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  • Which kind of gets into the issue of the fact the books have never really done a great job of establishing what an Anarch domain looks like. The Los Angeles domains are basically "shittier Princedoms" and there's no Maldavis or even Anita Wainwright alternatives. It's probably the saddest thing you can say about LA by Night that Louis Fortier seems like the best buy to be under and he's the most blatantly Camarilla-esque.

    LA By Night the web series shows a much better run Anarch domain under Isaac Abrams and that IS basically "A Prince by any other name" too....
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  • Honestly, I feel like it's weird they didn't take MORE from Requiem regarding the Anarchs.

    I've felt a lot of Requiem got co-opted for V5 and this isn't an insult. It's like how a huge amount of ULTIMATE Marvel ended up in the mainstream comicsverse and MCU.

    There's a lot of good ideas.

    Part of what makes the Carthians so interesting is that there's a massive IQ boost to the Anarchs in that the majority of them are less likey to be leather-jacket wearing thugs and more likely to be University educated thinkers who question the validity of a Feudal system...
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  • Why be an Anarch? I mean, the reason is obvious: feudalism sucks if you're not the king.

    Eh,

    My take on the Anarchs is something that's a bit more forgiving than most people. I think most Anarchs are actually quite reasonable in their demands but the problem is that a lot of fans are not taking the time to recognize how fundamentally INSANE the situation is. They're used to "buying in" to the oddities of a RPG so they ignore that almost everyone not born into the Ventrue, Toreador, or Tremere will be inclined to Anarchism.

    Essentially, you awaken...
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  • This is because Anarchs are related to the Anarchy as a British period (meaning "without rule") of history and predates anarchism (small a) as a philosophy....
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  • I did a RPG.net review of LA by Night and basically my problem with the book was the following points:

    1. The Anarchs are exposed as basically identical to the Camarilla. Instead of Princes, you have Barons, and they enforce their territory with gangs that kill anyone who feeds in their territory that they don't like (or just beats them up if they're nice). In short, the Anarchs look like they have absolutely no interest in "reforming" Kindred society, they just hate that they're not in charge.

    2. The game only shows variations on the same archetypes of Brujah,...
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  • CTPhipps
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    There's a good argument the Lasombra got overly nerfed all round.

    The Technology Flaw is crippling.

    Why also cripple the already-downgraded Obternation....
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  • CTPhipps
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    I'm going to continue my, "I like V5 but really only OPP's V5." Which I think I've probably beaten like a dead horse but I'm going to continue saying because I think their Chicago by Night 5E is one of the best supplements ever created.

    Basically, OPP solves the issue by having Anarchs and Camarilla forces sharing the same city as well as competing for resources rather than having "Anarch territory, Blood Cult territory, Camarilla territory." Kevin Jackson rules over the "good' parts of Chicago but the Anarchs are powerful and numerous enough that they have...
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  • Leave the thread, Kammerer. Also take an infraction for a personal attack.
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  • CTPhipps
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    I concede I was misreading the text and that MarkK is correct.
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  • CTPhipps
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    My apologies, I'm clearly misconstruing what you are saying. Is what you're asking about whether or not the Brujah being not a majority Anarch? This is sincere as I'm just making sure that what you're having a problem with is my claim that they are not the majority of the clan. In which case, that is something that I believe has been established by the Brujah Clanbooks where the two guides to the Clan heavily emphasize that the Neonate population and Ancilla populations are defined by Rebellion against the Status Quo. I did not understand that you were objecting to the idea of the Brujah being...
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  • CTPhipps
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    MarkK, you DID know that the Camarilla considered Anarchs part of the Camarilla, right?

    This isn't me making up things.

    This was a long established part of the setting and a major reason that they were tolerated. It's part of the Convention of Thorns that they were part of the Camarilla and was illegal for the Princes to persecute them because they were Anarchs.

    Them being cast out with the Brujah is a big change.

    This is not new or an interpretation.



    Yes, you persuaded me that it wasn't perfect as a move. Which I thought...
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  • CTPhipps
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    As an example of how a Clan leaving doesn't affect the power base of individual vampires in the Ivory Tower.



    From my perspective, the Brujah have always been primarily Anarchs in terms of numbers. It's just the Camarilla stupidly considered all Anarchs part of the Camarilla....
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  • CTPhipps
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    Basically, I'm asking what Brujah you think were kicked out that would benefit over staying? No, they don't have a Justicar or inner councilman but Maxwell is still a Prince (albeit of Gary), the Wolf Pack are still Archons (albeit Gangrel), and Critias is still Primogen.

    Basically, the Brujah lost some prestige but the Hellenistic ones are still there.

    Why? Because they were invested in the system.

    Really, they just expelled most of the ANARCHS from the Camarilla....
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  • CTPhipps
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    The entire Black Hand book because the reason they don't lose their cities is the Sabbat abandoned them first....
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  • CTPhipps
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    There's some definite V5 reasons for why the people did what they did. If you don't like V5 developments, of course they won't be that way.

    1. Why did the Camarilla jettison the Brujah: The idea is that the Camarilla no longer felt the desire to waste resources on the Brujah given that they were part of the assassination of Hardelstadt. The Camarilla is "hunkering down" throughout V5 and attempting to preserve the wealthy and powerful of their ranks as well as presumably the non-Beckoned Elders because it's a gerontocracy. Everyone else is getting thrown to the wolves....
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  • CTPhipps
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    All the rich Brujah stayed with the Camarilla.

    All the Camarilla lost was a Justicar, an Inner Councilman (who was assassinated anyway according to THE CAMARILLA), and the need to protect the Neonates of the most rebellious clan.

    And the Lasombra didn't lose a dime. The Sabbat as they stand aren't going to be able to wage economic warfare on the Lasombra....
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  • CTPhipps
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    I mean, that's why the Camarilla has them kill a Sabbat on the way out.

    To burn their past bridges and cripple the Sabbat.

    The Camarilla wins, the Lasombra wins.

    They also get the Lasombra's wealth and power when they need it most....
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  • CTPhipps
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    I've mentioned my own perspective that I don't think the Lasombra were incompetent because they got accepted for doing what they would do anyway.

    The Lasombra had to kill all the Lasombra in the Sabbat on the way out so they didn't have their Clan seeking revenge and they even negotiated it so a "Sabbat" elder for every Lasombra defection.

    They played Kevin Jackson like a fiddle....
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  • Yeah, OPP has already updated the True Hand....
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  • Let's not describe anyone's mythologies as super-weird. After all, mythologies are by nature SUPER natural....
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