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  • Beckett was really J├╝rgen von Verden. Shocking twist!
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  • A suspected vampire who's being tailed by the SI can almost certainly count on having their phone permanently switched on and transmitting to a recorder. That's at least one order of magnitude in difference from scouring the entirety of global communications and trying to filter literally all the data in the world to look for vampires. It's just a matter of how much work load can feasibly be tackled. In the real world, the NSA had to outsource their illegal domestic surveillance work to private contractors in order to manage it all, and that was with a threat that everyone believed exist...
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  • Does anyone who has played both V5 and Requiem have a preference in how Humanity is used in either game? Requiem 2nd Edition's conceptualization of Humanity as the character's ability to remember what living was like, instead if as a moral code, struck me as a very clever breath of fresh air, but I've only seen either system on paper. I've yet to actually play either game edition.
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  • I would have been delighted with a resolution to 2004's many end-of-the-world scenarios where things go wrong or right in unpredictable ways, due to the fact that so many supernaturals are dealing with it from different angles.

    Maybe the Risen managed to fortify the Gauntlet to prevent the rise of Apophis. The Garou, the Kuei Jin, and the Fallen certainly notice that they can't reach the Umbra any longer, but their enemies on the other side of the barrier can't cross over either, which tidies up a lot of their problems. The Antedeluvians rise, but they're quickly smacked down by...
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  • "Disease and mutation work better with living characters" is an entirely legitimate take, I think.
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  • To give one example, the Nagaraja have been without a home or allies since the destruction of Enoch in 1999, but they have ancient wisdom to share with their fellow necromancers. The mutual interest between the Nagaraja and the rest of the Hecata seems natural to me, regardless of the bloodline's lack of blood ties to the Cappadocians.
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  • It had to be said, too, that some of the 5 dot discipline powers are much more powerful than in previous editions. A Kindred with Presence 5 can entrance or intimidate people over Zoom, Skype, and Facetime calls. That's not a nerf to disciplines, that's Elder level power.
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  • My Vampion, Sid Trenchcoat of Clan Katana, just rolls up to the orphanage and gets another touchstone urchin sidekick every time the last one turns out to lack proficiency in dodging bullets, explosions, souleaters, and poison gas.

    *sage nod*
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  • The idea that Vicissitude loses something if it's no longer so clan exclusive is an interesting one. It had always been my impression that Vicissitude ran like wildfire through the Sabbat, and that sharing disciplines was one of the most important practical techniques that the Sabbat used to prepare their packs for war. It seemed like nearly every NPC in the Sabbat had at least a dot or two in the discipline at one time.
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  • I believe you're right on both counts.

    It should be noted that the idea of vampires as essentially unchanging has always had a place in the Anarchs vs Camarilla plot; the young coterie's ability to do an end run around an antagonistic elder with their fancy understanding of the modern world was the most important edge the youngsters had....
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  • THAT'S IT! Thank you for letting me know that I'm not crazy.

    From the White Wolf Fandom Wiki's entry on "Umi," source uncited but presumably one of the above mentioned books:

    "Certain courtiers say that the Dragon King mourns his love, the destroyed Dragon Princess of Hiroshima; others mutter that the Dragon King was in the Dragon Princess's bed on August 6,1945, and that since then he has suffered from a frightful and disfiguring malady. In the Dragon King's place rules his seneschal, Gajyra, a brutal and towering dragon-spirit whose flaming breath can...
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  • Was there a KotE book that mentioned Kojira/Godzilla objectively existing in one of the spirit realms, or did I dream that 20 years ago while I had a fever? Because damned if I know where to look for it now.
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  • In my imagination, feral claws aren't needed for an iconic Paladin type character. A Brujah with Potence, Celerity, and a good melee weapon would do fine without it.

    I would suggest at least one dot in Animalism and some points in Animal Ken and Ride if you want to go the cavalier route and fight from horseback, though. Horsemanship remained a part of the traditional "knight in shining armor" fantasy even after the arrival of the musket made metal armor obsolete.

    A ghouled horse might even be worth a point in Allies.
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  • I have nothing but good will toward everyone in this thread, and I've enjoyed reading posts on both sides of the arguments.

    With that said, the Sabbat book is vaporware until there's a release date. It's not even on White Wolf's published list of stuff in early development for the forseeable future, let alone next year. I don't believe there's a book coming, unless it's going to be the last book published before work begins on V6.

    The game's 3rd, or Revised, Edition was entirely about building up imminent Gehenna, and ended with its arrival. Unless V5 was going to...
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    replied to Kindred of the Ebony Kingdom
    This is my new headcanon....
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  • Going back and rereading Transylvania Chronicles, it's funny to read what is presented Saulot's mesage to his Antedeluvian siblings - about how his motivation for millennia of villainy was simple jealousy over how the Kuei Jin were objectively so much cooler than the kind of undeath that Caine stuck his childer with....
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  • Part of me wants to see a unified "things that come back to the land of the living" game for this edition, merging concepts from D:tF, KotE, and Mummy.
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  • Let the players think they got away with it until the last game session of your story. Then WHAM.
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  • Montreal By Night and Mexico City By Night were published five years and an edition of the game apart, though. See what I mean? Even in Montreal, the demon is presented as a menace to the Sabbat, not an object of worship.
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  • Harold Zettler dates back to an ancient edition of the games when the Sabbat might as well be buddies with the Black Spiral Dancers, because both are meant to be unplayable antagonists. Notably, he's never appeared in a Vampire book. He's a Werewolf brand (tm) character.

    By Revised Edition, the writers' interest in making the Sabbat playable went to such an extent that the Sabbat's Infernalist Regent, Melinda Galbraith, was killed offstage and between books. The divorcing of the Sabbat from Infernalism in the years leading up to the publication of Gehenna came straight from White...
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