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[jamiemalk]

Instantly means as soon as you burn the blood it takes effect, so unless the werewolfs ambush you, as soon as you burn blood at the start of the round, the power will be active.

[jamiemalk]

It's exasperation.

I've tried to explain how this might have gone better. I tried to engage with the conversation.

When you didn't care enough about the last edition to even try to engage with it, and were somehow bothered by rolling dice in a tabletop game. You happily say V5 encourages adaption, but it offers so much less than the previous edition, that could fairly easily have been altered to accommodate stuff from V5.

Trust me, if i start being condescending I'll regret it, so i'm being as nice as i can be....

[jamiemalk]

Oh, yes, i forgot, far too many dice rolls, except the gimicky new intrusive ones, those are much better.

If you didn't want any of these changes to vampire, why did you even play this one?

[jamiemalk]

You cannot conceive a way to have introduced any of the ideas into V20?

My condolences to you.

I don't like them and can think they could be, for a fan to be unable to is just depressing.

[jamiemalk]

Do you not think that maybe there wouldn't have been so much ire if they'd just gone about things with a little more care. If they want to maintain Masquerade as a brand, maybe make gradual changes.

Loads of people seem to have had a problem with hunger, ok, so what might have been a more graceful way to handle it. Maybe link it to a specific bit of metaplot? An event that sends changes through the setting that lets people transition naturally, and shock horror, lets them play through it.

Something weird has happened in the Cradle of Civilisation. no one knows exactly...

[jamiemalk]

Yeah, having an opinion is petulant.



I haven't heard this since i was in school......

[jamiemalk]

Right, ok i was missinformed.

Had been told Requiem was V4, believed it. Fine that's on me for being trusting.

However.

I would not have called this Masquerade, due to the vast changes to the game. Many pages ago i said while this is looks like it could get sued for using VtM copywritten words, because no way in hell does it read like or describe the setting and game up to this point....

[jamiemalk]

Ok, that's not clarified your earlier point at all.

You said Masquerade was dead, i shouldn't be surprised that this is unrecognisable.

Why did they call it Masquerade then, other than to mislead people who had happy memories of when that game was still being written for?

[jamiemalk]

Ok. They killed it, we argee.

Requiem is the thing now, sure fine.

Is V5 a Masquerade book or a Requiem book?

Because i one i'm reading has Masquerade right on the cover......

[jamiemalk]

It's frustrating because 1 2 & 3 feel like natural evolutions. They made sense.

They decided to kill it, fair enough, i'm disappointed, here's Gehenna.

Requiem, some people like it, i don't, that's all fine.

When they change the name back to Masquerade, I thought that's what they were doing.

That's why this is such a kick in the nuts. I was baited, and they switched. I got my hopes up.

I was offered szechuan sauce and was given tofu paste.

[jamiemalk]

It's a bit different. Every edition of 40k has changed the rules fairly significantly that i saw, that was the pattern. New edition, simpler rules, more expensive miniatures. As i got older, they very obviously set their target at younger players.

Masquerade, that was quite consistent. Then they did Requiem, and had the decency not to call it Masquerade. I saw someone call it V4, that was news to me. Totally new game as far as i was concerned.

V20 happened, and was good. Got people excited for the game again. V5 is coming, Ok, cool. Then the play tests and the alpha and...

[jamiemalk]

Yeah, my mistake for thinking it would be a Masquerade game...

[jamiemalk]

People have continuously made the claim that V20 did not have a hunger mechanic, and that the V5 version was needed to make it a part of the game. I've lost track at this point of exactly where to refer you to, but it's been really irritating me.

[jamiemalk]

If you chose to look at it like a mana pool, that's a decision you made. The system didn't encourage it, it might have allowed it if you decided to play it that way, but that's not a bad thing.

Lots of people have said that this was common, but it wasn't to me. Blood and feeding come up every session i play in, and not in a "I'll just go feed, be back in 5" way. In roleplaying....

[jamiemalk]

The point i was making wasn't about hands here.

It was the concept of left and right. If you need to write which is which on your hand, you've got problems. Likewise, if you need hunger dice to remind you you're playing a vampire that drinks blood, the problem runs a lot deeper than you seem to think....

[jamiemalk]

The same point stands though. If you generate a character in vampire, you should know blood is important, in the same way that you know left and right.

Writing "Left" and "Right" on your hands shouldn't be needed, and neither should this hunger mechanic....

[jamiemalk]

No.

It's possible to be aware of something without it being annoying.

I know i have a hand, i don't need a note stapled to it saying "Hand" to remind me....

[jamiemalk]

So, please bear with me here, no communication or agreement is needed?...