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  • Ajax
    replied to Sandmen motivations?
    It's messing with the mortal world. They may not be a de facto Criminal Guild but that doesn't mean they get a pass. It's like Keening. Chanteurs who mess with the Skinlands are just as guilty as those who use Outrage, Puppetry, Pandemonium, Alchemy, etc. but, since their Arcanos is equally useful in the Skinlands, they aren't inherently malefactors. (Hells, Alchemcy indicates that it's not just messing with the living that's an issue, since it's just messing with the stuff in the Skinlands. Arguably, Phantasm, as it works directly on a mortal, is a much worse crime when used in that w...
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  • Ajax
    replied to Sandmen motivations?
    So..... Total and utter violation of the Dictum. Sandman meet Artificer. Welcome to eternity as a moaning doorstop....
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  • Ajax
    replied to I have a Secret…
    Me too. Or I already downloaded it.

    Sorta an open secret.......
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  • Ajax
    replied to A potential Technocrat story
    Even when there are things that are even remotely analogous to a "dungeon crawl" it ends up being way phatasmagorical....

    Like journeying through the time-lost ruins of a Murder House to learn the history of the activities of the serial killer hotelier to figure how to deal with his spectral remnants and cleanse the Node in the basement. Only really it's more of the rooms as metaphors for the various parts of his consciousness. Or a location-based, sandbox-style tour through the post-apocalyptic remnants of the city which they were based in order to collect clues about...
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  • That's the thing I think is really salient, but not overt at all. The Arete 9 Celestial Chorister is still going to have to shape the magic somehow. It's not just pure wishcrafting (though, depending on how internalized the Practice could be, it might look like it). She won't be using the Instruments of a different Sect or Practice, but she it won't be that she's doing nothing. E.g. when a mystic mage gets to Arete 9 they are still doing some kind of magic that looks like something that is limited by the way in which they have always perceived it.

    Though, now that I think on...
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  • Ajax
    replied to Enlivenening a Ghost
    Well... I did throw a few out there......
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  • I'm not sure I buy that. A thought form doesn't need to be meditated on. Otherwise it would require that it be adjunct to meditation. Bring the form to mind and BOOM. It's like a mental mudra.

    But, even better, how about mathematics and equations? You don't HAVE to make Ability rolls to use your Instruments, either. Never says that. Anymore than you have to use up your Resources or make a Finance roll if you have Money as an Instrument. And with the right level of skill (which can be Merits or Abilitiy dots or whatever), characters can instantly solve math problems with...
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  • Ajax
    replied to Management and Human Resources
    Or just make $40 million come into existence for whatever purpose you need it and fill out the paperwork to justify it afterwards. Or go golfing with your boss if you don't want to commit anything to a format visible to the NWO. Which doesn't take much effort at all... Probably just some Data and Mind. Maybe some Entropy along with it or after the fact to smooth out any unwanted economic ripples such an Adjustment might cause....
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  • Ajax
    replied to Management and Human Resources
    I agree with Bluecho, this is a feature not a bug. And it doesn't matter if adds overhead to the player, as, in essence, that's exactly what Practice and Instruments DO. They make the game less one of players (particularly bad players), just handwave away the magic and just say "I use Correspondence 3 to get there."

    Should Syndicate members be teleporting? Does that make sense for them? Can they touch a pile of leaves and turn it into money? Which leads to my digression, which isn't about the different ways that Correspondence can be used to walk through walls,...
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  • Ajax
    replied to Enlivenening a Ghost
    You're going to have to wing it and make it up. The rules don't really speak to it.

    If you put a wraith in a box, take that box to the Middle Umbra, fill it full of Gnosis, marinate, let the ghost out, what have you got? (Assume you have all the relevant Spheres to do that sort of thing).

    If a player did something like that in one of my games (and, I guess, they have in some sorts of ways), I would definitely allow something interesting to happen.

    In fact, who knows what will happen if you just take a wraith from the Shadowlands and just release it into the...
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    Last edited by Ajax; 06-10-2017, 09:58 AM.

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  • I'm with Heavy. The Spheres already occupy a very weird hybrid place or double existence in Mage, as both in-game concepts and as part of the above-the-table rules. Meaning, a Sphere doesn't just exist as an artifact of the rules (like Dexterity), if you have a Sphere/specialty Sphere/alternate Sphere/sub-Sphere it's existence is known to the characters, player and non-, in the context of the game world.

