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  • Ajax
    replied to Nephandi
    And Nephandi aren't secretly the good guys.

    Maybe if you were making the case the Marauders were, within the confines of the games internal teleology you might get some traction. But the Nephandi... No....
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  • Ajax
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    Or it isn't because that's not the narrative. I guess, I mean, it could be if you want it to be. If you have a group of players who enjoy that sort of game.... But to assert and aver that that's the game proper? Balderdash.

    The Spheres are a game mechanic that exists both above and on the table. So it has to be reflected in some way that makes sense to all the various groups across the board. Oh, and from fluff-land, it's a system that seems to be an accurate description in game of the fundamentals of the way reality actually works, so, when whoever sussed it out (I'm sure the...
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  • Ajax
    replied to what is so special about life?
    But, given all of the points above, mark's point still stands... Djinn qua djinn are supposed to be the equal of humanity in pretty much every regard (divinely created and appropriately endowed with the benefits of said creation such as free will, etc.) just of a different essential substrate.

    So, IF (capitalization intentional) you take that premise as written (and it could be skewed all over the place to make djinn into Firstborn Fae or spirits or whatever) then djinn could easily share the same status as humans with regard to being mages, etc. (in which case things get really...
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  • Ajax
    replied to Nephandi
    None. Exactly Zero. Except that is in no way the narrative. It's engaging in a number of logical fallacies to stack up a contra-factual argument that goes against the fundamentals of the faction as described in the book. "Redeeming a Nephandi" is only snake-oil if you re-jigger the argument to making Nephandi-dom something that one doesn't have to be saved from. (Hence, Nephandi apologist/)

    The thing is that the Nephandi aren't really a political faction in the same way the Traditions, Technocracy, or Disparates. So making political arguments about their motivations as if...
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  • Ajax
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    Nephandi.... People who hunt children, do unspeakable things to them (I mean, I COULD speak of it, but it's the sort of thing that would justifiably get someone kicked off the board), skin and eat them while they are still alive, all while filming it and posting it live on social media after having incentivized it properly to make certain their [arents/caretakers would be forced to watch. (Which wouldn't be very hard at all... The first episode of Black Mirror is a good example of those kind of tactics) Oh, and let's film the parents too, and have a sort of reverse PSA that reminds every parent...
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  • Ajax
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    Nephandi apologists are somewhat amazing.

    There are things that, currently, to us, our time and our culture are not okay. Some of them are weird. Killing lots of people in an action-adventure sense is much more okay than, say, showing people having sex. But there are MANY things that are deep, serious taboos: cannibalism, incest, slavery are a few outstanding examples, but there are reasons that those and other topics that are repeatedly called out with trigger warnings in the source books. They are things that, on a gut level, our society and culture think are just plain BAD....
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  • Didn't Helekar's Chantry reveal itself to be some kind of necro-kaiju and get up and run off?
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    Last edited by Ajax; 09-14-2017, 07:18 PM.

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  • Ajax
    replied to M20-Apprentice game?
    Next game we're probably going to do the Awakenings/Apprentice Orphan thing, with a built reason to have a bunch of Awakenings happen nearly simultaneously/set up a closed sandbox for the game setting/keep the Factions away so they have time to realize their Orphan-ness.

    I'm still struggling with the way in which to set up the acquisition of Instruments and the development of Practices. I mean, SURE, the character could be a Hermetic Harry Potter wannabe who mainlains the Lesser Key of Solomon on the way to a High Ritual Praxis, but where is the fun in that? Coming up with some...
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  • Ajax
    replied to M20-Apprentice game?
    I'd just take out the Mentors altogether and have the new minted mages be Orphans creating their own Foci from the ground up. It may get a little wonky around the Practices, but making sense of their magic would be the same as making sense out of their Instruments. (Oh and if Avatars are a thing, they would definitely be chiming in in one way or another).

