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  • Here are some;

    https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net...20160805034233

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    I have to admit I see no issue with that art piece. Yeah,...
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  • Plus, the GURSP book is 1st ed based. Silver Fang albinos and all.
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  • I mean, where other artists add armour details, Liefeld adds pouches.

    Though this is a good segway to why sexuality done badly does not help in WtA's 'Furry Captain Planet' reputation. Like the Dark Age of comics, it is added to be more 'mature' and what is added are punk and bondage aestetics almost without fail to the bad guys. Because for some reason, punk and bondage are visual language for 'bad guy'.

    I mean, with Tzimisce you can sort of justify it with Hellraiser and addiction to sensation. But on BSDs (and on one artists pieces randomly) it kinda can end up looking...
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  • Just from a perspective of someone who does try to draw some decent werewolves, Spencer's art is stylized more than it is badly drawn. I mean, it isn't for everyone, and I am glad that WtA has space for both calm art and that. Liefeld, on the other hand, hasn't built up his mental library to stylize effectively....
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  • Just to lighten the topic up a bit, one of my 'favourite' ways to combat the mentality of childishness has always been the inclusion of ~SEXUALITY~ to the Wyrm's minions.

    Which, yes, works fine if you have group that is mature enough to understand it and writers who can make it work.

    Pity that it often ended up being the artist's chance to insert fetish gear into their art.
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  • There aren't many garou NPCs with dogs, though. Bone Gnawers revised outright says that Gnawers HATE being compared to dogs and do not breed with them. Though it is pointed out that there are wolfdogs among the garou.

    But that is honestly aside from my point. Garou Nation possibly wouldn't support having dogs as pets, not only given what they imply, but also as dogs stand for capturing and molding nature to ones use in horrible ways. Not to mention, owning dogs is saying to the lupus population that as far as the owner considers things, wolves can be made into mutants and they consider...
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  • But that is what dogs -are- to regular wolves. That's the thing, they aren't -just- animals, unless the garou is willing to say to a lupus packmate that their mother was 'just an animal'. Even if the lupus is smarter than their kin family, they still are their family they grew up with.

    That's what makes the whole thing so interesting to me. Because there is this divide between how a human or a Glass Walker might see dogs. Versus more in-tune with their wolf garou....
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  • And that complex mind that still understands the wolves and dogs, doesn't feel wrong about -owning- something that you can speak to and acts like an eternally childlike wolf?...
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  • The bolded part is my point, garou are also animals. They, no matter how distant their wolf heritage, all understand and can communicate with normal wolves. Imagine being able to do that, and then own a dog. Which is uncanny valley to wolves. Garou are not regular humans, they cannot just turn off their understanding of wolf signals.

    Hence why it would be like owning a chimpanzee, you are with something that is like you but not quite....
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  • Read up on keeping chimpanzees as pets,then, it is often..not as simple as it seems. There is a reason why the lady, whose chimpanzee tore her friend's face off, saw it as her son. As in, they are similar enough that people in a non-zoo enviroment end up treating them as eternal children. Only these kids have sexual urges and if you treat them human enough, yeahh....
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  • This would akin to having chimpanzee as a pet. So, for some it might be ok, for others, it is too close to a wolf....
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  • Pretty much that, yeah. More for metis and lupus, given they grew with more reliance to those signals....
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  • To me, the more a homid gets in-tune with their wolf self, the worse they see dogs. Because, again, it is -sorta- wolf. But not quite. They even speak sorta the same signal language as wolves....
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  • Considering I have seen garou PCs with pet dogs, I don't think dogs are considered to be that bad by most urban homids. After all, a dog spirit is still a respectable spirit of the city and suburbia. Plus, let's be honest, if we look at the genetic make-up of the American wolves... they are wolfdogs more than European ones are (Black coats).

    However, among non-homids and some tribes, dogs might as well be insults. For non-homids, let's face it, it is creepy as it is keeping a mentally disabled eternally immature and physically deformed wolf as an owned being. Dog as a spirit might...
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  • See, this is how I see WtA as well. That is the massive conflict the garou are faced with, the easy way or the long term way. Though, I think cleansing the woman's house from the umbra might have also helped.

    I do think the books are aware of the multi-faceted issues as well. The aformentioned revised Wendigo tribebook has the tone of utter anger that is justified. But if you read through the lines, the anger is holding them back from healing. Nunavut is either great, or kinfolk submitting to white culture. Red Talons book hints that for all their Rage, the Red Talons have conciously...
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  • Yeah, I can totally see that happening. Especially in the 90s.

    I think the biggest issue with Captain Planet was that it really didn't let the kids understand the actual conflict at hand. I heard one of the reasons was that the writers didn't want the kids whose parents worked in factories to hate their parents. But I think that is the price of doing a show about such matters. Nevermind Captain Planet himself. The cartoons I watched were far less blatant, Alfred J. Duck dealt with apartheid, acid rain, infectious diseases and nazism. Bamboo bears was mostly focused on animals, but...
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  • The crime of Captain Planet and protecting nature

    One of the parts in WtA that I love a lot is the focus on taking care of the environment and how modern society has hurt and still hurts it. Though, it is not blind to the fact that mindless destruction of factories and human hate aren't bad in themselves.

    So, you can imagine my confusion when one of the biggest complaints against WtA is the focus on nature and protecting it. I've seen multiple online games tote that they aren't 'Captain Planet with furries'.

    Now, I get that if things get a bit too simple, the game loses its fangs and purpose. I am guessing my own lack...
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  • With the Nagah, you do have the issue of them being cold blooded snakes against warmblooded wolves. As someone pointed out, pretty silly set up by Gaia....
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  • Liking this a lot.

    I think the Seventh Generation was heavily miscast. I like that it was actually made because child trafficking IS a problem, but it was in the wrong game and wrongly written.


    From what I've read through the older novellas and from the 1st ed, I think the use of the city was meant to give the chance for young werewolves to escape the routine of their Septs. Cities being very punk and gritty enough to apparently allow a crinos brawl.

    As for Alby, Mari and Evan, Evan came around only duringg the 2nd ed (intro comic). Alby was supposed...
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  • I'd say it depends on what your focus will be;

    Kinfolk 20th, if you want to focus on the mundane experiences between garou and their kinfolk.

    Umbra 20th, if your focus is on spiritual things in general. Umbra is great, because it makes the spirits ACTUAL characters and not just plot devices.

    Rage Across the World, if you want to focus on non-American settings or if you want a general look on the World in WtA.

    Wyrm 20th, if you want to dig deeper into the Wyrm-lore and turn BSDs from pictish madmen into something akin to the Boltons for GoT....
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