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  • I kind of guessed it, but well, i'm kind of a magpie when it comes to book stuff - i may have no interest in a plotline or particular NPC, but since it's already there, you can use its actions offscreen as a way to connect some dots in your own story. Players sooner or later ask questions, so having some answers you can jump off stuff from can be good. In the case i thought that Gutooth, being a Rank 4 Theurge that was already causing trouble to the local garou leader with his anti-establishment movement, could have contributed to some of the bad turns things took, like so many tribal leaders...
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  • Baaldam
    replied to Malfean Kindred
    But for a weird aside, how about the Lhiannan, still out and about, messing with "places of power" left and right through bands of fomori-ghouls made by strategic infusions of Ogham? Also, their powers & weakness in particular always made me think of Tzimisce koldunists more than Gangrel.
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  • Yeah, no denying that - but knowing when to fold to bet your chips at a slightly luckier hand is important too.

    Baby steps, baby steps - talking shop and exchanging gossip one-on-one are good tools of politics without being political per se.
    Everything inoffensive.... as long as the prince doesn't get in his head you might be flirting with his girlfriend-seneschal at least.

    What as a aside made me remember of a ST that had a funny houserule for exactly that - if a very skilled PC spent a number of scenes with one NPC in particular, the ST would make a roll...
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  • In fact he could make a pretty good factor behind the end of a good chunk of the tribal leadership, by pointing out failures on their part such as the mystery of Victoria Island, making a challenge that could turn into either public shame or death trap, depending on their confronting or not of the matter. And newfound awareness of Victoria Island could become another drain on attention/resources, for that matter.



    About the Camarilla taking over Vancouver, yes it could certainly be done - but it would take at least as much effort as recovering or taking an Anarch or Sabbat-dominated...
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  • It might be possible, but considering the near half a millenium of distance from her clan and her own lover's laws against clan gatherings and such, a really foolhardy path to pursue.

    That said, trying to make a contact out of her, to exchange lore, gossip & stuff, might be less risky, more viable and maybe even interest her a little in the doings of her long estranged clanmates. Who knows, she might even get a good word with the Great Library wardens' on your name if you're really lucky....
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  • That actually makes a lot of sense and the killing of Roger Daly would make the Compact that much more vulnerable, as he was instrumental in making their overall strategy work. Even more serious in that Vancouver's Glass Walkers are particularly top-heavy (except for two youngsters, one of them Daly's nephew) being all in the late 30s to 50s, back in the 90s.

    Even if Daly's sucessor is a strong one, an ongoing conflict between the Corporate Raiders' Sept and a Syndicate cabal could only mean trouble, as at best it would mean they would have to divert resources from watching out for...
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  • Baaldam
    replied to What destroyed the Versino Academy?
    Good, that definitely settles it. Now i'm curious about what centers of sorcerous learning might there have been in the Blessed Isle during the Shogunate - or if sorcerous education at the period was mostly left up to a more ad hoc & individualistic master-apprentice format. No, no, wait, the Sohei, many of them are sorcerers too - so i guess a good chunk of (formal) sorcerous education in the Shogunate might have be taken by the Immaculates of that era.

    Yes, going from what is said in 2e Black & White Treatise, it seems that the education of sorcerers in the Shogunate was...
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  • My main suggestion is that you read pages 42-49, as they are the ones who give a clearer idea of what the Covenant was about, its history, terms and the context that lead to its formation. That and the overview on each of the tribes should be of great help in establishing your own updated status quo, what dirction each tribe took or not and so on. And i must say the ironic thing is - my overall impression is the Covenant breaking down is far more harmful to the Garou than it is to the prince of Vancouver (the kindred as a whole might be another matter, but no one ever said unlife is fair)....
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  • Here's a few thoughts and ideas related to your answers, Kharnov:



    Yokoshi is not a great character, being pretty much defined by his function as foreign observer and "super-honorable japanese guy" stereotype role. The Bushi's signature discipline as written is also very much a bag of stereotypes and i'll admit the main reason i still remember them is their mythic origin tale relating to the conflict between Amaterasu (sun goddess) & Susano-o (storm god & her younger mercurial brother), that i do like.
    My suggestion is either completely ignore...
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  • I can see what you mean, but wouldn't say being published under the werewolf label had that much of a effect - it certainly did not hurt the sales of Rage Across Russia with either group of players. no matter how over the top and jarring the book might have been in comparison to Vampire city books. The issues were many and a little more complex, i would guess, at least from my own experience as one who actually owns the book. ...
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  • It's outdated, quite so considering Yokoshi and the Children of Susano-o were writen half a decade before there was a KotE - Gui Ren and Beast Courts did not exist in the game as such back then. What for me is one more reason not to mix Year of the Lotus related stuff with this particular book...



