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[Ana Mizuki]

It should, and on metis as well.

It'll be an interesting read, especially as its been in production for a good while now....

[Ana Mizuki]

At least the elder council lives there and depending on the sept area, there can be cabins or rowhouses or trailers in the bawn. Some Glass Walkers live near their sept, since space in the city is at premium. But for rural septs, they usually have -some- living spaces.

[Ana Mizuki]

I think the image would be more that werewolves should not be bound by one morality and they should infect people and eat them freely, depending on their personal morality.

Forsaken is indeed the better game for that, of course....

[Ana Mizuki]

I do somewhat understand the want for it. A common complaint with WtA from general werewolf fiction fans has been that they don't really resemble werewolves. There is no horror of becoming a monster, the focus isn't on dealing with the Change but instead on saving the enviroment. Given how many times -that- has been kryptonite to people, focus change was needed. Now it would be monstrous werewolves attacking and eating(?) humans, maybe even having their condition transferred through a bite. Making them more like -actual- werewolves.

Mind, I don't think this is smart. Garou aren't...

[Ana Mizuki]

Currs were born when I read so many critiques of the Garou Nation and thought "Why doesn't the SETTING address these?". Hence, the Currs were born as my take on how some garou would take to the Nation.

Even if it messes up with the 'garou are rare' detail, I do agree. I think having ronin serve as the result of not fitting in or just never being found is interesting. Especially once you look outside homids. Lupus ronin who try to still live as wolves, lupus ronin who go all Romasanta and start trying to use humans for their own goals. Or lupus ronin who join those seeking...

[Ana Mizuki]

I've actually written a similar group, the Currs: http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/m...432#post917432...

[Ana Mizuki]

They have been pushing the Garou vs Humans angle pretty hard, so there is a chance that munching on the long pig will become much more common....

[Ana Mizuki]

Yeah, the older DA material is one of the better stuff from WoD. Enough that I'd use them in non-WoD games as well, since the tone is focused on factual representation and not over the top takes on the setting like later DA books....

[Ana Mizuki]

In terms of pure use of content, Ashen Knight for me. A book about medieval times that doesn't treat the setting as ignorance land and discusses the role of knights in the human society and adds vampire content on top of it.

[Ana Mizuki]

Punk is also the rage of the youth, and well, the rage has changed form. This is one of the reasons why I think Bone Gnawers as a tribe would change a lot, because the broke college graduate who cannot afford healthcare and has to scrape by is going to be the new majority. Given GWs represent the corporations and such, rejection and taking of rat as a symbol might happen.

I think revisited still dealt with a lot of that stuff, it just wasn't as in your face as before. Hilariously enough, I think Children of Gaia revised basically was an unintentional study in ennui among those trying...

[Ana Mizuki]

Boiling oil+fire= Fire, sadly....

[Ana Mizuki]

For the theme, that was the story to me by multiple media since I was a teen. The world is effed up, there is no true hope. Any victory you have will be nullified. Great then, not as much these days. It is all good to say that defeat is inevitable, but that then becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. If there is no true will for change, change won't happen. To me, clawing a way to victory, a hard and painful road, is more fitting. Because hope doesn't mean there isn't darkness....

[Ana Mizuki]

Yeah, I meant the character. Still, not every Silver Fang is going to throw boiling oil over a metis with a minor deformity to make them 'fittingly' ugly. Not every Lord sees their kinfolk as tools. The person doing it must have the want to go that far before they got the chance to do it with 'permission'....

[Ana Mizuki]

I do think garou do torture for the sake of torture at parts. But it is the same way as with people, someone is a jackass and gets an ego boost over beating those weaker than them. Some Shadow Lord abuse their kinfolk. Fianna, Fangs and Wendigo have an unspoken permission to treat their metis roughly. But I think you need to -actually- be the kind of person who would do it to actually do it....

[Ana Mizuki]

Shadow Lords' vampire neighbours were the Tzimisce, to show where they got their view of vampires from. So they may do short time deals, but they will ALWAYS want to make sure the leech is dead in the end....

[Ana Mizuki]

As noted above, garou do not eat humans. It is literally against their laws to eat them, to establish how serious they are about it. Those who do are either mad, mad and seeking forbidden knowledge or whine about not being included in the discussion of laws (when they wouldn't have bothered to come to begin with). Essentially, outliers.

As for their crimes, I'm getting tired of saying this but here goes; Impegrium and the War of Rage happened so long ago that the garou then -barely- resemble their modern counterparts. Modern garou have mostly owned up to these crimes and are trying...

[Ana Mizuki]

Here's a question, -why- is enviromentalism a bad thing to focus on? Even if it seems trite, it doesn't mean it is not a huge issue even in our world. Species die, or resources are wasted on species that could not adapt. Nature can adapt, sure, but that doesn't mean worry over it and helping is not important.

Captain Planet stuff or not, I like that WtA goes out and says that we should be responsible and care about things. Not just the enviroment, but those hurt by corruption is social services, the police, the corporations and so on. After all, huge part of the fight against Wyrm...

[Ana Mizuki]

For me, the Darkness has always been how the world is often at odds with itself and how the choices we make are often very hard. It is easy to be a monster, stealing glamour or blood, thinking that humanity is either misguided or beneath you.

And all you leave behind is blood and death, even if you try to be kind.

Much harder is to examine your own impulses and morality and witness your own flaws or the flaws of those that surround you. Worse is realising that your foes and you are not so different and even that your foes are doing something -better- than you. This is...

[Ana Mizuki]

Personally, too much grimdark and focus on making things look worse than in real life can take away from the horror, at least to me. Darkness needs light, otherwise, it's just dark.

And often they don't hold a candle to horrors of the organizations like PETA or Autism Speaks. After all, corrupt or apathetic people are one thing, but people who honestly preach for animal rights while stealing and then euthanizing others' pets is horrid to me. Nevermind the other organization which paints autistic people as barely human, focusing on the parents' 'burden'.

These might sound...

[Ana Mizuki]

But then there are things like incorrect information about wolf behaviour/state of some natural places. And on the other hand, things like there being more woods and bigger city/wood separation.

That stuff where IRL and WoD differ visibly....