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  • Solana
    replied to Sidebar on Transgender Dynasts
    First of all, you're assuming that the purpose of a debate (which is what this is, at this point) is to sway the other side, generally speaking it isn't. This is an open forum where anyone can read what we have to say, and if the person is on the fence, seeing either argument might be a deciding factor in what position they end up taking.

    "Why does it matter to you if people agree with you or not? It's a game." Someone might say.

    I enjoy arguing. I feel like arguing with people in this thread lets me sharpen the arguments I have for why I feel the way I do,...
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  • Solana
    replied to Sidebar on Transgender Dynasts
    How exactly are giving someone wings with terrestrial magic, and giving someone the ability to fly apropos of nothing with celestial magic, at all congruous with performing a sex change?

    For someone asking others to calm down, you could stand to take a few chill pills yourself....
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  • Solana
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    I think you really need to read any of the Lunar books, especially Glories of the Most High (Luna). I'm not arguing you create an entirely new trait, I'm arguing that the traits as they exist in humans already are analogous, you're just flipping a switch. Comparing a transition to giving someone fire-breathing is pretty silly when there are plenty of species that can transition their sexual characteristics without too much of an issue. Literally all sorcery would have to do, is enable that for humans.

    And how exactly does your Ars Magica Essential Nature theory play out? You're basically...
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  • Solana
    replied to Sidebar on Transgender Dynasts
    No, I understood what you were saying, I get the impression you don't understand what I was saying. It was late and it's possible I worded it badly.

    When it comes to sex characteristics, you don't really get to pick and choose what makes sense to be doable, and what *doesn't*. Again, the primary limitations in modern medicine stem from the method of transition themselves. When I said 'skin deep' or 'just cosmetic', I'm referring to the fact that you keep using phrases like 'internal structure', as if the internal structure of the body is some how different from restructuring fat,...
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    Last edited by Solana; 04-29-2019, 12:51 PM.

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  • Solana
    replied to Sidebar on Transgender Dynasts
    As a transwoman myself, how would you suggest I word it?...
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  • Solana
    replied to Sidebar on Transgender Dynasts
    Vance and I are just going to have to agree to disagree on that score. The wording is incredibly silly (all sorcery is supernatural). If you want to equate 'any' form of magic in Exalted to 'modern medicine', it would be Thaumaturgy, not Sorcery. To be blunt, if you're changing someone's bodies to the point where they have breasts, feminine bone structure - and continue to have that feminine appearance long after - it is fundamentally *no different* than just making them biologically female, with a working uterus and everything.

    Which brings us to:



    This...
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  • Solana
    replied to Sidebar on Transgender Dynasts
    Sister's the OP and she only showed me the link today. I haven't really been on these forums in ages. Sorry for the Necro : \...
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  • Solana
    replied to Sidebar on Transgender Dynasts
    I really like Isator levi's arguments, but I just don't know that I'd apply them here. I tend to side on the magic can help but doesn't fix everything side of the discussion in most cases, but I think if I work it out in my mind, it boils down to:

    "Terrestrial Circle Sorcery can change your appearance, but it can't make you capable of full reproduction."

    "Well why not?"

    "Because it only changes your appearance, like mundane surgery and hormones."

    "Mundane surgery and hormones being limited the way they are,...
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