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  • More like 1/3 joking. Based on the info about the undersea activities of the VEs in Blood-dimmed Tides....
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  • Or to be closer to their Dark Lord, Cthulhu.......
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  • Can you actually have anything remotely like a "standing military" for a faction of mages? I mean, maybe proxy fights and some direct action by the equivalent of spec-ops, but a standing military is a completely different thing.

    The original slant on It-X was just as poor as the original slant on all the other Conventions, as they were just deep dives into the antagonist mindset to flesh them out when everyone knows the REAL game is about the Traditions. Since then every other Convention has been fleshed out to something that makes sense in line with actual mission...
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  • As long as it's more on the MiB side than the Ivory Tower folks...

    Uber-academia is a status-obsessed nest of incestuous vipers that doesn't bear the faintest resemblance to something logical or orderly. Admittedly the powers that be in the Ivory Tower know that, are masters of applied psychology/sociology/anthropology and know to use the MiBs as their stalking horse. Or is that more false-flag? Perhaps even Judas goat?...
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  • No. They are in the Skinlands AND the Shadowlands because those two places are inextriciably intertwined. Because a wraith can't walk through a wall without spending a Corpus. The wall is THERE to the wraith. The wall in the SKINLANDS is there to the wraith. The Skinlands and the Shadowlands are two sides of the same thing. It's like the same room as you are sitting in right now under a black light. But with ghosts and ghost stuff. In fact, the Skinlands reality is the dominant one with the "Shadowlands" as a thin layer over and through it, since Skinlands folks don't have to...
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  • It's where the absence makes the difference. RAW never anywhere says that it does. You can't just assume something that HUGE in. It goes out of it's way to restrict the ability of Corpus to interact with the Skinlands. It goes against pretty much every other aspect of the relationship between the Shadowlands and the Skinlands where getting out of the Underworld is so hard it's pretty much impossible except in fleeting, sad ways. The nature of becoming a Risen argues against it pretty damn hard. If Relics were able to cross the Shroud, that's the place where it would happen, since that's...
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  • I always saw it as It-X being more about being the "Building Shit" Convention. And wars are a great way to inspire and test new innovations. But not the only way and It-X is just as busy doing those things. And their hierarchical nature makes them very efficient at assuming a military posture (But they're efficient at most things, since they actually have a self-criticism Methodology specifically tasked with improving efficiency). But being the best at prosecuting war doesn't necessarily make them warlike. Both the NWO and the Syndicate seem more concerned with provoking conflicts...
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  • Looks like you need some Processing, fellow. You mean Extra-dimensional Entities, correct?...
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  • Me do rules. Golden Rule is good. Rules is common ground. Common ground is good.

    Answer to OP in rules... You can't under any reasonable interpretation of the rules that does not fall back on the Golden Rule as a handwaving fiat.

    You want wraiths grabbing their Relics and coming over using Embody 5 or even 4, or even for the brief shining moments of 3, the rules bend away from that (at a HARD angle), but if it seems cool, go for it. Embody in RAW is pretty weak and useless as is. I mean, personally, not being able to use Embody 4 with heavy Moliation kinda sucks....
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  • Ajax
    replied to Creating a wraith deliberately
    But it's always the easiest way to get something done that can't be done by any normal means. So, barring it's exclusion, it's the parsimonious answer. Just get a mage with the right set of Spheres and, though it might not be easy, it would be doable....
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  • Why would the Stygian steel sword Embody with the Wraith? Why would ANYTHING Relic-like Embody with the Wraith? Aside from some dubious fiction (and Wraith's fiction follows Wraith's rules more poorly than most), where is there ANY indication that you can bring something across with you? Even Risen have to work with a Fetter to create Conduit and that's using massive amounts of power to actually just insert a wraith back into its body. Are you allowing all said wraith's Relics to glom on and materialize in the Skinlands?

    Embody is pretty much about allowing Corpus or the actions...
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  • Ajax
    replied to Creating a wraith deliberately
    How about "Go get a mage...."?...
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  • Ajax
    replied to Creating a wraith deliberately
    And your target has high Willpower. Or else you just made a Drone....
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  • Ajax
    replied to Fields for the Technocracy
    Then just say emotions are biological....
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  • Ajax
    replied to Fields for the Technocracy
    Telepathy is very different from language in methodology. The medium is not the message. Spheres typically allow you to do things that are otherwise impossible or, alternatively, to do possible things in impossible ways or to an impossible degree. Otherwise it would take a Mage with Matter 2 to make toast. Telepathy is doing a fairly normal thing ("listening" or "talking") but doing it by bypassing the normal/Consesus-approved way of doing so. If you could understand someone when they talked to you, then using Mind allows you to do all that without talking or listening....
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  • Ajax
    replied to Fields for the Technocracy
    It depends.... Is Data all about information? (Which seems.... apt.) Then linguistics is just coding. So, Data would do it. In which case Mind has to do something else. But since Mind is psychology, then it's all the mind control, telepathy, etc. Applied psychology and sociology....
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  • Ajax
    replied to Fields for the Technocracy
    Data as written is just Corespondence re-skinned so that the Laws of Contagion and Association deal strictly with modern information as opposed to the typical more esoteric conceptions. If the real difference is that your True Name is now your SSID and the whole thing is about teleporting still, it's not really about Data.

    Since this is about changing the status quo, I'm thinking Data in RAW is pretty much a wash. It's really just a Foci concern. Of course, the Technocracy finds people using modern information. What has that got to do with space manipulation?...
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  • Ajax
    replied to Modern RPG Safety and Wraith20
    So far, this has all been gloriously abstract and philosophical, but, as I said to my high school calculus teacher, "What's it good for?"

    - Have any of the participants played or, even better, run Wraith games? Alternatively, other White Wolf games that deal with similar or equivalent issues? (Like Telgar's example from a Vampire game... Hi Telgar!)
    - Did they address these issues either as part of the game set-up, with the players and/or in game when things were on or above the table?
    - Did the group go into the game thinking that what they were doing was...
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  • I'm not sure where realism comes into play in any of these cases. Surely, it's just as "realistic" that immortal bloodsuckers can keep their existence hidden from a population who are mostly in complete denial and kept utterly distracted as it is that there are such things as immortal bloodsuckers.

    The issue isn't whether it's "realistic", it's whether it's internally consistent. Paradox doesn't do any better keeping people from seeing magic and having that fuel their belief in it, it just blows up the people that do it. That's doesn't generate disbelief,...
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  • Except you are adding to what the OP asked with the implicit assumption that they meant, but didn't say, "and keep the Mage RAW". Which wasn't there, and, in fact, there were several sub-threads discussing what rules to use and possible hacks to make a more Potterverse friendly sort of Mage.

    There is another presumption that Mage doesn't have fights with Dragons/Kaiju/Dragon Kaiju out in the open with mages blasting away, which is pretty much 100% not true even in cannon. There's no problem with that happening in the game using the RAW, but mages are not the ideal combatants,...
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