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  • Baaldam
    replied to Threnodies on 2e
    Pretty sure there was at least one "sacrifice of a loved one" example, since it really stuck in the head when i read that chapter of the book, might check for specific page later.

    But i agree that some more fine-tunning and exploration of the idea and how to diferentiate it beyond "discipline rituals" from better known blood magic and devotions. Or maybe take into the confusion wholeheartedtly and dive into it in the last case, who knows.



    Yes, the fact the corebook did make a point of discussing rituals, if only to establish the blood...
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  • Baaldam
    started a topic Threnodies on 2e

    Threnodies on 2e

    Was the concept of threnodies updated, expanded or least further fleshed out in 2e or even some other 1e book beside Blood Sorcery?

    My overall impression seems to be that it was thrown under a rug and forgotten as a thing by most writers, left as a theoretical option in the sense that it has not actively "revoked",
    like the 2e rules for Cruac & Theban Sorcery essentially do for Blood Sorcery's system, but still largely ignored through lack of support or even citation.

    At least that is how i see it so far. If someone can point evidence on the contrary...
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  • Well, it could be that the mystery entity has something personal against the prince, not the PCs - but also so distrusting, hurt, paranoid it can't really trust them to simply leave it alone and not try to (ab)use any knowledge in the diaries against it somehow.





    Well, one can always use the "flashback vignette through Psychometry misuse" gimmick as long as there's at least one PC with Auspex in the group.
    Or come up with some blood magic related excuse for it to happen if they don't have the right plot-convenient power. ...
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  • I'd imagine some kindred scholars might say the Nosferatu are the cockroaches of vampiric evolution for their consistency and hardiness.

    Also, there's the matter of the extinct Xolotl clan of precolumbian mexico, that might have been Nosferatu or something even more atrocious and remain a mystery still.
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  • Baaldam
    replied to Lancea Blood Feuds
    A very fair point.

    L+S ​congregations would probably care far more about somehow showing divine (dis)favor for the individual and one's role as a monster in the service of god than anything else.

    Shows of prowess, martial or not, that has always been more of a macho/bravado/status sensitive thing, one actually opposed (ineffectively) by religious and state institutions through the centuries....
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  • A list of devotions, rituals and threnodies learned from other kindred as payment for favors owed, with remainders of which kindred taught it what, when and if they are still around.
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  • The Betrayed were one of the main options for the truth/origin behind the rumored society of vampires dedicated to the destruction of kindred known as VII, in the covenant book of the same name.




    Well, that there are possibly a dozen different ways a ST could make those pieces fit together effectively - and that is even without bringing the Pijavica, Vedma and/or others along into the set as extra pieces to add to the complexity. Definitely where part of the fun is....
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  • Well, between Bereschligost, Chary, maybe Spoiling, the Amari, Mikhaili, Gangrel &/or maybe Pijavica (something about the Mikhaili's cannibalistic/self-destructive cycle makes me think of some accidental resonance with their gory spawning process, i guess), the Betrayed and perhaps the Vedma, looks like we have a good variety of loose threads to make a tapestry of horror, mistakes & tragedy from, no?
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  • So, not a bad effort at all for a piece of crunch & fluff mostly forgotten and untouched from a time before the Betrayed were even a thing, uh?




    I would say that sidebar is more reflective of perceptions/preconceptions of the average OD academic about how the blood actually works or not - but not as well researched as one might have expected them to check before making any such statement - than anything, even more so with the directions the lore has taken since late 1e and 2e.

    Little aside, how would you people go at remaking the Betrayed? Because...
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  • Speaking of vitae preservation shenanigans, has anyone tried to compare Bereschligost to Spoiling in the OD book - that while not their signature discipline, has passed in the covenant's bag of tricks through the Vedma, a bloodline apparently of the Gangrel and yet claims to be older and having created them?

    Though it might be somewhat relevant to the subjects of pieces and toys that might seem to go well together. ...
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  • I might be mixing things a bit and would have to check the clanbooks for actual confirmation, but i remember it being implied that strong exposure to kindred mental powers or disciplines could also count as "taint" for matters of "spontaneous embrace/rising".

    Someone ressurected through the use of the Worm Pipe (HtV: Night Stalkers, pgs. 146-148 and Nosferatu, pgs. 67-68) definitely would count as tainted in such a way, same for a person whose heart was taken by a Child of Phobos (Blood Sorcery, pgs. 55-59), i'd guess.

    edit: the last can count as updated...
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  • Baaldam
    replied to The Overthrow of Zeus: Specifics?
    Not to mention some of the brothers, sisters and childer have ideas of their own at times, as shown by the almost successful attempt by Athena, Hera & Poseidon to depose Zeus mentioned in the Illiad. Among other things - Aphrodite, unintentional child of Ouranos or daughter of Zeus with an obscure consort, which version is true and what function might the false tale serve for? The matter of Eros' true identity is twice as sketchy, might be said....
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  • Baaldam
    replied to The Overthrow of Zeus: Specifics?
    As Gryffon15 pointed out, in some tellings of the myth, Prometheus was the one in greek myth who knew the secret about Thetis being fated to birth a child greater than the father and the Heracles' quest to free the titan from his plight was at least in part barter of sorts between him and the lord of Olympus for the knowledge of how to break the cycle that felled Ouranos and Cronos both before Zeus.

    It's not so much that there's a specific prophecy about Zeus's overthrow so much as, being the king of the gods, he must constantly watch out for threats to his authority and/or thron...
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