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  • CTPhipps
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat in V5
    THIN BLOODS IN THE SABBAT!? UNPOSSIBLE!
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  • It also still benefits the Movement if the goal is to carve up the Camarilla's territories like a cake. The Anarchs benefit because the Camarilla weakens even if the freedom of Washington DC doesn't go up.

    Which is an immensely cynical read of the Movement but not necessarily an incorrect one....
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  • CTPhipps
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    Yeah, La Croix wanted to essentially show he COULD enforce a Blood Hunt and execution on the Anarchs. Except by not being willing to face Nines there, he showed he couldn't under actual objection.

    Nice subtle storytelling.

    As stated in one of my games, "How do you know if someone is a Prince? They can get away with doing what a Prince does."...
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  • Probably, but the Anarchs are referred to as such in universe.



    Perhaps but the thing is that Anarchs from the 12th century are still around too and influencing politics.

    See: Tyler.

    Which is to say that that I always think its a good idea not to get too into "realism" and just accept the fantastical origins of things of themselves. Which is that Anarch philosophy is a thing that has existed in-universe for 800 years among vampires.

    YMMV.



    I suppose it's a case of how cynical you wish to be about...
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  • Which leaves the most important number of them all: that you can feed on all these without tipping off any humans that you're doing it that reveals the existence of vampires and results in a massive Inquisition.

    Because not only do you need all of the blood here above but you need to do it in such a way that the existence of vampires is never even expected.

    Maybe not 1:100K but closer.

    I'm just saying....
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  • Which runs into the fact that vampires don't WANT to avoid each other generally. They actively seek each other out and if they were completely alone in a city, they'd quickly Embrace new vampires to fill it up.

    Mind you, you're not wrong. I think the most hilarious and yet accurate idea of CHICAGO BY NIGHT 5TH EDITION is the revelation there were apparently an additional 20-40 vampires in the gay and trans community and an entire Lilith-worshiping Caitiff empire that Lodin's brood did not know about.

    And then its like, "Who the hell are these guys?"...
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  • I actually think those numbers don't work at all but I'm someone who has put an inordinant amount of thought into my silly vampire game as well as the idea that vampires are people who have a lot of preferences. Feel free to disagree and I welcome your insights into this matter but this is what I have thought about vampire competition for resources.

    1. Assuming 1 Blood Point equals a pint of blood, drinking from the same person every night will kill them. So you must drink from multiple vessels without them ever being drank from regularly.

    2. 1:10000 sounds like its perfectly...
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  • A couple of points:

    1. In the World of Darkness, it is very likely the term "Anarch" among vampires isn't a reference to anarchism as a political philosophy. The Anarchist political philosophy was a product of the 18th century but vampire Anarchs referred to as Anarchs have existed since the 12th century (600 years earlier). Vampire Anarchs is thus likely to be a reference to "The Anarchy" of England in all likelihood (1135 to 1153) during the Civil War of King Stephen and Empress Matilda.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anarchy

    The...
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  • CTPhipps
    replied to LA BY NIGHT is back!
    Well we know he drained one dry on-camera but I don't know what he has been doing with the ones that he's hunting down for "Archangel" as of last episode to "free" their ghouls....
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  • CTPhipps
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat in V5
    My general take is COTERIES OF NEW YORK with unsanctioned childer. If you can prove a vampire was Embraced in a city without permission they will be killed by the Prince along with their sire: 1:1.

    The EXCEPTION being if one of the court takes responsibility for them. Which isn't as unlikely as you think because that vampire is something the Harpy can do almost anything to: blood bond, enslave, abuse, or kill. It's basically a free minion.

    La Croix showed how his reign wasn't secure because killing ONE was enough but not the childe and the sire.
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  • Generally, the thing with declaring Praxis is it boils down two things, IMHO:

    1. You get people to respect your declarations.
    2. You can and do punish anyone who doesn't obey your declarations and no one stops you.
    Basically, if you declare Praxis and show up at Elysium the answer of whether you're Prince is answered by anyone challenging you.

    And then you ripping their heart out or threatening to and no one stopping you....
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  • I believe 1:100K is actually the "safe" number of vampires to be in an area without detection. I believe for exactly the reasons you describe.

    How overpopulated vampiredom is an interesting question.

    Also affected by how many other supernaturals are in your World of Darkness.

    Still, I think you underestimate how much vampires are likely to feud. Even if the numbers are closer to a high school than a nation....
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  • Further conversation on it will result in infractions. Drop it guys.
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  • My general view of the Anarchs is the fact that you don't actually have to choose motivations for the majority of them and that their "membership" in the Movement isn't necessarily going to be something that is solely driven by one factor or another.

    Reasons to be an Anarch

    1. A vampire that has successfully pissed off the Prince is going to have to either leave town or seek allies against persecution. This is basically what drives the Fledgling in LA by Night since they were "born a crime."
    2. A vampire might actually join the Anarchs for power....
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  • CTPhipps
    replied to LA BY NIGHT is back!
    Though it is fun that Cynthia Marie is the tannest vampiress ever. I assume it's the Blush of Life.



    I admit I do have one complaint about this final leg of the adventure that Jason is being a little free with the Humanity degeneration. Alex Ward is enjoying making his Nosferatu a lot more evil than the rest of the coterie with the fact he's engaged in apparently regularly diablerie. By pretty much any Edition's rules, he's she should be getting close to wightdom now.
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  • Please avoid making sweeping statements about gender essentialism and what biological drives to cheat or not here. It's drifted into off-topic too.

    Just a warning.
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  • It makes sense. They were Anarchs when it was that or death at the hands of the Camarilla but with the Council of Seven gone, the Loyalists can't go after them directly and the rest of the Camarilla couldn't care less about their feud....
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  • V5

    What killed the Anarch/Camarilla detente was not any grand act of tyranny on behalf of the Camarilla or some great victory on the part of the Movement. Instead, the big issue that changed everything was the Anarchs becoming more like their enemies.

    The Second Inquisition, Gehenna Wars, and Beckoning may not have destroyed the old vampire society but it created a power vacuum that made a lot of positions open that would previously have required decades or even centuries of careful maneuvering to acquire. Instead, it became possible for gangs of Anarchs to take over...
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  • My take on the Anarchs is that they're two very different groups between V1 to V20 and V5.

    V1 to V20

    The Anarchs are simultaneously a safety valve and a source of continuous pressure on vampire society from the Convention of Thorns onward. The idea behind their "legality" in the Camarilla seems like it would have been a mistake from such seasoned players of the game. However, by making the Anarchs legal as a political position, the Camarilla was able to keep an eye on the trouble makers and also co-opt or divide them.

    As much as the Camarilla gets...
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  • [World-Building] How do you do the Anarchs?

    Inspired by MyWifeIsScary's excellent post on the subject in the Sabbat thread: http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/m...63#post1460463



    I'm curious how you do your Anarchs.

    What's their relationship to the Camarilla, size, and power?

    How relevant are they?

    And other bits....
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