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  • 'Outside Fate' was a thing in First Edition as well, but it wasn't so tightly codified. We didn't see a lot of attention paid to things that were genuinely FATELESS (things out of the Wyld, and out of Malfeas), and it was implied that reading the fates of the Underworld was a discipline that Sidereals and other agents of destiny could learn, engage in, and then contrast with the plans laid out by the bureau of destiny. Resultantly, 'Outside Fate' still registered as a thing that Sidereals could largely PLAN FOR in First Edition because there were mechanisms for countering most things that were...
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  • In fairness, we don't know how many poison skittles were in the 'Redeem the Solars' bag, but it's heavily implied that at the time, there were more poisoned ones than nonpoisoned ones... like, potentially at a 99-to-1 ratio or more.

    Under those circumstances, even the most starry-eyed of idealists (if operating outside the grips of the Great Curse and the way it shoves Sidereals into Problematic Groupthink) would have to admit that those are BAD ODDS, and not a risk worth taking.

    There's a reason people don't play Russian Roulette with six bullets gambling that the...
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  • Exactly. Kelly had already used the 'pragmatic vs. idealistic' language in the post I was referencing, and 'doing what's right' is an extremely common colloquialism for making a choice based on personal ideals, to the point that given context, I was reasonably certain no one was likely to split a hair about it.

    The core of the issue between the two factions is that they're both trying to do what's best for Creation, but the Bronze are inherently adverse to taking risks that could undermine basic survival, while the Gold are willing to take risks if it means the potential for an outcome...
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  • Honestly, I think Kelly pretty much nailed it. The Gold and Bronze factions may've initially cemented around the visions presented in the Great Prophecy, but after the Usurpation, the position on Solars was likely less relevant than the underlying ideological differences of doing what's PRACTICAL versus doing what's RIGHT. I suspect that they probably retained the Bronze/Gold language, but they probably weren't clashing over 'who got the Solar issue right' for 15 centuries. A core of Bronze agents centered around Kejak probably directly implemented the Wyld Hunt, while a core of Gold agents probably...
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