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  • Except.... that's exactly what they are. Sure, they develop their own forms and do indeed march forward into the future rather than stagnating entirely.... but each of the traditions is essentially someone taking Magic As It Was, and enshrining it as the holy one way.

    The Technocracy's Enlightened Science on the other hand. Has changed drastically over the years in response to the shifting goals of the union itself. At one point, magical gems that allowed communication were allowed. And a few of them are even grandfathered in for particularly old members of Control since they don't...
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  • The Technocracy doesn't live in the shadows at all. It's just opaque on all but the surface levels. Just like the real government....
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  • To most Technocrats. The Consensus IS the world....
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  • As of Revised, in absence of a pogrom to pursue, Iteration X has made it a priority to kill vampires. Because they apparently can't live without an enemy to crush.

    In some ways, Iteration X's characterization reminds me of the D&D-esque murderhobo. Cut away the 'human' parts that give them character in order to gain mechanical advantages. Murder anything that opposes them even tangentially. Refer to the less warmongering conventions as cowards barely worthy of their partnership....
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  • Err no. They know the full extent of the Kindred population in any major population center. The guide to the Technocracy goes so far as to laugh at the Vampires for being too old school and focusing too much on the human element. It doesn't matter how many policemen you brainwash or mindwipe if the Union can scan the city and pick out the people who aren't actually alive.

    The reason why they don't care is because they're unaware of just how powerful older generation vampires can be. Or they were up until Operation Ragnarok....
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  • Enginseer-42
    replied to Harbingers of Avalon
    A man without government experience who nonetheless has played the game exactly as those who have it would have.

    He's also shot the TPP to pieces​ and at least spoken about killing NAFTA. And if those aren't syndicate projects, I don't know what is.

    His business savvy didn't get him into office, it was a drop in a bucket of politics as usual. Lies, propaganda, and speeches....
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  • Enginseer-42
    replied to Harbingers of Avalon
    Really? Seems to be the opposite to me. Everyone is baying for the blood of transnational corporations, and the present dude in office got in by whipping mobs into a frenzy rather than by greasing palms....
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  • Enginseer-42
    replied to Alchemy
    Paradigmatically, you could probably hack something out of the Humors theory of medicine and traditional alchemy. Alchemy was all about breaking down physical substances in order to rebuild them into 'higher' forms. Humors theory of medicine basically was a whacky version of chemistry were people were filled with various substances with different effects upon their health, mental and physical.

    So you use alchemy to create intensely refined versions of your natural humors to encourage certain traits. Or to create entirely 'new' humors in order to add things totally unnatural....
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  • Enginseer-42
    replied to Harbingers of Avalon
    See. That's something I can't see ever happening. The Syndicate trying that would suddenly find themselves drowning in bullets from killer cyborgs, and the government cracking down on their markets....
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  • There's also the fact that for much of their existence. The Order of Reason has considered vampires trivial. Sure they're there. And yes, they're wrong and bad. But it's like comparing someone who jaywalks to someone who drives a flaming bus through a crowded shopping mall and then tries to murder the survivors with a pickaxe. There are simply far more.... offensive offenders.

    Vampires generally keep their heads down and actively police themselves. Meaning that as far as the Order of Reason is concerned, they will secrecy themselves out of existence at some point.
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  • To be fair, that's like 90% of what makes the Technocratic Union themselves. Using magick in an intelligent manner.
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  • Enginseer-42
    replied to HAPPY ETHERITES DAY!
    My birthday is the holiday for feasting about discarded scientific theories.

    This is amazing.
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  • Unsure on M20.

    But in Revised, Artifacts were sort of like Rotes packaged with a Focus. A wand of fireball that helped you focus your will. Their main effect was that rather than needing however many miscilanious successes to devote to everything. you needed one. They did one thing, and they did that thing well. Inventions was an alternate word for this.

    Charms/Gadgets, were one use magical effects secured in objects. Destroy the object, release the magic. Their benefit was that they only required one success to activate, and the rolls for, and paradox backlash for, were...
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  • For the same reason that the Order of Hermes lost to the Order of Reason.

    They're obsessively hidebound, and arrogant to the point of disregarding potential threats. They don't adapt to their enemies until forced to, and even then not always. Tremere, for all his dumbassery, was not really the most 'hermetic' of hermetics. He had no problems with thinking outside the box and using tools outside the traditional.

    Combine that with the fact that Tremere as a house was excessively focused on politics, intrigue, and dueling, and you get a recipe for disaster.

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  • Enginseer-42
    replied to Life 2 : plants and trees
    I don't get the obsession with using spirit to make self aware things. That's Minds deal. And a very high level mind deal as well....
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  • Use the chaegh as an example for evil diviner....
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  • Enginseer-42
    replied to Is the Syndicate evil?
    To be fair, Iteration X has their ducks in a row as far as 'this is the future we want' and 'this is what we're doing'. Of course their ideology could be considered Darwinism at best, and psychotic perfectionism at worst....
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  • Enginseer-42
    replied to Staving off Paradox
    That's intended. And in fact what most mages do in character....
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  • Enginseer-42
    replied to Staving off Paradox
    As I understand it, it's the latter. It's a rule that kind of assumed you have a little paradox already. Meaning you increase the potential backlash.
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  • Enginseer-42
    replied to Verbena ritual
    The difference here, is the sacrificial mortal doesn't CONTAIN tass. They are, like every other thing, MADE OF tass. When you sacrifice a mortal for quintessence, what you're doing is unmaking them and trying to redirect some of the quintessence that spills from their form into your cup, rather than just back into the tapestry. You can do the same thing with physical objects and things as well.

    Since that quintessence is THEM, they say "No, you go fuck yourself" and defy gravity to make sure none of their life-juice goes into your cup.

    A vampires Vitae on the...
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