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  • Vampire unlike most RPGs has a strong focus on social interactions with authority figures and games of intrigue.

    Back in 1E, Lodin and you were enemies.

    You weren't going to kill Lodin, though, nor was Lodin going to kill you.

    But you would always be working to fuck up Lodin's shit and he was going to make your life miserable.

    To use a more universal example, basically it worked like V:TM: Bloodlines.

    La Croix was always your boss and your boss wanted you dead while you wanted him dead but you had to get allies, deal with him, and...
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  • My view is "evil" in being a vampire comes from multiple sources

    * The unavoidable fact that you're mentally ill. Specifically, you suffer homidical rages and animal instincts that make you a violent danger to your fellow humans.
    * The hunger for blood which is an addiction you can never heal but only cope with.
    * The fact that if you destroy yourself....well, you haven't actually made the world a better place because the disease is everywhere.
    * The temptations of power and wealth from your powers
    * The fact vampire society functions like the Mob...
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  • CTPhipps
    replied to Neonate Princes
    Eh, I think it's also important to keep that "dealer" mystique and also vampires who buy their meals, be they humans or the stereotypical Succubus Club. But every game is different....
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  • I don't think most vampires are automatically drawn to be murderous psychopaths unless they frenzy.

    HOWEVER, I do think all vampires have the power to abuse their Disciplines and most humans are incapable of resisting the benefits of Dominate, Presence, or other powers.

    Hell, even Potence.

    Plus, you know you'll never have to worry about the cops showing up on your door if you don't break the Masquerade.
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  • At the end of the day, all vampires are assholes. It's just some are bigger assholes than others and some are STUPID assholes. The only thing worse than those guys are the really old nearly omnipotent genius assholes.
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  • CTPhipps
    replied to Neonate Princes
    I actually have vampires able to smell Kindred blood (with a roll) in normal blood simply because, well, that makes blood magic and blood bonding way too easy....
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  • CTPhipps
    replied to Three Sects
    The Kuei-Jin were closest to becoming a Third Faction but they REALLY beat the Yellow Peril drum.

    I think the Anarchs are back to being the Third Faction, though.

    As of V20, they're no longer just a bunch of doofuses in leather jackets but a national movement....
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  • CTPhipps
    replied to Neonate Princes
    All vampires have access to free blood. They're called humans.



    Mind you, in my games, I have the Princes of the Camarilla keep large stores of animal blood and human blood both when they can because you want vampires able to have access to blood so they're never STARVING even if they're not hunting. Much like in V:TM Bloodlines and Jeanette's blood bank there's plenty of vampires who have access to these services if they can pay. Usually at a club or with some kind of vampire "dealer."

    It's an ounce of prevention to prevent larger problems l...
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  • Well, the Sabbat were in said location because of their ideaology and activity plus desire to actively hunt down and diablerize ancients. The Sabbat are a religion and their creed is violence and dibalerie. If not for the Sabbat, they wouldn't have been there.



    Eh,`said Elders are blood bound to the sect as well. Vykos might be free of the Vinculum because he's a super-genius Tremere mage turned Tzimisce but most of the others are simply as crazy fanatics as everyone else. The Sabbat may have failed to kill Tzmisce and Lasombra (I'm not actually sure about Lasombra because...
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  • CTPhipps
    replied to Three Sects
    Well, the Inconnu used to be a big deal but then everyone ignored they existed.

    I think this is also why they made the Kuei-Jin and Laibon but neither quite worked.
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  • CTPhipps
    replied to Neonate Princes
    Ultimately, the question of being Prince is never if you have the power to do it, it's the question of whether or not you have the power to take it from the man on it. If Damien becomes Prince of Chicago, for example, he's a 6th generation Neonate with the punching power of a Mach Truck. He's also going to probably have Critias behind him and that's essentially having a one-man Camarilla.

    Chicago Examples:

    Even if Sheriff wanted to kill Damien, he's going to be in a world of trouble and no one may necessarilly support him for it.

    Kevin Jackson, by contrast,...
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  • Mind you, I do think the Sabbat have been re-imagined to be far more crass and pathetic than they were in Second Edition for Revised. The whole intellectual side of things with the Paths and ideas of a higher vampire morality has been trashed.

    Mind you, you ARE wrong about one point or two points.

    1. The Sabbat espouses destruction of the Antedeluvians, but they've made no progress on that in the past 500 years (and the ones they "killed" are obviously not dead).

    While true, the Sabbat have actually destroyed a number of really powerful and ancient...
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  • Yeah, you've twigged onto something that's always been there.

    The Sabbat is a vicious gang of fundamentalist religious fanatics who started as a group of Anarchs who were against the Church but now, unironically, have a sect of Inquisitors, Crusaders, and fanatics constantly engaging in witch hunts. They claim to espouse freedom but everything they do is for the Cause or their pack and their minds are high on a multi-grouped Blood Bond.

    However, to be fair, these elements are part of what make the Sabbat cool.

    I will say, though, it's interesting that the...
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  • CTPhipps
    replied to Neonate Princes
    I'm interested in this particular question because one of the longest-running characters in our campaign, a couple of years of gaming, is about 17 years old in terms of being a vampire and has your typical history of punching above his weight class. We also have a couple of elders in the game since its entirely social. The character is the Sheriff and we're doing "Under a Blood Red Moon" where much of the Kindred population is killed during a Sabbat/BSD/werewolf.

    They're deciding to do their own attempt to seize power with the players wanting to put the exceptionally overpowered...
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  • CTPhipps
    replied to The Vaulderie
    Yeah, I always go with the idea the Sabbat are fundamentally a hypocritical organization. The Camarilla is controlled by their Elders but you at least have the reasonable freedom of action for most of your nights while the Sabbat have every single one of their actions dictated by their religious rites, their packs, and the fact their minds are bound to potentially hundreds of other Sabbat ranging from, "I love this person enough to die for them" to "I just think Globitz the Flesh Skinner is the sweetest nicest guy."
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  • CTPhipps
    replied to The Vaulderie
    Well the idea is that you create multiple blood bonds to other people to break it.

    Which means it's a STUPID way to break it.

    It's why shovelheads murder babies and kill old ladies on the orders of their sires because they're all brainwashed and crazy....
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  • CTPhipps
    replied to The Vaulderie
    I believe it used to be that simple and you did it a few times like the Blood Bond. However, then the ritual was added to keep PCs from exploiting it.
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  • CTPhipps
    replied to Neonate Princes
    Strangely, my confusion at this comment is...

    "Wait, there's any vampires who have faith in the system? I thought everyone was aware it was a scam for the rich and old?"...
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  • Garou being the fundamentalist crazy people obsessed with creating new Garou are probably generally all for any new births even if they're dirty dirty Metis. As for the Garou willing to break the Litany, the simple fact is Garou are going to be closer to one another all the time. Sex with kinfolk is fine but Garou rarely have any sort of relationship with them. The books themselves say they need to seek out comfort and the only people who understand are fellow Garou.

    The Litany may forbid Garou-Garou relations but most religions forbid a lot of sexual activity that isn't remotely...
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  • CTPhipps
    replied to Neonate Princes
    Don't the Primogen always go AGAINST the Prince unless they're controlling them? I thought the whole point of the Primogen is they want a weak Prince so they can do what they want through him.

    Edit:

    Edited the opening post with some thoughts....
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