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  • So, in other words, she is the Lady of Saulot?

    In regards to the potential patriarchy of early agrarian villages in the Middle East, it may not matter. For vampires of that time period, the embrace may be much more personal than choosing someone of high status. You embrace someone that you like, that you want to be your companion, whose qualities you want to last longer than a human lifetime. In those days there was no need to worry about the power of your potential childe, or their ability to preserve the Masquerade. Anyone that a 2nd generation vampire embraces becomes a...
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  • I think it’s a bit odd to blame libertarians for corporate control over politics when libertarians have almost zero power in Washington, virtually no control over institutions, and are pretty much opposed by all of the big money interests. Most of the pro-corporate policies in the USA aren’t letting by businesses get away with what they want, it’s actually funding them.

    Anyway, this is a tangent, we might want to stick to WoD.
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  • A lot of the Tribes seem to have a left wing slant to their ideology. Can that be taken in the other direction? Tribes as being right wing in the modern human political sense? Acknowledging, of course, that both left and right can mean a lot of different things.
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  • Well, that was MyWifeisScary’s original point, that the Clans mostly aren’t conflated with real world political views, but that the Tribes are to a much greater degree.
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  • Well, that is true, some conservatives see the problem as a liberal elite. There are actually lots of wildly different world views within conservatism, some of which are more pro-rich and some are more anti-rich. I would generally say, though, that if Toreador seem like the villains in your world view, the Ventrue probably aren’t going to be the heroes. More likely they’d see the Gangrel as the heroes - rugged rural types who just want to be left alone. I don’t recall ever talking to any conservative V:tM players who thought that the Toreador were bad or saw them as liberal elites.
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  • I never thought of the Toreador as being left wing. In fact, I know a little group of other conservative role players, none of which ever saw the Toreador as being on the left. Within the context of vampiric politics, the Toreador are closer to the establishment. We generally saw the Brujah as being the leftists of the vampire world with Ventrue being on the right. Of course, this doesn’t map directly into human politics, as you can have anti-establishment right wing Brujah (Neo-Nazis, libertarians, etc.) and Ventrue who support leftist human politics with their political connections.
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  • Back to an older topic related to werewolves, if I were in charge I would probably rebalance the game lines and put vampires and werewolves at about the same level regarding physical prowess and combat ability, including soaking aggravated damage with just Stamina like it was in 1st edition.


    I don't think that being peaceful and tolerant is necessarily a recipe to rule over all the other Tribes, especially when werewolf culture in general is hyper-conservative, violent, and intolerant and they are essentially in the middle of a war. I wouldn't want the CoG to be perfect, not...
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  • My disagreements over Children of Gaia isn't a case of a leftist closing ranks, I'm a right winger actually. In fact, I agree that a lot of Werewolf material over the years has been obnoxiously left leaning and that all too often left leaning writers are sympathizing with the werewolf faction that they are writing about and it is coloring their writing. All the more reason that we try to divorce the ideologies of the Garou from real world modern human (notably leftist American) ideologies. In part, my objection to CoG being SJW's or Antifa is that one thing that sets them apart from so many other...
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  • Well, werewolves do live mortal lifespans, but they are also further removed from mortal society in a way. They likely are raise by kinfolk within their own subcultures that go back for millennia. They also have less ability to influence human politics.

    BF are going to want to improve the conditions of women, Wendigo are going to be for Natives and perhaps Anti-white, and so on, but just because they have some overlap with human political movements doesn’t mean that they are going to be defined by those movements. Garou society is ultra-conservative and to the degree that it’s...
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  • That is very different from how I interpret the GoG. I don’t see them as extreme leftists, in fact I wouldn’t necessarily tie them that closely to human politics. I see them as a faction that has traditionally been more focused on peace, tolerance, and understanding than other Garou tribes. Where as so many other Tribes are militant or violent, the CoG prefer violence as a last resort. They would be more likely to seek coexistence between ethnicities, ideologies, supernatural type, and so on. Does this make them the “left” of Garou society? I don’t know, maybe, but it’s a naturally...
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