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  • I don't know what Sworn beats come from, but they sounded like they can show up regardless of whether the Contagion is in town. You can probably have very fun storylines involving the Sworn without the Contagion being involved....
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  • Assuming you mean the Congo, a huge part of Beast is about inflicting instructive nightmares; that's essentially the function of the Primordial Dream, according to Building a Legend. Information that normally you can't get more than once (ie. "big man eating monster lives in yonder wasteland") can be disseminated that way to the masses on a subconscious level. In a more general sense, predators that engage in intimidation displays are trying to stop a fight from happening.

    In a more general sense, beasts tend to be protective of their territories and they can't benefit much...
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  • Its a merit, but at least its a merit that can get you 10-50 essence and a ton of powers that is normally only allowed for wascally rivals/antagonists.
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  • Legendary Horror may let you get some Influence and Numina that will be of use.
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  • Extreme depression for the Hollow/Intolerance one etc....
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  • Soul shock requires an ES Vampires are significantly more likely to kill someone involuntarily than a beast is to scuff up their psyche with a nightmare. And I don't see anything suggesting its a breaking point....
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  • 1. CoC doesn't have to be postmodern neopagan.
    2. Beasts are killed by heroes of their culture and other cultures....
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  • Of course they're going to be people -- until they lose language and tool use.

    If you houserule beasts to have to be these awful, constant bastards, then yeah, the result is that they're going to be boring. That's why I don't get people who want ABAB (All Beasts Are Bastards). They sit at a nice, comfy level of moral ambiguity; you occasionally have to push someone's buttons, but you don't have to go so far as say, draining their will like a changeling, draining their health like a vampire, or inflicting breaking points....
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  • What are the benefits, in your mind, to reducing the number of character concepts in Beast in this fashion, by making them all Enablers?...
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  • Deinos
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    While weak, NPC heroes still are people who killed beasts (I think), so the ST is justified at making them hella badass profession 5 fated ferocity 5 "one shot you in one action" dudes.

    PC heroes, on the other hand, are people who can be babbysitted by a brood, and hand fed any Evil Beast Villains they come across to deliver coup de graces. You use Real World to block enemy beasts....
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  • Enablers tho. They even can be explicitly about transgressions against bad beliefs and there are already rules for changing the collective unconscious, becoming a living myth, and so forth....
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  • I dunno, I went to beasts in part due to having room for greater variety than vampires, and for generally striking me as less awful than vampires. Any splat you don't like is going to come off as limited. Afterall, vampires are limited to only being negative and destructive towards humans, and the game lectures you on how trying to be anything but that is doomed to fail.

    Beasts, on the other hand, can range the gamut of morality and the game doesn't sneer at you for being a good person, being a positive influence on people's lives, etc. Just as morality and society wise you can do...
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  • Well, this thread has improved my view on lessons a lot. Still not gonna frequently use em, but use of nightmares as deterrents might be more fun.
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  • For some reason I like this a lot better. That characterization of the Crucible Initiative makes it a lot easier to see why they might work with other False (not often, but the PCs) and easier to have fun playing as one. The False have this "I am a genius! OH NO!" feel I love.



    Yeah, the mechanics strike me as leading to that as well....
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  • The Oneiros *is* the personal soul, and is stated to be your soul many many times in both Mage 2e core and Astral Realms, so when you switch souls, you're almost certainly switching oneiroi.
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  • True, but that's... not actually how Humanity works, for anyone but them....
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  • Like, strix and true fae look like they can just use the changeling and vampire versions. Insatiables can probably use the infected lair thing. Slashers may be able to use the hunter version.

    But what about ghosts, spirits, angels, pandorans, and maybe heroes? They could all definitely use Contagion vector edges.
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  • There's still homecomings.

    "With her soul cleared away and the Horror finally replacing it, she claims a birthright she never knew she had. For Beasts Devoured by other Beasts, they have a big sibling to welcome them to their new family. For Beasts who experience the Devouring spontaneously, the Devouring is more of a homecoming."

    Though that being said, one element I approve of in Beast is finding out things are going to be all right and that you aren't messed up anymore; its rarely, if ever, an inarguably benevolent act to embrace someone, but proto-beasts...
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  • Contagion Vector Edges for Antagonist Splats

    Is there any chance we could get these? In particular, because Control Contagion is so splat dependent.
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  • Everything in the setting can be "ACKSHUALLY'd" by "the ST can say no," there's no need to point that out....
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