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  • Regardless, I doubt that anyone are going to use the Romani, so their book can be ignored because it only effects 0.1% of humanity. The much more insulting book was Kindred of the Ebony Kingdom, which castrated the Kindred of Sub-Saharan Africa, as well as missing the opportunity to explore the rich mythological traditions on one-sixth of humanity. While people may complain about the KotE, they got their own unique supernatural creature and thirteen books (plus an important role in the metaplot). What did Africa get other than one book of weak tea?
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  • Yes, I agree with your summary of the nature of Clans and Bloodlines. While the Nagaraja are not Kindred who would be accepted in Camarilla, I really do not see them as being any more inhuman than the Giovanni. And they are not incestuous necrophiliacs.

    So what if the Nagaraja have to eat human flesh? It is not like they need to eat living flesh, and they do not need to feed on human blood because they treat flesh points as blood points. If they just harvest the undonated internal organs of dead humans before they are embalmed, they could potentially support more Kindred than...
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  • I agree, though I think that is because of the name (Nagaraja is definitely South Asian while Ravnos is defiantly Eastern European). I think that anything that the Ravnos can do the Gangrel can do better (including relations with the Romani). I can imagine the Romani having a symbiotic relationship with the Gangrel, with the Gangrel bringing meat to the camps (in the form of blood drained animals) in exchange for a safe place to sleep during the day.

    The relationship with the Green Courts is a good point, and the Nagaraja could have similar relationships with other Shen. If they...
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  • I agree, but they would be one of the four Independent Clans in modern times, so they would not terribly care about the Camarilla or the Sabbat (except for a few Nagaraja that left the Clan for their own personal reasons). I imagine that they would be the Necromancers of Africa and Asia while the Giovanni would be the Necromancers of Australia, Europe, North America, and South America. The Giovanni and the Nagaraja would have a near genocidal relationship as the Nagaraja would think that the Giovanni were upstarts while the Giovanni would consider the Nagaraja to be a bunch of primitives. ...
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  • Replacing the Ravnos with the Nagajara

    I was wondering what would be the opinion of the community to upgrading the Nagajara to major Clan status and removing the Ravnos from VtM? The Nagaraja Clan would have been created from North African and Western Asian Mages who explored the secrets of death too closely around 2000 BC and would have achieved Clan status with the consumption of the Ravnos Clan around 1000 BC. The Nagaraja would have immigrated to South Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa after being driven from North Africa and West Asia by the other Clans around 0 AD because of their flesh eating and, after some conflict with the local...
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  • Aya Tari
    replied to Using Kuei-jin
    Heck, what is the Dark Kingdom of Jade other than a genocidal regime of Han Wraiths committing a race war against the Wraiths of every other ethnicity in Asia?
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  • Aya Tari
    replied to Fearless Vampire Hunters
    Well, the cattle are safe to feed on and provide revenue for the Chapter Houses (slaughterhouses rarely engage in cattle farming, by the way, they usually buy adult cattle from local farmers and then slaughter them). By having ten cattle and twenty pigs slaughtered every day, the female Kindred can benefit from an average of eight blood points every night, which means that they will be much better feed than the local Kindred. If they feed on humans once per week, they can support twenty 'captive' Kindred on the same population of humans that could support four 'free' Kindred.

