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[Asmodai]

But the games make quite a distinct line between dark gods (and quite a few splats are anything but squeamish about their practices) and entities inimical to human existence. Infernalists and BSD's traffic and serve those. The Nephandi are inimical to human existence and think themselves better then these entities, but commonly engage with them.

So it's not about nomenclature in the WOD, it's about what they do. If Satan is really about corruption, debasement and servitude he's on the naughty list. Now if he's actually a fallen angel fighting against a corrupt God and seeiking to...

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... wait, what? Also, why are they taking the Russian V20 team out there? Is this a press junket for Russian Vampire or is this an actual attack on Paradox (also, American company, hah)?...

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What will be your next book project?

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I've stated that it's vapourware. Not that it's never coming out.

- announcement almost two years ago means that it has been in production for longer then that
- they have a design element for forums on their webpage that does not work
- bunch of concept art is generous for what they have actually shown
- what the guy in Paradox knows is that it's licensed and that the publisher has paid their dues and that they did not contravene any deadlines agreed upon by the former WW team, that doesn't mean he has direct oversight of the production or that the old WW crew did....

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I know you've been on the Mage forums here and elsewhere and you know that not to be true. Revised got better when they went out of their way to reverse the changes they made in the opening of Revised. The streams only finally calmed down with M20....

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One should consider that there is even more then the recent controversy here... It's been almost three years since Paradox had founded the White Wolf Publishing company to show off and capitalise on their new shiny IP. What do they have to show three years later?

• Betting machines
• Two mediocre visual novels, one of which stirred a hornet's nest with its creepy shit
• The most controversial edition of Vampire
• A vapourware Werewolf computer gamesa
• ... and a line of Vampire lipsticks

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One should consider that there is even more then the recent controversy here... It's been almost three years since Paradox had founded the White Wolf Publishing company to show off and capitalise on their new shiny IP. What do they have to show three years later?

• Betting machines
• Two mediocre visual novels, one of which stirred a hornet's nest with its creepy shit
• The most controversial edition of Vampire
• A vapourware Werewolf computer game
• ... and a line of Vampire lipsticks

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A lot of reasoning in the writeups for the Garou in BNS make no bloody sense in context of everything that is presented in the RPG. That's the main reason why most of us balked when the writeups were posted......

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Ascension was a pretty bad book that missed the point of Mage. "The End Times are Upon us" was never really a major theme of Mage, and just forcing random apocalypses on players is not the way to go.

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I'm pretty sure those are new ones for Wyrm20. Banes are multitudinous and bizzare. Go by general bane description and behavior in the Umbra/Wyrm books and then go crazy. A lot of things in Werewolf are one note references that are just meant to make you think "hmmm, this is interesting, what can I do with this?"

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Uh. Book of Chantries? It is a thing you know....

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I liked it, what was the story behind its writing?...

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I always considered this as inconsistent wording on the authors side, compounded by the copy pasta from former editions. I don't think they actually intended for the bonuses to be so strangely specific. Most of the rules in Werewolf are simpler then that. I guess this is something that's down to the ST, but I've always concluded that the bonuses would allow them to go over the normal maximums - it's not like it breaks anything in the game......

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... just when I was startign to forget that clusterfuck....

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Well not in Wraith, Werewolf or Mage. I'm not sure I've seen it called that in Vampire, but I don't have all the necromancy/thaumaturgy books. In Wraith there was a reference to the depths of the Tempest (the Underworld sea) as the abyss, but I think that's a reference to te depths rather then it being the Abyssal realm. Especially as the Abyss seen in Werewolf and Mage is a botomless pit with strange caves filled with dark stuff and darker things everywhere....

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That's... actually Vampire in a microcosm....