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  • Well yes. Just like the Technocracy considers it a win to give people horrific allergies to natural processes in order to combat the back to nature paradigm of the Verbena.

    At the end of the day, the Ascension war isn't pretty and the ones who suffer most are the sleepers....
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  • Alternatively, those issues are where we can see Traditionalist Victories in the Ascension war. Cell phones cause cancer? Of course they don't, says the Technocracy. But a few people showing up with cancer after spending too much time on their phones around a Verbena... Well. People get convinced. Just because the Technocrats caught them out by playing the game first, doesn't mean the traditions can't put their thumbs on the scale of consensus. The most blatant example of which is the Taftani and their sheer vulgarity carving out a reality zone in the middle east.

    And frankly, the...
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  • I fundamentally disagree with that notion. Fiction is a means of exploring ideas. Maxwell's Demon is not a political concept, despite being a fictional one. While it certainly allows one to reflect on 'what could be' in more or less real terms, the idea that you could somehow spin Maxwell's Demon into a political stance is a nonsensical one.

    Likewise, the idea that the world of Mage the Ascension, for all that it uses Trappings of our world, could have meaningful political relevance given it shares none of the reality our political structure is based upon is.... well, flawed....
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  • And that at it's core is kind of my issue. They let politics basically dictate that the Union could no longer be the Union, but because of that departure point the whole setting no longer makes sense.

    Because fundementally the world of mage is not our world. In mage, mainstream science is a bunch of lies and you prove it every single time your hermetic hurls a fireball across the street using an Enochian chant. The Etherites prove it every time they break the laws of physics over their knees using disproven science from the dustbin of history. Or a Verbena uses a handful of blood...
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  • The issue is even with that, it's still a sharp divide from the post-avatar storm Technocracy. Because 'Actual Science and Discovery' have never been the Technocrats MO or principles. They have always been about building a utopia on lies because without the lies there is only madness and chaos, and as long as the masses believe those lies, the lies become truth. This is the primary dividing principle between Etherites and Technocrats.

    Etherites practice actual science of a form we would recognize today. Hypothesis, Experiment, record observations, make conclusions. Technocrats are...
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  • That's more or less what I figured they were going for, but I personally didn't really see it as... working. It felt like they tried way too hard.

    In any case my main issue is not with the presentation so much as it is the actual way it's presented. Because it is the exact opposite of the shortened explanation of it back in Guide to the Technocracy.

    To quote the Guide to the Technocracy "If these models can't be fixed to represent the real world, then the world must be altered to fit the Technocracy's Abstractions." In Guide to the Technocracy it is very much...
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  • Anyone else dissapointed with Article 4?

    So, I downloaded my Backer copy of Technocracy Reloaded today, and took a look at the explanations for the Precepts of Damian.

    While the overall tone was grating, the punk cuss like a sailor thing doesn't really feel Technocrat to me, I was actively dismayed by their explanation for Article 4. The explanation they gave is so far off base it somehow managed to convey the exact opposite of what I'd been given to understand was it's meaning.
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