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  • Integrity is used for Lying???

    So I took a look at the ye' ole Core rulebook and realized that Integrity is used to hide your emotions and intent. It even has an example about lying your way past a guard using Integrity. Whereas the very first sentence of Larceny mentions it is the skills of misdirection and deception.

    I assume what they mean is the Intergirty is about emotionally lying, whereas Larceny is physical lying.

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    That’s the same thing I got.

    Integrity is about reading, pretending and standing against emotions.
    Larceny is about hiding and secrecy, both for yourself and other objects.

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    • #3
      hmm, was just surprised. It was counter to my long term (read - habitable) knowledge of older Story games.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bioagent View Post
        hmm, was just surprised. It was counter to my long term (read - habitable) knowledge of older Story games.
        They also have a pretty extended skill list, that was turned into 16.

        The Perception skill, probably the best example, became part of several skills, you use Survival to detect animals to hunt in the Wild, Integrity to detect people lying, Larceny to detect people hiding stuff. You use your training in hiding stuff to detect stuff, that’s very smart as I see.

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        • #5
          I dislike "Subterfuge" as a skill, because it's Buy This To Be A Thief. Integrity letting you lie better is a riff off L5R - it's not so much what you say, but the conviction and sincerity with which you say it.


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          • #6
            I can totally see why the change exists. Just didn't realize there was actually a change until just the other day. It is interesting.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Neall View Post
              I dislike "Subterfuge" as a skill, because it's Buy This To Be A Thief. Integrity letting you lie better is a riff off L5R - it's not so much what you say, but the conviction and sincerity with which you say it.

              Agree, dividing the “Thief” skill in 2, Integrity for Lawers and Larceny for their clients, is very interesting.

              Another thing about TC is the Aim skill, while Scion uses Firearms, it clear to me that a Bow uses Aim in TC, but not what to do with it in Scion (Athletics probably), same for some powers that need to be Aimed.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mateus Luz View Post


                Agree, dividing the “Thief” skill in 2, Integrity for Lawers and Larceny for their clients, is very interesting.

                Another thing about TC is the Aim skill, while Scion uses Firearms, it clear to me that a Bow uses Aim in TC, but not what to do with it in Scion (Athletics probably), same for some powers that need to be Aimed.
                I'm "Storyguiding" a campaign of Scion with my friends and for easier understanding and speaking I translated most terms to portuguese (we're from Brazil). I translated Firearms to Pontaria (Aim in english), so bows use "Aim" in our campaign. Athletics already has too much in it. It is "feats of strength, feats of movement, feats of endurance, thrown weapons, and resistance to things". If archery will be used with Athletics, basically Athletics could be called "the archer skill".

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                • #9
                  There is overlap but I’m fine with characters using different skills to accomplish the same thing. Sometimes two people are good at something for completely different reasons.


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                  • #10
                    My own take on it, like Neall's, is that Integrity is about the presentation: convincing people that you're sincere. What you're trying to convince them of is secondary; it could be truth or a lie.

                    Traditionally, it's more common for it to be a lie because we tend to assume that if you're telling the truth people will believe you; but that ain't always so: if you're in a situation where, say, you've been framed, Integrity can be used to convince people of the truth.


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mateus Luz View Post


                      Agree, dividing the “Thief” skill in 2, Integrity for Lawers and Larceny for their clients, is very interesting.

                      Another thing about TC is the Aim skill, while Scion uses Firearms, it clear to me that a Bow uses Aim in TC, but not what to do with it in Scion (Athletics probably), same for some powers that need to be Aimed.

                      interesting you mentioned this

                      I pinged the Dystopia and they Came From Beneath the Sea guys and they pretty much said you could use either but lean towards Athletics for thrown items.

                      Also because in CoD athletic helped determine range I have decided to use it as follows:

                      Modern + Games : Athletics will be thrown and bow
                      Dark Ages or Fantasy: Athletics will be used for thrown and Aim will be Archery (bow and crossbow)

                      This for me is based also on the importance of the skill within the setting.

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