    That's why Primal Utility functions. It's as per Dataweaver and Heavy's statements: (Data) It functionally behaves differently in a quasi-balanced way by swapping in and out...
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  • Actually, with the advent of Focus, THEY ARE. If Instruments just included magic words, circle, gadgets, whatever, you might might be right, but with ideas and thoughts being Instruments and Instruments existing within the framework of Practice.... It's not a vague-ish "thing" out there like pre-M20 paradigm was. If Tools = Instruments then they do link so tight into paradigm/practice that there is no space in between any longer. And that is what makes the Purple Paradigm slightly wonky now... Because if Practice and Instruments can equate to thoughts and intentions and gestures, then...
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    Last edited by Ajax; 06-10-2017, 09:35 AM.

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  • If you are hacking the web with your mind by just standing there and thinking about it, are you still a VA? If you are hacking reality and making apples out of nothing, are you still a VA?

    If you are disintigrating things with a disinitigration ray with no disintigration ray gun, just thinking about forming a disintigration ray, are you still an Etherite?

    If a MiB can just stand there and intimidate you by doing absolutely nothing, just "being intimidating" is he still a member of the NWO?

    This is why I agree with part of the point Dataweaver...
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  • Ajax
    replied to Qlippothic Spheres for everyone!
    That is EXACTLY flavor. It's limiting the expression of a Sphere in a way that is consonant with the magical practice of the user. It's no different AT ALL in any functional way from having the magic of most Hermetics "having a Hermetic" feel or that of Choristers having a "Chorister-y way about it". If your Hermetic is doing his magic in exactly the same way most people would perceive as being associated with a Verbena with all the aspects of his Focus, then is he really a Hermetic other than socially? (By which he is going to be in Ex Misc, at best.... and is far to "Diedne"...
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    Last edited by Ajax; 06-07-2017, 12:51 PM.

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  • I have made which of the three paths are taken a player choice for their characters along the lines of picking Practice, Paradigm and Instruments. And it doesn't always track with the Technocrat, technomancer, mystic attribution of the various groups.

    For example, there are NWO agents who really get close to being mystics. If their Instruments are things like kinesics, proximics, memetics, then it's fairly easy to see one of them gradually dropping the various particular Instruments and getting closer and closer to something like psychic. "How did he get that guy to do that?"...
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  • Ajax
    replied to Qlippothic Spheres for everyone!
    There. That.

    Make that mean something other than just flavor text.

    And make it something meaningful that makes it "worth it" to go Nephandi. Make the Cauls actually do something other than just acting a "reverse birth" metaphor.

    Oh, and see if there might not be something that makes toying with the concepts of Nephandi-ness actually give you some reach into their idiosyncratic magical awfulness (like Infernal Investments only not because it's not little add-on superpowers but actually has something to with the mage and their magic)....
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  • Ajax
    replied to Qlippothic Spheres for everyone!
    And that is something that is perfectly 100% totally and completely that any normal Sphere could do effectively. And if you REALLY want to hammer it home, there are Prime and Entropy effects that specifically deal with that. So, once again, there is nothing other than shear flavor text to make the distinction. Would you, as a ST, tell a player she or he could not eliminate the space or utterly wipe out the memory if their Focus and way of doing magic created a framework in which that makes total sense (of which I could reel off half a dozen with no problem)? Would you, as a player whose character...
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    Last edited by Ajax; 06-06-2017, 11:33 AM.

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  • Ajax
    replied to Qlippothic Spheres for everyone!
    But, from your initial post, there is absolutely nothing to distinguish the mechanical uses of the "Qllippothic" Sphere from those that would make sense for someone with the exact same Spheres, similar Focus and the willingness to court certain types of Resonance (and the possible consequences thereof). Entropy 1 has ALWAYS been about breaking things down as a major component (same with Entropy 3, 4, 5, etc.) Her use as described broadly and from the example seems not so different. I guess it feels eeeeeeeevil/naughty/forbidden to the character and/or those with whom she hangs...
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  • Oh yeah, you can entirely ditch Prime and just add the relevant bits to the other Spheres. And get rid of Entropy while you're at it....
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  • I'm not sure what you mean by this. Could you give an example?

    Or, potentially, as a way to frame the discussion, is Primal Utility an example of what you're talking about? As it is, effectively, Prime sensu strico retasked to obtain energies from an alternative source (human endeavor as opposed to "plugging into the grid" as it were). Perhaps that is a sort of Prime "sub-Sphere" that has been optimized for use with Entropy/Mind situations (I'm thinking of those as exemplifyhing organized, coordinated, thought shaped activity.... I guess it could be just Entropy,...
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