    Anyway,...
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  • Aya Tari
    replied to Using Kuei-jin
    Yes, Risen are objectively different than KJ. Risen cannot eat, drink, have sex, reproduce, travel physically to the Low and Middle Umbra, use Rites, regain Chi through feeding on humans, use KJ Disciplines, effectively become gods through Enlightenment, etc. KJ are what folklore vampires are on every continent, from Africa to South America. Of course, the mechanics should be fixed for KJ, but that could be done fairly easily.
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  • Aya Tari
    replied to Fearless Vampire Hunters
    If you are talking about a society of Victorian men, they will probably kill the men and keep the women, and there would be no reason for them to change. Of course, the female Kindred will manipulate the situation and end up controlling the Society. They are provided for and protected by the Society and, through subtle manipulation, can send the Society against their enemies among the Kindred. From the viewpoint of the Society though, they are merely useful, if weak, chattel.
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  • Aya Tari
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    But 7500 blood points only requires 1500 cattle or 2500 pigs every year, which is nothing compared to the 30 million cattle and 140 million pigs slaughtered every year in the USA. Each chapter could just slaughter ten cattle and twenty pigs per day and sell the meat through local co-ops. I doubt that any Kindred tracks every one of the tens of thousands of small slaughterhouses in the USA.
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  • Aya Tari
    replied to Obfuscate flaws
    I agree that Nosferatu should shower before going anywhere. In my games, Obfuscate is just as it says in V20, only for vision, but every ST will have their own interpretation. Oh, and there are neurological reasons for the power to work only on vision, detailed sight is processed in a different place in the brain than other senses.
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  • Aya Tari
    replied to Using Kuei-jin
    Fortunately (or unfortunately), the majority of them come back without intelligence and have to be destroyed. If we assume that 10% of the population with Willpower 5+ go to Hell, only 1% of them seem to have the anger required to escape, and only 10% of them seem to survive long enough to regain intelligence and a level of Dharma, so their population could be 1:20,000 (equivalent to Changelings). Of course, young KJ have challenges when it comes to long term survival, so their actual population is up to the ST.
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  • Aya Tari
    replied to Obfuscate flaws
    But the power in V20 specifically does not work for any sense except for vision. The Kindred can make the illusion that they are of another sex, but anyone that got intimate would figure things out fairly quickly. The Kindred can make the illusion that burlap is silk, but anyone touching the clothing would know the difference. A Nosferatu can disguise themselves as a princess, but the smell of their filth will cause anyone within a few yards to question what they are seeing. Of course, you could have alternative forms of Obfuscate that focus on chemical (smell and taste) or vibration (hearing...
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  • Aya Tari
    replied to Using Kuei-jin
    I think that most of the mechanical problems of the KJ could be fixed fairly easily by giving them bonus dice in contests involving their Virtues against their P'o equal to their Dharma. With enlightenment, the KJ reach an inner peace with their P'o and the P'o starts to become an ally instead of an antagonist. Dhampyr, as they never gain Dharma, can never gain such a benefit.

    I generally have the KJ annihilating the Kindred with extreme prejudice when they encounter Kindred in their territories. The KJ can attack from the Yang World and the Yin World, as well as using their own...
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  • I would avoid Demons, Hsien, Inanimae, Mer, Reborn, and Risen because they will also be power magnets for various reasons. Your best bets would be Dhampyr (from KotE), Shih, Sorcerers (created with the Equality of All rules, with characters being allowed to be Ghouls, Kinain, or Kinfolk by taking the appropriate Merits).
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  • Aya Tari
    replied to Obfuscate flaws
    No, it is only a visual illusion because the text only states that it cause people to see a different face by creating a different visage, which is why smell and hearing can pierce the illusion. It is only the fault of the Kindred if they let their bad hygiene get them caught.
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  • Aya Tari
    replied to Using Kuei-jin
    The advantage the KJ have over Kindred in Asia is a supernatural infrastructure that supports them. Heck, even the Shih are willing to tolerate them as long as they keep to their divinely assigned roles, which the Kindred do not have in Asia. While the KJ know to be polite when the Shih come to town, the Kindred do not, and the Shih will end up killing any Kindred in the area while they will leave the KJ alone.

    The same thing applies to the other traditional Asian supernaturals. They might not like the KJ, but the KJ have a place in Asia, and the Kindred do not. As long as the...
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  • Aya Tari
    replied to Using Kuei-jin
    What can the ghouls do against KJ that cross over from the Low Umbra to eat them? Communist China should be the last place on Earth where Kindred make power plays. Of course, there will always be Kindred who try, but they will find themselves regretting their decision.
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  • Fera are very powerful, probably the most powerful beginning creatures in cWoD, so the Fera players would overshadow the non-Fera players. In addition, it is hard to threaten Fera characters without killing everything else off (unless you have every enemy inexplicably carrying silver weapons). Generally, I would suggest a Fera game or a non-Fera game, though you could have Kinfolk Sorcerers in a non-Fera game without any trouble if you wanted to have a reason for Fera NPCs to help out the group.
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  • Aya Tari
    started a topic Using Kuei-jin

    Using Kuei-jin

    While there is a certain amount of antipathy towards the KJ, they are actually quite effective against Kindred (and, due to their ability to travel to the Middle and Low Umbra, passable threats to Fera and Wraiths). When you have Yang Imbalanced KJ, their tolerance of sunlight and their ability to attack from the Middle or Low Umbra make them really effective enemies for Kindred groups. KJ can attack during the daytime, from either the Middle or Low Umbra, and can kill their Kindred targets before any Ghoul guards know that their master is under attack.

    With the dilution of Kindred...
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