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  • Yet in Changing Ways, this was treated as an acceptable practice by some septs.

    ....yeah....
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  • Absolutely, I just threw those as examples of using IRL modern issues in WtA terms without making it into a huge mess.

    One thing I'd really love to see, inspired by Children of Gaia revised, is the divide of Children of Gaia to ennuied cliaths and burned out elders....
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  • At the end of the day, the biggest problem with the Changing Ways additions and the general nuWW mess was that it had no true meat to it. I mean, yeah, Furies and Talons kidnap homids for breeding, but not only is it very out of their traditions, but it also has no depth to it. Shock is like a jump scare, it is more a reaction than a deeper feeling of dread.


    WtA certainly had traditional werewolf horror in it, but mostly its horror comes from the hopeless feeling of not being able to DO anything to fix the world now. Thus a lot of it is focused on the horror of urban decay,...
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  • I mean, there were the blog posts that let us discuss stuff like this. For me, the lupus "they can learn human languages" and the PureBreed clarification both were added. If it was rushed, there was no way they could have done the blog....
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  • Yeah, I fully believe that garou would not be against homosexual relationships in general, but so openly among each other and with so little explanation to why. It also, in my opinion, is written in a very childish tone. Aside from the law actually being very sensible given the need for kinfolk, the danger of metis and garou being isolated not being good. The ahroun chapter in Book of Auspices does detail some homosexual behaviour among two ahroun, but even then it was clearly more a battlefield stress relief thing than anything else.



    I get the feeling that the changes...
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  • To be fair, the book itself DID start it. People just then ran with the book's (really confusing) mentality about the Furies and applied their own dislike of them onto it.


    Generally, though, the mentality that social issues and such do not belong in WtA makes me ponder on the games people play of it? WtA is very verstaile, but it is very open about its dislike of megacorps, racism, colonialism and abuse of natural resources....
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  • To some, it very much is even to mention it or make it a big plot point like in WtA. Some see political correctness as discussing anything that puts blame on western people.

    As for the Changing Ways LTGBA+ issue, it was not PC. Heck, I'd say the way the metis section discusses homosexuality among the garou is more insulting than anything. It isn't "Garou of this tribe see homosexuality between two garou as this" it was "Hey look! They gay! Gay Gay GAY!" which really bothered me when reading it....
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  • Basically, the revised BSDs are all about freeing the Wyrm and spreading corruption. They also hold very close ties to the White Howlers and picts.

    In 20th, BSDs are no longer such an unified force and some have chosen to live like the war is won, essentially becoming BSD versions of the Bone Gnawer rabble. There is also zero ties to Howlers as the BSDs have moved past them AGES ago. They now focus on personal projects and have looser ties even in packs....
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  • Changing Ways is not a good book, because it takes the 20th edition being more aware of social issues and forgets them. There is an illogical rape-rumour about two tribes, wendigo never had metis before white people, they took the term from Forsaken about packs etc.

    But every other 20th edition book? Absolutely great. Umbra has a much more robust look into the spirit world, Wyrm has AMAZING amount of info plus BSDs that are very different from revised. Changing Breeds has so much info, Shattered Dreams both has some hard hitting looks into Australian colonization and just fun time...
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