really they Said Novas wasn't really compatible for making Ironman? What were the reasons given?
    Arbitrary ones. 1e Aberrant had a lot of statements of “no you can’t have X” for no real reason.

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  • Eldagusto
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    Originally posted by Dataweaver View Post
    Remember, in 1e there were no Talents in Aberrant. As such, allowing Iron Man pretty much equalled allowing a baseline human to figure out how to build the suit — which carried implications of mass production and similar world-changing potential.
    But I mean Tony Stark would be a Nova, his brilliance is superhuman, hence why he could build the suit.

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  • Dataweaver
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    Remember, in 1e there were no Talents in Aberrant. As such, allowing Iron Man pretty much equalled allowing a baseline human to figure out how to build the suit — which carried implications of mass production and similar world-changing potential.

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