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  • See, that would mean the ST was paying attention and was planning. Which would not need Elysium lifting....
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  • What makes this so awesome to me, is that the guy did everything by the book, openly. At any point, the ST could have stepped in, but they didn't.

    Hence why Lift the Elysium in a sense is justified, if the ST allows you to go that far, you do deserve to flip it....
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  • Well, regardless, it is pretty bad. I haven't checked the Wendigo section well, but hopefully they got out luckier. Stargazer section is kinda ugh, though....
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  • Might be, but that is then wasting valuable page space for a tribe made even worse. And that is pretty bad, considering they could have taken the time to change the tribe to be easier to play.

    CeltSPZ - Yeah, it is true, sadly. I listed the jobs in this thread and they are rather...random....
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  • What really bothers me, still, is the treatment Red Talons got in the book. Because the tribe is almost completely seen as unplayable, psychopaths or just useless. So here was the writers' chance to change that and make the tribe more playable and fun for a wider audience.

    Instead, they took every single thing that was positive about the tribe and threw it in the bin. Worse, they literally had Red Talons willingly accept a torture focused camp that was somewhat of a secret society, openly start creating kill squads even in Africa where they actually have a better relationship with...
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  • With Erebus, if you end up there you usually are not healthy in mind or soul. But more important than that, as much as I'm glad my character lived through it, he deserved every agg level he was given. I heard a phrase used once about portraying redemption to characters who have done wrong. What of the voice of their victims? Those they hurt and damaged and killed? Are they going to be silenced?


    To me, Erebus is that voice. The retribution for all the harm they did and lives they took needlesly.

    These are not good or nice people, they have hurt others willingly....
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  • This is almost exactly how my character's erebus trip went, nice! (Read it here, please note it was not the most uptightly played of games ^^'').

    So yes, this is good Revised era writing of the healing of Erebus....
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  • I think the Red Talon section is the worst. Putting aside the constant concept of dominance, it is said they have recovered their numbers and then some thanks to wolf preservation and the short maturation time of wolves vs humans. And now they are on the warpath, the once secret Winter Packs (which the tribebook noted there being only -one- in existence at that point) are now being formed around the world. And camps like Whelp's Compromise are now pushed to the edges. Also, the potentially Wyrm Tainted camp of Dying Cubs? They got to merge with the Pro-Impegrium Camp.

    There is a lot...
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  • Well, this is a double post, but I gotta say this; for all the Furies accepting males and other tries to be more accepting, they actually kept in a lot of the old things that could have used changing. Fenrir did this weird rewind back to 2nd ed with their views on race, Red Talon section almost -screams- to use the words alpha and omega, and so on.
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  • As someone who plays a character who went for an Erebus dip, you cannot redeem until you forgive yourself. Aka, it is more akin to the purgatory than hell.

    11twiggings - I agree that garou are effed up, but I think at times in a solely WtA game bringing it up does not really do any good. The best example of garou arrogance and pride I actually got from playing in a low-level crossover game. There, when surrounded by unseelie fae, former Faith 5 hunter and a sorceress, the two garou and how they acted contrasted heavily with their non-ragey teammates. Impulsive, biased, inhuman and...
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  • Apologies, I did not mean to offend you....
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  • Thing is, Black Furies are a good example of a tribe united by a concept that has so many different shades they often end up arguing with one another about it. And they are, despite their femine focus, one of the more traditional tribes. For as many Furies who would be open to a trans woman, as many would reject them. For being spies, for perceived affront to Gaia or even out of fear of men in a place they consider safe. Though, the idea of switching gender is very respected spiritually, so a lot of Elders would still be open minded about it.


    But, respecting trans person outright...
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  • So, to the jobs, the reason why I generally dislike them is how random they feel and how they feel on a garou.

    Here are the suggested jobs by Auspice, copied from the book. Ignoring the Walkers because having jobs is expected of them.

    Ragabash: " They take the stage as comediennes, to the streets as
    investigative journalists, and to the pages of the newspapers
    with editorial cartoons.", " short-order cooks, janitors, reality show performers, or
    garbage collectors." , " Children of Gaia Ragabash often work as
    moderators
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    Last edited by Ana Mizuki; 03-05-2017, 08:59 PM.

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  • Ana Mizuki
    replied to The life of a Lupus
    Considering I can eat a tartar steak with little problem, it will stay in the stomach just fine....
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  • Ana Mizuki
    replied to The life of a Lupus
    http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/m...ng-lupus-metis This thread has good discussion on this.
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  • Honestly, at times I feel sorry for the writers because of stuff like this. For some reason, WtA attracts people who love doing research on animals, and so stuff like the coywolves of America and Chernobyl's wolf population tend to pop up in discussion.

    Then again, I think it keeps the writing on point, too....
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  • Here, use these if you want:


    -Tribes:

    NineTails
    Ninetails can proudly state they are the original kitsune, they are the first of the fox shifters. That has made them consider themselves to be the purest and most rightful kitsune. Unlike the other 'leading' tribes, Ninetails aren't about dominating other foxes, but they often have the airs of superiority.
    Nitty Gritty: Essentially the core kitsune. Nothing changes execpt the 'kitsune' gifts become their gifts.

    Renarde
    While Ninetails are the original kitsune, the Renarde are the
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  • And now I want to pick tribes for the Crystal Gems and co. XD

    Anyway, Steven is a good example of a Child of Gaia with the healing mentality. Fighting is not bad, but outright slaughter is. Plus Pearl is a great older garou/metis inspiration, given her role vs how she acts.

    For the monsters and rehab, it might not be as simple in WtA. I mean, the reason Bismuth (a radical thinking Gem with anger issues) was bubbled was because she was hurt and keeping her around in her state would not have been helpful for anyone, least of all herself. Garou can't 'bubble' their foes,...
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  • For tribes, as seen above, I would focus on more the internal conflict and how the tribe deals with it to outsiders. These aren't really rewrites as much as reactions to the setting as it stands.

    I haven't written these in full yet, but for Red Talons and Stargazers, the focus would be realising they leaned too close. I don't feel the same about Glass Walkers, because GWs have always had the edge of a hunter and predator in their humanity. They still are wolves in the city. But Gazers, not as much. Ironically, by seeking balance they have imbalanced themselves by focusing too much...
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  • It being basically a "Stand up and fight, despairing won't get you anywhere" message....
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