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  • I know this sounds like a dodge, but if this is in a Werewolf game, then the Coterie's shared Haven (a Chantry is a specific other thing) will have exactly the defenses you need to put the PCs through their paces. They should be sorely challenged to succeed, but be able to do so with some luck.

    If your players enjoy stealth challenges use automated cameras and dogs with auspex. If they like academic puzzles, secure the entrances with weird wards and obscure coded riddles. If they like to go in with the guns blazing, throwing hand grenades, start writing up ghouls as mooks, and give...
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  • Nosimplehiway
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    I kind of almost prefer that a Lasombra creates a tiny, primordial darkness on a phone screen that inexplicably terrifies anyone who snoops over her shoulder, but she can browse online just fine.

    Its an application that shows some real finesse.

    Related topic on Obtenebration... uses of the power do show up on cameras? Like blocking a surveillance camera and such, right? So, does the fear effect transmit in the same way? Could you post a video of abyssal darkness on Youtube and scare people?...
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  • And the Tremere likely have no interest in allowing research into rituals that erase all bonds at once across large groups of kindred, for obvious reasons.
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  • Nosimplehiway
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    1. Its a Lasombra, so its more about keeping the secrets that need kept than convincing the populace they live in Normalland.
    B. It doesn't need to be a giant blob. It could be a tiny, very flat blob. If they can choke someone with pure darkness, and make it so no one can quite keep track of where to point the gun, they can blank out a phone....
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  • Nosimplehiway
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    Oh? Am I really the only one who... I mean, of course not, no one would ever... umm... do that....
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  • Just a thought, but does the Vaulderie mechanically model a blood bond to the Sabbat as a whole, like the Tremere do? Or is it technically just many, many individual bonds of varying strengths to a long, long list of individual members of the Sabbat?

    If, as I seem to recall, it is the latter, the most direct method would be to kill off everyone with whom she holds a vinculi. This would be impractical with older vampires, or those who take part in rites regularly. For newly created or converted members, though, it is an option.

    An interesting chronicle might be built around...
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  • I have occasionally used the old Path of Honorable Accord as a starting point for "new" Paths, as long as they are geared to remaining more or less focused on a task, and not totally chaotic evil.

    If you think about it, HA is actually quite generic if you just change the focus of the path follower's loyalty. Nearly every path really boils down to "be loyal to your group", "take part in path activities" and "follow the rules of your path". Just remember to adjust the ideals of "honor" to a select group. So, for example, a pleasure...
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  • Nosimplehiway
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    Total brainstorming here, ignore me if it's dumb, but...

    I wonder... does Obtenabration only block visible light? Given the other-worldy alien feel of it, it seems like it might block further up and down the spectrum.

    If it doesn't, then certain Protean powers, some Vicissitude mods, and some uses of Abombwe would be able to ignore the darkness. (It's fun to think of butterflies and moths merrily ignoring the evil, abyssal darkness while humans are freaking out.)

    But if it does block higher and lower wavelengths, well... that opens a lot of possibilities....
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  • Nosimplehiway
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    Which reminds me of another use. When reading a document in public, like your iPhone on a train, say, make the screen look completely black to everyone around you. Privacy mode!
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  • Aww, shucks.
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  • Right. Instant change is do-able in VDA20.

    So, with an instantaneous change, the aiming gets much, much easier because you aren't free falling for a full turn. You could go into a full stooping dive and, reflexively, change when you are within inches of the target, accelerating the whole time.

    It seems, then, like a cross between a Great Blow (which does not exist in V20 corebook) and a Tackle, but we need to model the increased speed somehow.

    VDA20 has mounted combat rules, so that helps by having a rule for how speed adds to damage. Mounted attacks cause
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  • I like your thinking on shifting forms to use the momentum of flight dive/gravity and the larger mass to increase damage.

    A few nitpicks, though:

    The change takes three turns to complete. When you are 2/3 Falcon and 1/3 Bear, it's hard to imagine flight still working as well as before, since bears, well, don't have wings. Spend extra blood to reduce the change time to the minimum of 1 turn. However, in that 1 turn you'll be mid-transformation, so flight, I would rule, would be impaired. Not drop like a rock impaired, though that would be a reasonable ruling. If we're...
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    Last edited by Nosimplehiway; 09-21-2017, 08:52 AM. Reason: Oops, did not notice you were in VDA20, where it is possible to reduce the change time to reflexive. Gonna need a second post to adjust.

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  • Nosimplehiway
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    Those are some great uses. I especially like combining with Melpominee.

    I have to admit, though, I'm a little confused by your use of abbreviations. What is a PMC and a CQC? I tried googling them, but it doesn't seem right that your Lasombra (or maybe the ST) was the proprietor of PubMed Central, an online publisher of medical research articles, who has elite fire ghouls regularly performing live fire exercises against the UK's National Health's Care Quality Commission.

    Though, to be fair, I'm sure some patients, care providers, and administrators in UK hospitals would...
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  • Nosimplehiway
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    A few random ideas on Obtenebration 1:
    • Could be useful for stalking prey. Not just the stealth part, but if you have someone walking around a not so safe neighborhood at night you could use deep shadows in one direction to corral them into the other direction. Prey keep thinking they're moving to safer, brighter lit areas, but they are moving just where you want them.
    • Need a quick snack? Move darkness in front of the instrument panel and headlights of a car. The driver will think there are electrical problems and pull over.
    • Other use against drivers: random shadows moving on the edge of
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  • Hmmm, not inconceivable given that we're dealing with evil, blood sucking monsters... but, for anyone who had even a nominal relationship to Islam in their breathing days, the idea that revelation is sealed is a pretty big deal.

    The idea is that everything that needed to be revealed was revealed, and within that revelation it said unambiguously that revelation wassealed. Anyone who comes along afterward saying otherwise might seem like they were calling the Quran (and therefore the divine source of the Quran) either capable of making major mistakes in what is revealed, or of lying...
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  • Umm, not a bad idea for a movie, but are you sure you want your players to lose their characters because they failed in a single combat turn?

    I mean, in a movie like 28 Days Later you go in knowing that any character... indeed most of the characters... are likely to be dead or turned by the end of the movie, but the players signed up for a game in which immortality, or a least extended longevity, was part of the deal.

    At some point you will have the moment when a selfish heiress, obsessed scholar, or murder investigator fails a single roll and... oops!... you've been...
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  • Well, I didn't really rewrite Serpentis into a path of Setite Sorcery for any power-level based reason, per se. It's just in a chronicle that was all one clan, rituals were one way to allow some customization of the pcs....
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  • Thank you so much for asking this. I was hesitating to ask, figuring it would come out in conversation....
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  • I agree with your conclusion... the soul, whatever that is, is destroyed in diablerie... but the fact that possession is a possibility is actually a counter-argument to our view. In diableries where possession occurs, the diabolist's body's blood still gets stronger. If the soul being destroyed were what fuels the change to a stronger generation, that wouldn't be the case.

    OTOH, the fact that some necromancy powers explicitly can't be used to summon or communicate with victims of diablerie after their demise implies that those diablerized do not have an afterlife....
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  • Not sure the Jewish one should even focus on Jewish theology, per se.

    How about a Sect that is focused more on protecting and propagating the Jewish people, community and traditions in a vampiric context? Maybe a Carthian-related group that emulates mid-century Israeli kibbutzim?

    They could see themselves as both defenders of the Jewish community in the direct sense of fighting anti-Semites, but also providing a better environment for Jewish vampires.

    So, they would enter smaller cities where life is hard for a vampire and build communal systems of blood...
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