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  • The different game lines have different cosmologies and so the answer may vary.

    That said, in at least some cosmologies the Christian version of Satan exists and so it's hard to say that anything is more dangerous than him.
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  • Yeah, not only don't they rule everything, but also their resources are limited. If you have contacts in government agencies you need to be careful not to abuse them because that abuse can become a Masquerade risk in and of itself. If you go to the well too often, it is going to run out of water. I always imagined vampires as being more locally focused, maybe because they are old fashioned and territorial, so then to exert major influence over national agencies you would need to find vampires who are pretty high up the totem pole. So no vampire is going to want to use those sorts of resources...
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  • If the federal government starts to investigate you then it is certainly possible that some big shots in the Camarilla can kill the investigation, but by that point you're going to be in pretty deep trouble with the Camarilla elders if not mortal law enforcement. So keeping a low profile (which probably means no mundane job) should still be a priority.
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  • Blood bond domitor is the best vampiric career. Almost all other jobs are going to require you to come in during the daytime at some point or will create suspicious events when you can't make it to work. Plus jobs are associated with all sorts paperwork, taxes, and so on. How easy can you keep a job if you can never go to a bank, never go by a DMV, etc.

    Maybe the best jobs could be illegal ones - drug dealer or prostitute. Maybe free lance jobs that pay cash where you can set your own hours.

    Self employment is key, because otherwise your boss is going to demand that...
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  • There is also the possibility that many Cappadocians would make deals with members of other Clans in exchange for help here or there. You don't want your Ventrue buddy dominating peasants for you every night, you don't want to be that reliant on anybody, but he could dominate a person or two to put you into a position of advantage or to clean up one of your messes in exchange for some Necromantic magic or some Auspex based spying on his behalf....
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  • Is that supposed to be indicative of the new atmosphere for the WoD or is it just a sort of bullying ST style?...
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  • Protean 5: Shape of the Swarm

    The vampire can transform itself into a swarm of many small creatures as described on page 391 of V20. Doing this requires as many blood points as the difference in health levels between the swarm and the vampire, with a minimum of one. So taking the form of a swarm of bats would require 2 BP while becoming a swarm of flying bugs would be 1 BP and a pack of dogs would be 8 BP. Assuming this form takes three turns, though this time can be reduced by 1 turn per additional BP spent.

    In this form, the vampire has all of the advantages and disadvantages...
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  • Sergeant Brother
    replied to How do vampire fly?
    The blood wouldn't be pushed out of the vampire's body because the pressure in the surrounding water is at least as high as the pressure inside the vampire. So I would house rule that.

    Personally, I think that vampires don't live deep in the ocean because few have the skills to survive there. Honestly, how many would even want to live 1000 m under the water? There is basically nothing down there.
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  • Here is a link to a thread I made last year about alternative Vicissitude powers based on Revenant families. They might offer some inspiration.

    http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/m...evenant-family

    I also have this thread which is about Vicissitude as paths.

    http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/m...itude-as-paths
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  • Sergeant Brother
    replied to How do vampire fly?
    Human bodies don't really compress that much. The reason you can crush a human body is because some parts are under pressure and some are not. For example, Myth Buster's meat man had high pressure surrounding the body but low pressure on the head, which is why the body got squished into the helmet. If there is pressure all over the body, then it is much harder to crush. For example, there have been humans who have dived down below 1000 feet and survived. The main problem with humans going down to extreme depths have to do with human physiology and how gases dissolve in the bloodstream. For a vampire...
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  • Ask your Tremere master what to do, of course....
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  • When I think of what a prince wants I think of the Roose Bolton quote from A Song of Ice and Fire: "A peaceful land. A quiet people."

    I think that is generally true. Of course, like Roose Bolton, princes are evil bastards and they don't care if people suffer or die, but just like a feudal lord, their power and prestige is in part based on how tranquil their domain is. So the degree to which killing humans causes trouble is the degree to which the prince cares. Kill some law abiding middle class citizen and then the price might care, that makes waves in the mortal community....
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  • I don't think it would necessarily be the prince who has bodies disposed of. Really, you don't always want the prince knowing who you've been killing. Far better that there is a vampire who specializes in body disposal and does so for a price. Maybe a monetary amount or just an exchange of favors.

    Maybe a Gangrel with a pig farm.

    Well, that is the theory, in practice it will be a bit different. The prince is going to know who the body disposal experts are and he is going to lean on them for information. They don't have to let the prince know about every body they dispose...
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  • How likely is a corpse showing no signs of foul play going to get an autopsy? I'm not sure, but most bodies don't get one.
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  • It seems like facing a blood bound herd would work for them just like any vampire. Give the mortal a drop, take a point.
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  • Yeah, that is a good point. Most of the people that vampires kill will just disappear. Plus if there is more poverty and corruption in the WoD, less trust of police, more shoddy investigations, more people who aren't really missed when they die - there could be a much higher murder rate with official murder rates being no higher.
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  • The USA has a murder rate of around 4.8 per 100,000 people. Western European countries have a murder rate of about 1 per 100,000 people.

    The books tell us that there are about 1 Vampire per 100,000 people. So if the average vampire kills (or indirectly causes a murder) of 1 person per year, then the US murder rate increases to 5.8 per year and the European murder rate to 2 per year.

    This is a 21% increase in the USA and a 100% increase in Europe. There are some countries (like Honduras) where the vampires wouldn't even make a dent (assuming they only kill 1 per year...
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  • I was thinking maybe a few dozen Western Bloodlines. Then other regions or cultures could have their own.

    I was thinking that Bloodlines would be different sizes, with some being huge and others tiny. The big ones would most likely be far more politically powerful and may well consider themselves above and beyond a normal Bloodline even if there is no setting or rule distinction.

    The canon Clans, Bloodlines, and Revenant families (all with some tweaking) could maybe form a good starting basis for these Western Bloodlines.
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  • Though I wouldn't want to take it down to the individual level, as I like the idea of factions, I was just thinking of making them smaller and less universal than in canon.

    As for special snowflakes in the main setting, yes there are numerous vampire variants, I guess whether or not they're special snowflakes depends on how the ST presents the world and what he allows....
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  • Yeah, I think that may be kind of what I am thinking of. I think that continental groups (or should there by more taxanomic* terminology?) could form good basis, then with various Bloodlines could have travelled around, leading to more diversity.

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    If every vampire is unique then there are no more "special snowflakes" because being special isn't unique anymore.


    I don't know if I had quite that many Bloodlines in mind, but that was quite an interesting interpretation of having family sized Bloodlines....
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