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  • Whenever I use the SI, I emphasize they're a bunch of pricks.

    The things I include when I include them are:

    * The SI targets the Touchstones, slaves, Herds, and connections of vampires indiscriminately. People find their lives ruined, kidnapped, tortured, and killed for no reason other than "perceived" vampire help.
    * The SI performs hideous medical experiments because they want to gain vampiric powers for themselves.
    * The SI kills witnesses and people in their way without hesitation. An ATF agent questioning smuggling weapons? Well, he and his...
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  • I try to make the Inquisition a bunch of psychopaths and not remotely heroic antagonists. It makes the story more interesting to me.
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  • Debts Repaid

    Type: Fiction

    Analysis: I think this should have been called "The Last Ride of Ramrod" even if this would have been a spoiler as to what happens in the book. Basically, despite the Wolf Pack didn't have a write-up within the book, it has the character of Ramrod trying to make amends with his wayward Anarch progeny before he's killed. Interestingly, Ramrod chooses to sacrifice his own life to make sure his coterie survives.

    It's a rare happening when a vampire chooses to do the noble thing versus the selfish or cowardly. It's especially...
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  • Please don't necro threads again....
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  • I suppose the real question is what is the best way to use the SI in your games?

    Boogeyman? Cannon fodder? Looming threat off-screen?...
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  • I think its a very striking piece of art and certainly attention getting. I prefer THE CHICAGO FOLIO art, though, because that struck me as a bit more related to the subject matter. It probably was also a better choice than just another cityscape like CBN or The Fall of London....
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    started a topic [WIR] Let the Streets Run Red

    [WIR] Let the Streets Run Red



    I'm very fond of doing deep dives into Vampire: The Masquerade products and have enjoyed all the WIRs on this forum whether by Grumpy RPG Reviews or myself. It was a choice between doing Cults of the Blood Gods or Let the Streets Run Red. Despite having done some discussion of the latter already, I've decided to do the latter first and hopefully will get around to the former sometime later in the year. I hope my fellow posters will participate in this and we can discuss all the wonderful weird things about this supplement.

    I'm looking forward to discussing this book...
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    Phipps.

    As a general rule, I try to avoid banning people. I just try to warn people against attacking other posters or developers....
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  • My argument is that there are weaknesses and the SI will screw up. I also argue that vampires by and large won't automatically be able to wrap up the entire network because of it but are more likely to protect themselves then use it against their enemies.

    I don't believe the SI is invincible. I believe it's just dangerous....
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  • There's a great moment in LA By Night (The Web Series) where Jasper points out the Nosferatu were arrogant about their ability to outfight the NSA because computers are a new creation (relatively speaking)., As such, humans were entirely capable of being as good at it as vampires were....
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  • Honestly, no.

    Or they would be Ronin.

    Garou might equate Gaia and the religions of their mortal years like Buddha (Stargazers) or Christianity (Some Children of Gaia) or paganism (Get and Black Furies) but the Garou are in a unique position in the World of Darkness that they are fully capable of speaking with their gods as well as instinctively knowing their purpose in the universe.

    They don't so much worship Gaia as know she exists and that she created them.

    Changelings and Demons are similar in that they know their faiths are true....
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  • Overpopulation was always established as a massive problem in the setting. Also, there's actually the argument that Thin Bloods are the most evolutionarily advantaged to surviving.

    They don't have frenzies, they can be active during the day [even if sunlight immunity is rare], and can live off of non-lethal amounts of blood.

    They also don't register as "blanks" and depending on how people justify racism against them in the setting, it'd be interesting to see how that affects thing....
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  • Well the thing is that it is NOT one large organized group. It is a umbrella term for a bunch of vampire-hunting organizations and hunters sharing resources and supporting one another. The Kindred don't know this, for the most part, because they don't know anything about the Second Inquisition. That's partially why they haven't been able to crush it and the fact that its successes are being propped up by other Kindred trying to use it.

    OPERATION: ANTIGEN for example is a alliance of the Arcanum, SAS, Knights of Saint George, and London Police Department with the secret support of...
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  • A simpler rebuttal is no, most vampires aren't insane morons, but only a fraction of them are ubermensch geniuses like Grand Admiral Thrawn or Lex Luthor. There ARE insane morons too with the Sabbat's shovelheads and those lost to the Beast.

    Most fall somewhere in-between.

    Plus the Beckoning is a good time for the Second Inquisition because a lot of the Vandal Savages and Ra's Al Ghul are elsewhere.
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  • Eh, there's enough for both....
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  • I'm debating doing a Where I Read of LTTSRR but I think it may be somewhat pointless as this thread already exists. Is there enough for a Deep Dive in your opinions, guys?
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  • One of the things I like is the mistreatment of Thin Bloods basically have them respond to the Second Inquisition by telling them everything or trying to join up....
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  • How Night Road handled the SI



    I'm actually inclined to point to NIGHT ROAD as a pretty good example of the Second Inquisition in use and if you want to avoid spoilers that it is a pretty good storyline to pick up. Basically, the Second Inquisition is something that is sweeping through Arizona and the vampires of the city are divided about how to deal with it. Several prominent Kindred have been killed by it but the primary thing that it has done to them is it has "disrupted" Kindred society rather than actually taken it down.

    One of the funniest...
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  • The obvious question is, "So how smart do they have to be to have that NOT happen?"

    Or is your foundational position, "Vampires are by nature better than humans at all of this and could never be threatened by an organized group of Hunters even in a time of chaos?"

    Which is a thing I DONT ARGUE WITH as a take for your setting. I'm just saying they seem to be going with something different.



    Basically, this hot take is one I wouldn't use because the Camarilla behind the Second Inquisition might as well not involve it at all....
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  • Agreed.

    Like I said, I don't think the Second Inquisition is actually that large and it's not really that new either. The Second Inquisition as shown in THE FALL OF LONDON and THE CAMARILLA books are basically just the same Hunters (HH not HTR) that existed in 2nd Edition.

    It's the Inquisition, SAD, NSA, Knights of Saint George, Arcanum (who knew those guys would get off their asses), and probably the Lions of Judea. The big difference is this comparatively small group of people are now coordinating in the post-internet and War on Terror Age.

    The big difference...
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