    But anyway, on actually getting some use of the book instead of ignoring or disowning it like most later canon does, let me hit some bits and pieces that come to mind:

    - Siegfried is an independent prince, with no direct affiliation to either Camarilla, Sabbat or...
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  • Vancouver ain't a bad book per se but has an issue in that almost eveything on it revolves around the kindred-garou accord. There are little to no hooks in the book outside of it, with the Necross, the Nosferatu and the Library as the one noteworthy exception - beside the "there's a sleeping 4th gen that might have influenced things with its ginormous Animalism, to have kindred AND lupine chow aplenty when it does wake up" cliche, that is....). Even the asian outsider vampire is there because of the accord, that he's studying as a possible basis for his elders establishing a similar...
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  • Baaldam
    replied to Malfean Kindred
    I would say it's a matter of taste, as in my games the Baali are Neverborn-worshippers - and honestly Daimonon's powerset becomes that much more consistent when you associate them with spectres, angst, dark passions and ghostly balefire. For an extra vicious crossover bonus, in chronicles i used this version of the Baali the Neverborn are the spectres of dead Antediluvians......
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  • I would have no problem with some of the "obsoleteness" you mentioned - if kindred can change, deviate and mutate, why not the Birds?

    Wicked Dead's Jiangshi would be their "vanilla/grassroots/before some crazy f**kers in an university made a cult/community/clan of them" version. Will the 2e Jiangshi prosper and subsume their more limited/primal kin or be consumed as an ephemeral flowering of tthe ages leaving room for their "older" brethen? Time will tell, or not. As an aside, in my own games i toyed with the idea of a familial clan of Aswang socialites...
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  • Possibly associated with the phantasmagoric figure known as Sightless Mother (from the "Ancient Horrors" chapter of Night Horrors: Immortal Sinners) with her elusive ties to Cruác....
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  • Baaldam
    replied to Menele vs Helena
    Very true, but then much of the same can be said of Japheth or Shaitan.

    Overall i don't worry overmuch about discipline totals of canon NPCs, as i know i'll gut most of them to taste anyway. Truth be told, if i ever ST Chicago again - what i haven't done since the 90s, though i played it twice in the last decade - i'm quite certainly going to tweak a lot of stuff on their stats, but then that's how i roll, i like to adjust crunch to fit fluff where i can....
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  • Baaldam
    replied to Menele vs Helena
    I'm not even sure Moloch and Ur-shulgi would match Shaitan/Huitzilopochtli (but then i'm also the guy who prefers to consider he's not Nergal and that claim of Moloch either a mistake or a blatant lie) in power level, but agree they might be the only two canon methuselahs with justification to do so.

    The whole point of Shaitan's stats in Chaos Factor can be summed up as "evil ovepowerlord antediluvian expy", along with the False Caine from Berlin by Night and (to a lesser degree) Japheth in Last Supper....
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  • Baaldam
    replied to Menele vs Helena
    You are using the wrong gauge then, because the point of Shaitan is being overpowered, something that is right there in his background - he was so powerful for his age it bothered even antediluvians and lead to his exile. The whole idea with him in Chaos Factor is "err, no Sam, that guy is not an antediluvian - but i can understand the mistake, believe me."

    So, no, not supposed at all to be an example of a "typical" methuselah, his age or otherwise, ever.......
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  • Baaldam
    replied to Help Me Make Dragon Armor
    Coming a bit late into the fray, but here we go....

    Courante & Galliard and Razor Dancer & Wise Steel - or even better, the military colectivity of Brass Legionaries, probably even more ressonant with the peculiar niche of the dragon armors in previous editions - are there to show you can have artifacts that are part of a themed set and still play to the "each artifact is kind of unique and has a legend its own" narrative of 3e, so no problems there i guess.

    Mechanics/scale-wise Dragon Armor's thing was offering a number of benefits/enhancements that...
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  • Baaldam
    replied to What destroyed the Versino Academy?
    True, my bad, brain farts happen.

    As an aside, i don't remember if it is ever said the Versino was created by the Scarlet Dynasty or some remnant of the shogunate era....
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