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  • Pleiades
    replied to 2nd/3rd gens meths/elders?
    assuming his identity is known, then yes,
    becoming tragic pray or not depends on his surroundings and how he handles them,

    some will want to diablerize him,
    some will want to use him to advance their agenda,
    some will try to keep his identity secret or make him disappear to prevent certain social structures to break down,
    some will seek him or capture him in hopes to get answers from him,

    and some might even fall pray to him,
    because, while a low gen neonate isn't very powerful, they are still more resistant or downright immune to dominate...
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  • Pleiades
    replied to Defeating a Lasombra 1v1?
    in my experience, Presence is the most effective discipline against combat lasombras,
    mostly presence 2 and 5, maybe 3 as well

    note that presence is defunct in v20, so it depends if your game fixed it or not

    dominate works well too, however it depends on how you handle dominate with obtenebration 5,
    we don't know if eye contact is possible

    if none of those work, fire is the way to go,
    favor thaumaturgical fire or balefire etc if you have access to them

    otherwise, torches etc will do the job, but are more risky since they can...
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  • Pleiades
    replied to [V5] Montreal
    it'd be nice if the devs would at least tell us what they're planning for the sabbat, good or bad,
    so we can stop holding our breaths and decide if we should be hype or just forget about the sabbat

    you know, I'd actually be fine with 1st ed sabbat at this point,
    IF it's really 1st ed sabbat,
    cause right now, it doesn't even feel like 1st ed sabbat,
    cause, at least 1st ed sabbat had the lasombra/Tzimisce overlords, they had territories that others would consider as no-go zones etc,
    now they just feel like roaming murderhobos,
    maybe they're closer...
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  • Pleiades
    replied to [V5] Montreal
    which isn't much, compared to the old sabbat, and compared to the new camarilla,
    alot of the sect's substance was removed,
    people have been asking for more depth for the sect, not for less

    going from the Vatican to roaming jyhadists is a huge downgrade even by 1st ed standards,
    then saying "oh, but don't worry, they're still veery scaaary, I swear" isn't much of a consolation, quite the opposite




    even if, on top of going back to being villains, they get downgraded from huge world spanning/extra dimensional spanning organization...
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  • Pleiades
    replied to [V5] Montreal
    you're missing the point,

    sabbat don't go to montreal for the Jyhad,
    they either go there to savor unlife, for self development or for pilgrimage

    the city was unique,
    it wasn't ruled by the Lasombra-Tzimisce hegemony,
    it wasn't in constant struggle,
    it wasn't under Mexico's influence,
    Cardinal strathcona, the one who took Montreal and re-build it, was a former Camarilla Ventrue Prince who embraced the sabbat ideology and kept it to heart to the final nights

    the biggest threat to the sabbat in montreal wasn't the camarilla, or...
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  • Pleiades
    replied to [V5] Montreal
    errr...good point

    ...

    look, the sabbat being scaaary was never their appeal...except for 1st ed fanatics

    but here's the thing,
    the v5 sabbat isn't scary, it's hilariously ridiculous, the sabbat is a laughing stock

    if what they wanted was 1st ed sabbat, they botched it bad...
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  • Pleiades
    replied to [V5] Montreal
    and what next? the technos are back to being evil fascists who only want to clone your family and kill the original?
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  • Pleiades
    replied to [V5] Montreal
    time to play Kult...
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  • what kind of tangent is that?

    if you want a different opinion on Mexico,
    I feel giving it to the Cam was a waste,
    they should've put the nahualli instead, we would've had a 3rd established sect ruled by native american deities

    plus, it works so well with the lore,
    with the ancients waking up, Mictlantecuhtli waking up in mexico would've been excellent timing

    the nahualli were one of the scariest (if not the scariest) vampire sect, and one of the best plot devices introduced in Revised,
    it's a waste that v5 ignored them compl...
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  • I'd say the WoD isn't necessarily worse than the real world,
    it's just that areas that are normally safe in the real world aren't spared in the WoD

    so, areas like Mexico or Brazil don't feel very different in real life and WoD,

    However, WoD Montreal and Paris are much different from their real life equivalent...
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  • the embrace

    I wouldn't remove the embrace completely, but I'd make it harder or more restricted (e.g, the subject of embrace must be a virgin or something like that)

    in vtm, the easy embrace, and vampire overpopulation are an important factor in vampires being destructive, and thus the necessity of having vampires societies (sects) to regulate it

    there's a tradition that dictates that the eldest (or, in the case of the camarilla, the Prince) must give permission for embrace on top of clan specific traditions when selecting embraces worthy of the clan's name...
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    Last edited by Pleiades; 07-27-2019, 07:47 AM.

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  • Pleiades
    replied to You Know What I Hate MK I
    losing your hair in your 20s

    and those people preventing you from having nice hairstyles in your teens (you know, before you start losing your hair?)
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  • happens in real life conversations too
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