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  • Path of Lilith (Bahari) views on everyday moral issues.

    For the sake of delivering information, here is the standard progression of the Path of Lilith in V20. There are variants and you can make up your own variants if you like, but this is the core ideology:

    - Pain is important in gaining wisdom and experience. It is the best teacher of the body, mind and soul.

    - The body, mind and soul are all important. Ascension does not mean letting go of pain and suffering, but embracing them.

    - Monstrosity is beautiful. Make your own Garden, just as Lilith did.

    - Creation and innovation are good things....
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  • 11twiggins
    replied to Ravnos Controversy
    InfernalGoose But there were Rogue options already; choose a clan with Obfuscate and give them Rogue-like powers via their Abilities and Attributes. It feels unnecessary to have a Clan of Tricksters, since such a Clan would collapse under a weight of deception. Furthermore, and Clan of Trickery worth its salt would be known as the "Clan of Upstanding Citizens". The idea of them being super-tricksy and thieving is just annoying; if they have a reputation for being tricksy and stealy, that means they're shit at doing it.
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  • 11twiggins
    replied to Ravnos Controversy
    There's always been so much fucked up shit in TTRPG books. You have fantasy where the evil races are codified in ethnic and dark-skinned ways (thanks to Tolkien tbh), and don't get me started on Half Orcs, who until the most recent edition were basically always the result of an Orc Male raping a Human Female, and considering the dreadlocks and the Othering of their green skin etc. it's not hard to see which trope that's playing into (the big dangerous thuggish muscular foreigners with darker skin coming and violating our women and getting them pregnant. Those are our women! We're the ones meant...
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  • 11twiggins
    replied to How do you: Dementation
    It's 1 Derangement at my table, and if the target is Of The Blood they get Dementation 1. This means the power is either a gift or an assault depending on the context.

    In future games I'm making two types of Malks; Presence Malks and Dominate Malks, and "dementation" is the way Malkavians use Obfuscate, Auspex and Domination/Presence to drive people insane, a mixture of techniques using those standard powers and Combination Disciplines based on them.

    I'd also have a Merit called "Twice Cursed", where you add a +2 difficulty to one Virtue on top of...
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  • 11twiggins
    replied to Nagaraja Thread
    I think that How Many Vampires There Are is something that is best ignored in service of the plot. Next we'll be getting into arguments over what proportion of the world's wealth Pentex, the Ventrue and The Syndicate control (tbh I'm guessing that there's a tonne of overlap; the Syndicate will own a company but Ventrue will have access to its resources as well... something huge can have multiple people who believe they are in control).
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  • 11twiggins
    replied to Ravnos Controversy
    AnubisXy I think the people in question are wrong, they're just allowing the old write-ups to Poison the Well, which I think is understandable even if I disagree. Like if the Ventrue were Greedy Jews in 1st Ed, I would understand if people never came back to VTM even after it was fixed.

    I'm saying that Virtue Signal is a term which is white noise and means absolutely nothing. It's a non-statement, an alt-right buzzword not unlike cuck. It literally adds nothing to an argument, in fact the term is a Substitute for an argument. If you want a full run-down on why the term is absolutely...
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  • 11twiggins
    replied to Ravnos Controversy
    Virtue Signalling as a concept is broken. It assumes the intent of the person it's used against, it's an Ad Hominem (even if they are saying it to look smart or PC or morally superior, does that make them wrong?), and it also posits that saying/doing something to seem like a good person is inherently wrong when that's something people do all the time always. Anything can be virtue signalling if you want it to be. You're currently virtue signalling, selling yourself as a rational person who is above these crazy over-the-top SJWs! You literally get people on twitter saying "I'm better than...
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  • 11twiggins
    replied to Ravnos Controversy
    Oh, I don't think the Toreador were ever offensive, but their 1st Edition Portrayal comes across as stereotypes of gay men in LA and similar cities. With that said, I don't think the portrayal ever felt homophobic, they were just presented as a very sensual and provocative group of Vampires with superficial aesthetic links to the cultures of gay men in various countries. My point is that the Ravnos are different from that....
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  • 11twiggins
    replied to Ravnos Controversy
    If the Ventrue started out as The Greedy Jew clan, I think people would feel a bit... uncomfortable about them, even if they were fixed in Revised onwards.