    In some ways, it might be the purest possible form of a Mage game that centers on the core conceits of Mage-style magic....
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  • Ajax
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    The real trick is going to be how to develop the Focus. Particularly if the character is an Orphan. And, in many cases, per canon descriptions of Awakenings, most mages start off as Orphans (with teams of "recruiters" from the Factions and Sects hunting down the new meat... Canon is that trying to "train up" an Awakened mage is hit and miss and more miss than hit)

    If the character is an Orphan for any length of time, they are going to be coming up with their Practice and Instruments on their own. So, a lot of the time "You need a Mentor for that..."...
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  • This seems like one of those arguments where people get to selectively choose what sources they want to use and discard what they want.

    The Ars Magica books I'm referencing aren't current. They are the materials from before Vampire got spawned, back when Mark Rein dot Hagen was in charge and they are the materials which obviously are the fundamentals for the Order of Hermes. As witnessed, by.... Jesus, EVERY-FUCKING-THING about the Order of Hermes. Everything about the fundamentals of the Order was sucked up from those materials. So, toss that what Tremere did in those books along...
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    Last edited by Ajax; 09-01-2017, 12:50 PM. Reason: To add Caveat

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  • Ajax
    replied to Fields for the Technocracy
    I think/interpolate that the difference between Data and Mind might be along the linds of Data= Information (which can be in books, on computers, in people's heads) and Mind = Psychology/Sociology/Anthropology typically in a very Applied manner....
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  • Ajax
    replied to Fields for the Technocracy
    Are the names adjusted into adjectival forms when combined?

    Time Systems or Temporal Systems?
    Space Data or Spatial Analytics?
    Void(Dimension?) Utility or Dimensional Utility?...
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  • Ajax
    replied to Fields for the Technocracy
    Why not call Void, "Dimension"? So, Primal Energy would be some kind of manipulation of quantum substrate. The rest seems like an easy fit. Space, Time and Dimension don't sound like a bad set....
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  • Or, conversely, no avatar at all. Did you mean a rather weak Font?...
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  • Well, there are Paths that allow for the creation of magical doo-dads. If the Verditus tests are about what doo-dads you can create, then they might be more interested in the doo-dad than the dude that made the doo-dad.

    The distinction I'm trying to draw is that the materials we read are largely the "Way the Hermetics See Themselves". After spending time as both an anthropologist and a lawyer and an archaeologist, I know that for pretty much any aspect of any human culture we know about, "The Way People See Themselves" is only tangentially related to "What...
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  • And my stack of books say that Tremere invented Certamen which wasn't a lowly sorcerer thing (as you said, that distinction doesn't have ANY meaning in either the Ars Magica or DA Mage systems, well except for the poor Mercere), Tytalus was only really good at it because he was bat-shit crazy and took insane chances (which is what the Tylali were as a House until after the Tremere defection and them taking over some of the political ground and attitudes of their ersatz brother House).

    That makes Tremere one of the Founders of the Order in pride of place next to Bonisagus, Trianoma...
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  • Have you ever run a Hermetic testing for new rank? If so, how did you set it up? Who did it? What were the requirements? What was the politics around it (as in, was is okay for members of others to be involved? To intervene?)?

    Is ANYONE going to call a Flambeau with 5 ranks in laying out hellfire and damnation and call him "lowly" and expect not to get roasted? Flambeau aren't really noted for calm temperment and lots of self-restraint. Especially when, as you point out, Flambeau is big and powerful and acts their in house military for the most part. Is it worth...
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  • You mean, "As long as the rules as they written down are concerned.... " But the black letter law may be full of brightline rules that get ignored whenever they are considered too restrictive or irrelevant or obstructionist to the goals of the organization, particularly one that is broken down into several sub-parts with different methodologies and missions.

    Could the Bonisagus call the Quaesitori in on the Flambeau and Ex Misc. for playing fast and loose with rules on who gets to use what title? Sure. Are they willing to expend the political capital and create the...
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  • Since the point of the post was that flexibility was not being tested because the Flambeau doesn't CARE so long as there is fire-casting ability, the Verditus doesn't CARE so long as a magicked item is the result, and so on. Allowing Sorcerers access to higher ranks because they pass the "minimums". So, unless someone is going to tattle to the Quaesitors (I'm looking at YOU Bonisagus mageling), some Houses might have sorcerers in higher positions than the carte blanche ruling would have it be. Seriously, the Flambeau want to have to personnel who can burn shit down. If that means...
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