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[jamiemalk]

The plan i thought of as soon as i read Body Impolitic was to use Graft Life to Life to add eyes, ears, teeth ect to a limb that you'd Vissed into a miniature version of yourself. Basically a homunculus waiting to use if the main body got ashed. Graft could also be used to replace the limb you've removed, or, even better, add one before you start the modifications.

[jamiemalk]

"So long as the Tzimisce has a living extremity tucked away somewhere, she can't be fully killed and may be able to reconstruct herself given time"

The power does heavily suggest this is possible, although i think you'd need something like Graft Life to Life to make it a valid strategy......

[jamiemalk]

Friendly vampires? Easy.

Remove the Beast. No more humanity to stave it off and no more frenzying. Kindred don't have to spend the rest of their unlives structuring around it. Pretty much every Evil thing vamps do can be traced back to the fact that they have a Beast just waiting to Murder Death Kill everything. Mechanically, it's one failed roll that can ruin your life. Still get hungry, but no chance of loosing your crap and eating a whole family. A Cainite would be no more inherently bad than your avaerge human.

[jamiemalk]

I agree with Godwin, it's Gif, not Jif. And leave arguing over nazis to people who know any.

[jamiemalk]

I see waaay more people called Nazi than show any kind of actual nazi view. My problem is the people shouting are starting to act more like the assholes. Hell, i got called a Nazi for saying that people shouldn't be beaten in the streets. Tribalism is going nuts. For us or against us is not a game i like to play....

[jamiemalk]

Nazi is getting throw around waaaay to much these days. Skinhead with a swastika tattooed on his forehead, "Fuck off" is fine. Someone who has a slightly different politcal view is not a Nazi. I've seen people called nazi for Not wanting nazis rounded up and shot. This is just crazy talk. A slightly masogyinst dude who's not got the skills to be able to talk to a woman like a person isn't a nazi, but if he gets treated like one, that's what he'll turn into. I know guys that have never talked to someone of African decent, not because they're a white supremicist, but because there are...

[jamiemalk]

Yeah, but if the place i order the pizza from suddenly gets judgy at me for trying to be nice, i'm gonna find somewhere else to order from.

VtM used to be like Revised Cam, everybody was in, unless they did something heinous. Now V5 is acting like their own version of the Cam, our way or the highway, we might let you in if you agree with us utterly. It'd actually be kinda funny, if it wasn't depressing......

[jamiemalk]

That's awesome, does that not make you feel good about the game? If they'd bumped you down the road what good would that have done?



As i see it, if you want to be the the moral ones, you kinda have to be the Adults in the room. Kicking the stinky kid out of the sandpit without suggesting they take a shower first is just a shitty thing to do. I've talked people out of crappy world views, and i sure as hell didn't do it by treating them as a stupid child or a social leper......

[jamiemalk]

Aaagh, it's the whole principle to be honest. The world is not simple enough for that statement to have any point, and it is emblematic of a closed mind. If the World of Darkness is being this stupid and blunt, it's like a step backwards.

The example of my experience with the Malkavian representation. It's declaring wrongthink, and it's an awful direction to start going in. Like Nyrufa said, there are lots of elements of darker parts of the WoD, and the game would be lessened, and from where i'm looking is being lessened by that attitude.

[jamiemalk]

I'm not a nazi, and it doesn't feel welcoming to me......

[jamiemalk]

Edit, oh and CTPhipps, you were by far the most vocal in defense of those quirky magicians. Still more sense for the Daughters to be running Europe than for the keystone cops to be a serious sect to me though






This is part of why it's so depressing though. Say you have a proto-randall, he's been listening to Nazi nonsence from people and is starting to lean that way. Would you rather he came to a game where there's more of a chance of him seeing the horror, or telling him to piss off and letting him keep drinking the kool-aid until he shaves his...

[jamiemalk]

Yes, i found out about that ending, but no one back in the day i spoke to knew about it.

Honestly, i always saw the Anarchs as the kiddies not wanting to play with the grown ups. The revolt happened, Cam formed to try and survive sticking to the older traditions and the Sabbat went on their nutty tear down the elders and eldest trip. The anarchs were too immature to play proper poltics, too scared to keep fighting like the sabbat wanted to, but didn't have the gumption to go full autarkis. Honestly, they've always been the angry dregs or sullen teenagers to me. I've known a couple...

[jamiemalk]

Honest question though, do you think the Nazi Go Home thing would have had any effect on Randall? I've known some real pricks, not in the same league as the Nazi gangs you've mentioned, and they'd just chuckle at the idea.

The way you deal with these arseholes isn't as easy as putting a please stay out sign up. Anybody polite enough to obey it, well, they're not really the problem. It's the painful task of discovering them that's the communities issue. Once Randall outs himself, he's cut off.

Do you get me? Maybe i'm just not used to this kind of out and proud nazi thing...

[jamiemalk]

I'm not trying to restart the arguments from back then, this just seemed like the perfect point to illustrate how being "progressive and inclusive" can actually force people out that it's trying to be nice to.

Being heavy handed with a message is quite often counter productive. Like in V5, when i read the "Nazis can GTFO of our game" bit i went, hmm, this is not a good thing. I'm not a Nazi, but that kind of moronic statement is just, i don't know, childish? Like, if you're having to make a Sexism Is Bad statement, who is that for? Sexists aren't going to have...

[jamiemalk]

On the subject of, ahem, "wokeness". In the Bloodlines 2 thread, when i said i hoped that Malkavians would not be given "realistic and respectful" real mental issues i was shouted down for having the wrong opinion. The example of Hellblade was brought up a few times. I had to leave the thread.

Now, i'm a schizophrenic, one of the prime wacky/sinister mental conditions. Seeing and experiencing "realistic and respectful" depictions of my symptoms is bad for me. All the people who suffer from similar symptoms to me that i have asked about agree, we avoid...

[jamiemalk]

I'm not sure what the exact wording of the flaw is, but as i remember it, you can only gain blood from supernatural sources. Primarily kindred, but lupines and fey and potentially others are the only sources that will fill you or slake your hunger. How i've always read that is, you can wake up and drain a town, but unless there happens to be a supernatural in there, the weak blood will just start being pushed out of your body. Not via vomiting. Vomiting is not something i think a frenzying vampire should ever do, it defeats the puropose and tone. In my head, they bloat, their skin stretching and...