    Now the Toreador arguably started off as the Gay Vampire Clan, but with them it was more codified and non-offensive and less "the person writing this is an actual homophobe"....
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  • 11twiggins
    replied to Ravnos Controversy
    The Ravnos are spoilt goods for some people. I make Chimerstry into Obfuscate Elder Powers, and make the Clan into a Not Racist group who are reviled by everyone because of historical events. Something of great power is influencing the very perception of the Clan, so there is a lot of in-universe racism towards them due to some Ancient. Due to this racism they can't settle down (their weakness under me is that when they stay in one place for more than a certain amount of time, supernaturals (and later, mortals and animals) become increasingly hostile towards them) and so they roam around the world...
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  • 11twiggins
    replied to Onyx Path's Gehenna.
    If I remember rightly there were hints at blood being changed so that it's more "searching for a specific type of blood". I did a post on one of the threads on it which got 5 likes or something, laying out a worst case scenario where it's a gotta-drink-em-all scenario and Meaningful Human Interaction is bound into the mechanics by the rules rather than the fluff, themes and personality of the work.

    People are worried, but I'm still hopeful that things will work out. However out of the little info you published, there were some worrying concepts mixed in....
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  • 11twiggins
    replied to Lore of the Bloodlines
    The stereotypical Gangrel embrace is significantly different from a Caitiff embrace, done right. They embrace them, tell them the bare minimum (sun bad, fire bad) and then leave them. They then get them a few days later and train them from there. The Caitiff are the ones they don't reconnect with for whatever reason. This is why Gangrel produce lots of Caitiff. The Caitiff are where the Sire didn't bother to take them back in, or where the Sire died or was stopped from finding them....
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  • Remove Freebies, except for Merits/Flaws and Backgrounds. Then give each PC an amount of EXP to use equivalent to the age of the concept and the game's power level.
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  • 11twiggins
    replied to 5th Edition New Breeds
    Yeah, I can't see a Squirrel Spirit being overly discerning. "Wait! You aren't a member of this Arbitrary Group! No, I won't teach you how to do this thing that is kind of common to all animals in folklore, so there!"...
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  • 11twiggins
    replied to 5th Edition New Breeds
    My reasoning was that the guide of birds of prey I read described Eagles as regal, if there's established lore on Falcons as leaders... the issue for me is that Eagles are bigger and this means that they fit neatly as the leaders in a stereotypical sense.

    I'm not sure if Owl would actually work. Might just be goofy. Since Hawks have such incredible senses, they could be the Umbra experts. Or, Luna wanted to get in on the fun and she made the Owl sub-breed, and there's a rivalry going on because Helios was big on the whole "The birbs are mine" thing. The Owls gained no support...
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  • 11twiggins
    replied to Lore of the Bloodlines
    Death Reflection isn't in V20, and it would begin to rot after a week so they would know at that point....
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  • 11twiggins
    replied to 5th Edition New Breeds
    Well I'd argue that they should all be Warriors of a kind, just ones who fight in different ways.

    Vultures: They hide and wait for a foe to be weak before striking. They are slow but efficient. A Vulture might bother a Fomori frequently to stop it from getting drinkable water, and slowly as the thirst takes over they take advantage of this weakness. Their Gifts would include an artificially forced Hunger/Thirst/Exhaustion state which they can use to strike a foe at their weakest. Their Crinos form gives extra Stamina to help them Bother foes without risking death or exhaustion. They...
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  • 11twiggins
    replied to 5th Edition New Breeds
    With Falcons as Sky Warriors, they could learn the Corax's offensive gifts but at 1 level lower; so the level 3 Corax gift with a deadly feather dart would be a level 2 gift for them.

    I think it would make sense if they could Swoop Sideways; they can dive into water (reflective) and enter the Umbra through that, in the fashion that birds of prey dive to grab fish.

    However, Corax aren't just Ravens, they're Corvids. Wouldn't it be better to have our 'Falcons' be a larger family which contains multiple birds of prey? That way they are global and allow for more player customisation,...
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  • 11twiggins
    replied to Lore of the Bloodlines
    I think we can say that Malks would just know. If you aren't linked to The Cobweb then that will be clear through close examination. Lasombra would detect frequently....
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  • 11twiggins
    replied to Lore of the Bloodlines
    The books try and patch over this. Gangrel can smell it. Brujah sense there's a lack of rage.

    Two solutions. One is that the Sire ALWAYS has a sense that something is wrong with their Childe. The other is that Caitiff are socially defined as the guys who don't know what Clan their Sire was, where a significant time lapsed before making contact with their Clan again. So a Malkavian who embraces someone and abandons them, giving them no clue what clan they are, will be seen as a Caitiff when they don't know what "Elysium" is. Whether they are mechanically Caitiff is another...
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