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  • CeltSPZ
    replied to Klaive question of size
    I do own the replica klaive from White Wolf, but I currently lack measuring tape....if no one else can measure that directly until then I can try to get around to it by Sunday
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  • I have to disagree with the first half of the post. Sure you can have people migrate, but White Wolf put a lot of effort in "othering" Asia and Asian culture while putting Garou everywhere and making it possible for any tribe to pop up wherever you can find members of the Garou nation. This is something that always bothered me about WoD. It always read like West is West and East is East in an effort to make the East come off as mysterious, different and more of an Anime or Kung Fu film then a part of the same world that the Garou and Kindred run in. When it does talk about character...
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  • Don't think Cthulhu would be Wyrm?...
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  • I guess that part maters more on where you want to center your game. A Yama Queen makes them specifically Eastern, while Frog could be anywhere....
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    Last edited by CeltSPZ; 10-15-2018, 08:22 PM.

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  • Is it too cliche to just go with Frog? Could be the result of Garou assistance who feel cleansing these little C.H.U.D.s as a form of penance for the War of Rage....
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  • CeltSPZ
    replied to A Greater Canid Breed
    Rabbit is a big player as well...however in terms of Coyote, their traditional range is not East of the Mississippi. Their range expanded as Europeans decimated the wolf populations of the East, as a result they are not really featured in Eastern Native lore (at least none that I am familiar with)....
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  • Actually, very happy with this list and will be co-opting it for my own games....
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  • CeltSPZ
    replied to A Greater Canid Breed
    Toss in turtles/tortoises fill the trickster slot in many East Coast native lore (no Coyotes or Ravens in these areas) and in many African tales as well....
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  • CeltSPZ
    replied to A Greater Canid Breed
    actually that would be pretty cool, could go with many myths about how water is the gateway to another world. Also on a neat note there is evidence that early Anatolian cultures saw turtles as guides for the dead as well.

    As for the Nuwisha, for me it was always about being pranksters first. Maybe I missed out on some myths that back up all the umbral stuff for the Nuwisha. Personally I always thought the Corax should have been better then the Nuwisha with that since they are all about finding information and spreading information (granted I maybe missing some Corax stuff, just...
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  • CeltSPZ
    replied to A Greater Canid Breed
    Alright I could get behind that, granted still access armor...
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  • CeltSPZ
    replied to A Greater Canid Breed
    Sure (European ones would be long gone) but to lose them from the Americas I think would be rather tragic. Aside from the awesomeness that is snapping turtles (both common and alligator!), First Nations lore is filled with turtles filling that niche as well. I think it could also add a lot more fun with the Croatan as well. Not having the Ao be only Asian also helps cut down on TMNT/Mater Oogway jokes (at least it does for me).

    (toss in IRL turtle's aren't fairing so well in Asia, Asia has the the bulk of the most endangered turtles according to the Turtle Survival Alliance )...
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    Last edited by CeltSPZ; 10-12-2018, 08:32 PM.

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  • CeltSPZ
    replied to A Greater Canid Breed
    Eat the Zhong Lung? Just want a clarification on that (assuming auto correct is affecting things)....
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  • CeltSPZ
    replied to A Greater Canid Breed
    I always saw the Mokole as more "werereptile" then anything specific because they had to go and toss lizards into the mix, and had custom made battle forms where you could be either a dragon or a dinosaur. Sure the Nagah were different but my first exposure to the changing breeds was via Rage the CCG, the 1st ed players guide, then eventually the Mokole breed book. To me Nagah were a dead urban legend for most of my formative playing years (until I saw the breed book in person, which was 6 years of playing by that point). By this point my original gaming group had home brewed up so...
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  • CeltSPZ
    replied to A Greater Canid Breed
    Well when you start to say that an ethnic tribe is no different from a cross tribe camp....then what's the point of tribes? what do you mean when you say tribe? If you say "Focuses on Nobility" or "rejects humanity" is as cross tribal as "Celtic", "Germanic" or "diasporic Egyptian", then what is your basis for tribe at all? If its to be more in line with Mokole Varna then that's a totally definition of how I'm dealing with it. For me just because you turn into a wolf or a coyote or a jackal isn't a lot to base your tribe (a cultural commonality)...
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  • CeltSPZ
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    I don't like the idea of ethnic tribes being limited by breed. That brings back the idea of "blood" and not culture. Also I don't see why Striders can't be an 'ethnic' tribe as well. You're highlighting the jackals sure, but these are also a nomadic people who carry chunks of Egyptian culture (no matter how accurate) with a emphasis on diaspora. This is a huge basis for an ethnic tribe, that expands past the concept of jackals. They may have jackals with them, but cannon also highlights the Etheopian wolf as a major kinfolk source (granted Rage CCG with Walks with Might's art may have...
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  • CeltSPZ
    replied to A Greater Canid Breed
    Personally I don't see why not, especially if you take the word "ethnic" in a more sociological standpoint then how most Americans wield it. Make it the result of strong cultural ties, and not so much about blood or decent. People often forget for example that for the Celts, and Slavs it was more about language and custom then it was about ancestry. In this sense of the word I'm entirely for the concept of human ethnicities leaving a strong mark on some of the tribes like the Wendigo, Fenrir, and Fianna. Maybe don't make it about "well I'm a quarter Irish, a quarter German, quarter...
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  • CeltSPZ
    replied to No Maned Wolf fera?
    CB20 has the Celican listed as looking like house cats but the size of "panthers" granted what that means exactly could be anyone's guess (never liked the term due to it being a specific genius at its most specific). IT also states some say they started as maneless lions, while others point to Scottish wild cats (that a huge difference.), while others say they are Cat-Si then Shattered Dreams states they started as maneless lion Euro-Simba, then became Celican but doesn't state what this means exactly.
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  • CeltSPZ
    replied to No Maned Wolf fera?
    Small glitch in terms BUT i do agree with the spirit of your point (any marsupial being really distant from any placental shifter)....
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  • CeltSPZ
    replied to Uniting the Tribes?
    Didnt think I had to respond as a GarouπŸŠπŸ’πŸ¦ŽπŸ²πŸ‰πŸ¦•πŸ¦–...
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  • CeltSPZ
    replied to No Maned Wolf fera?
    Aren't the Celican European wild cats? Even more housecat like and less lion......
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