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  • Basically, a cabal/conspiracy of Vicissitude-fetishists, which might be something more, if the proprietary path and Investment-esque special tricks it offers (Transmutations) serves as indication (supposing they actually exist in one's particular game). The urge to convert or destroy non-Asakku is curious too, if a little harder to swallow. Overall as given seems somewhat vague and bland, but the mechanical bits do open room for a ST to improvise one's own take of what/why would they be in the first place and such....
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  • Completely random and uninformed aside - is belief in "souleaters" as spirit beings possessing all users of Vicissitude and them some with some sort of mysterious agenda still a part of True Hand lore/culture/etc? To what degree? Any major changes in the subject's take or telling?
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  • While older versions would be the basic ones? Hmmm, could be possible in the Julii's case, but the Akhud one is pretty much the same if memory tricks me not, so wouldn't work like that in their case and then there's the Pijjavica, for whom we only have the weakness from Thousand Years of Nights, afaik. So, problematic overall to implement like that, i guess....
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  • That weakness has a very interesting conundrum baked in: the Julii need Humanity to shore up their capacity to resist the powers of the Strix.
    But shoring up their Humanity makes the Strix hate their guts and pester them more.
    The more vulnerabble they are, the less reason the Strix feel to mess with them.
    The Strix - other ephemerals are a whole different matter, obviously.

    Anyway, i think that peculiar paradox within the Julii's weakness could be a good starting point to cook ideas on their Elder Bane....
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  • Well, ghouls and ghoul families could certainly have some sort of role as mouthpieces of certain elders and ancients, no?...
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  • Baaldam
    replied to First Vampires
    As an aside, i think there was something in Mekhet: Shadows in the Dark, Frances acessing visions/memories in the blood of a shadow thing with serrated tentacles of darkness attacking and consuming the blood of what seemed to be prehistoric people, while under effect of the Glass Armonium.

    How does that fit or not in the equation and how, i guess would be up to each individual ST.
    But felt it was worth mentioning as a non-human, non-strix, possible ur-vampire reference.
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  • Baaldam
    replied to Ceceya and Shadows of Mexico
    Both directions sound pretty interesting as setting fodder. As an aside, i get this idea that the Ceceya might have used something like a version of Nightmare gone awry with weird devotions as a tool of domination/terror, as an alternative of sorts.
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  • One of the older books, Bloodlines: the Hidden, has the Qedeshah, a bloodline of "mothers of kindred" that claims to have originated among hebrew women in Judea, amidst a context of worship of the Shekhinah as the second, feminine “half” of G'd, what makes them also good fodder as members of the Dammitic Creed, another mystery cult, a syncretic branch with connections to the Crone or even all of the above.

    Anyway, thought of mentioning them as an interesting addition....
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  • Question: what is the updated Julii clan weakness? I remember seeing it at least once, but can't find it in the books right now.

    Little aside, has anyone tried to make something like a checklist of fallen/extinct clans that have popped up in 2e and some of the late 1e Requiem books?
    It could be a very interesting reference resource, i think.
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  • True, it's not enough to close the issue. But can be a starting point to improvise/improve from to pique the interest of a ST that's just starting to delve into the subject.
    The specific conceit of them as actual branches of the LS tends to be mostly ignored in my experience anyway....
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  • Baaldam
    replied to [V5] Camarilla: Paris
    True, true, in my own games - inspired by some fragmentary bits from the NPCs in Diablerie: Britain - Villon and Guil made quite the royal mess out of geting too many Toreador and Brujah of varied ages to jump into the napoleonic imperial bandwagon and pratically jumpstarting a new War of Princes in the early 1800s, while "restablishing order" in France. So, many elders know and respect his diplomatic and political acumen, but trusting the scoundrel to follow the rules, that's a whole different matter. ...
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  • Baaldam
    replied to [V5] Camarilla: Paris
    Me i tend to play, partly inspired by the historical figure he's named after, as more a scoundrel that got himself respectable through guile and luck, more Rick Blaine or Lando Calrissian, with some Napoleon when putting on airs than Sun King per se, but that's just a personal preference of the old fart that i am, going against the party line before there was actually one. ...
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  • Baaldam
    replied to [V5] Camarilla: Paris
    Can someone throw me a link to the preview too?
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  • Baaldam
    replied to First Vampires
    Yes, if one does not bump itself into full kindred by being embraced right or commiting diablerie, they are condemned to a pretty miserable existence indeed....
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  • Might end up doing my own thing, but very good to know, should make a most engrossing read. Thanks....
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  • Baaldam
    replied to Native American Vampires
    Edit: Cleared up things about LostLight about the Lost Clan that was presented at Half Damned's identity. He meant the Ceceya, whom he discusses here.


    Well, i guess that leaves any connections between Shadows of Mexico and Wicked Dead's versions of the Cihuateteo up for grabs.

    A simple one that has crossed my mind is them as different stages of the same beings: the Wicked Dead Cihuateteo spontaneously rising as full kindred upon death (or ritual sacrifice/suicide). Maybe with broken souls a la Hollow Mekhet, for an indirect telltale of their ties with Tezcatlipoca,...
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  • To be honest, i haven't read much of anything on the Tal'Mahe'Ra in a long time. The supposed jumbled character of the book sounds far from a problem from a ST standpoint, imho: you pick what you like most for a take of the group that pleases you, the rest one might either ignore - or use as seeds for other mystery/gehenna cults, like the Edenian Groundskeepers, Servitors of Irad, Lilith-worshippers or whatever one feels like cooking up.

    To those with preocupations about overall setting consistency, interlinking with hooks &/or storylines in future books and such it might be more...
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  • Well, my first city ever in a Masquerade was Gary (after some mixing-&-matching of clans and generations) adapted in weird ways to late 80s/early 90s Miami (because me and the friend i co-STed with had a bunch of maps and tour guides at hand thanks to recent family trips to Florida). Weird Miami Vice and Twin Peaks references included.

    Recently messed a bit (a lot) with Chicago in an "all-methuselah game" involving Critias, Eletria, "Caine" (actually a Trujah ancient that diablerized the impostor from Berlin by Night, but got messed up fierce by the weird...
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  • Baaldam
    replied to First Vampires
    Hmm, i suspected so. While i have some of the new books, i guess i'm still parked in late 1e mentally overall. Revenants seem also to bring to Requiem some of the images/themes associated with Caitiff/Thin-Bloods in Masquerade (or at least this is my initial impression).

    Well, no real reason one might not have either/both in the table depending on locale, weird circunstances and such, have to look on that when i'm more familiar with the subject. Question, is Revenant embracing related in any way to Frenzy or Wassail or dependant on other factors that might or not mesh with loss of...
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  • Must admit no one pointing out VtM: Bloodlines surprised me a bit too. For extra weirdness i mix the game's Caine with the demented Ravnos impostor from Berlin By Night (and DeNiro's look in Taxi Driver)....
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