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[Ana Mizuki]

Very much the point of the story, garou NEED to fix things to have even a sliver of a chance to do some good....

[Ana Mizuki]

The general feeling I've gotten from all the threads discussing this, people want Gaian Garou to be BSDs level horrible. Or, at least how I've noticed the arguments go, less Protectors of the Earth and more ravening monsters like in the myths....

[Ana Mizuki]

I am sure an Euthanos mage would kill a vampire for insulting the cycle of life. Changelings, depending on the banality rules, might avoid them due to their high banality. If the ST is kinder with banality rules, they'd just kill them.

As for garou eating humans, it is forbidden in their laws VERY heavily. To eat human means you are literally controlled by the wyrm, a sick ronin or a BSD....

[Ana Mizuki]

Do you have a need to have garou and kindred/cainites ally in your games? Or is this just you wanting unity?

As for my point, it isn't about garou hating vampires, VtM is just a different beast from WtA....

[Ana Mizuki]

I mean, this is very common thing here. A vampire fan comes in here saying WtA should be more like VtM, the garou more monstrous and so on. Not realising that the games have different themes....

[Ana Mizuki]

Explanation why it happens. Garou are creatures of life and vampires are creatures of death. That doesn't mean their fans should hate each other, most of us here play multiple WoD games and for those that don't like WtA the others are still great.

Also, Carol?...

[Ana Mizuki]

Because it is a whole other cosmology in nWoD, compared to oWoD. As for human polluting more, yeah it is a theme in WtA. Vampires though are akin to ticks on humanity that spread disease and make things worse in general....

[Ana Mizuki]

Because vampires are inherently damaging to the Earth and are parasitic predators using humans and spreading a very real corruption around. This is no racism issue, vampires legit DO harm to the people around them and accidentally (or not in some VERY fringe cases) spread the taint of the Wyrm. Garou are creatures of Life and vampires, being undead, are an anti.thesisto that.

Most garou don't even see the vampires as people, just another version of a spirit possessed human....

[Ana Mizuki]

I think Changing Ways was the capstone, as much as it was a mess.