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  • But Veddartha was also the sire of Maltheas, who is a 5th gen, impliying Mithras became a 4th gen through diablerie....
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  • I'd say that the Danava are the offshot of the 4th gen vampire named Veddartha (an indian name), sire of Maltheas and Mithras.
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  • Undead rabbit
    replied to The Hardestadt problem
    Hardesdadt generation's and embrace's doesn't come from an in-of character source, but from the character sheet, which are out-of-character source per excellence. So It is not a lie spread by him, but a meta-information given by developers, like the number of discipline dot or the virtue ratings.

    Technically speaking there are more out-of-character sources pointing at Hardestadt being a 5th gen (3 different character sheets from 3 different books) than out-of-character sources pointing at Pieterzoon being a 7th generation vampire.

    It's not like the character tells you...
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  • Undead rabbit
    replied to The Hardestadt problem
    Nope, most of the Lasombra Elders just gave up and joined Gratiano when he made his pledge to the Amici Noctis. But a few died at Castle Ombro.


    Gratiano and a handful of elders descended into
    the depths to face the Antediluvian. The void-spirits
    common to the stronghold’s lower reaches were absent,
    so the descent was quick and easy. Half a dozen raiders
    fell upon the sleeping thing and drained it in minutes.
    It never awoke or stirred. When the draining finished, it
    simply crumbled into a fine black ash with tarry residue.
    There
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  • Undead rabbit
    replied to The Hardestadt problem
    Yeah, which ones? The elder Silvester de Ruiz being killed by the elder Luis Moncada? or the elder Noriz being killed by the elder Koban?
    The anarch revolt was a revolt of elders against elders mostly, the young vampires were but cannon fodder.

    Of all the leaders of the anarch revolt only Tyler was young.
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  • Undead rabbit
    replied to The Hardestadt problem
    Saying that something is wrong is worth nothing without proof.



    Tzimisce Antediluvian being the mastermind behind the anarch revolt.


    Clanbook Tzimisce






    Clanbook Lasombra


    Gratiano leading the elders against the Antediluvian.



    Gratiano getting the blessing of the remaining elders.




    The only 4th gen that died at Castle Ombro is Khanom Mere (Tepelit died later).

    And Gratiano was mind-fucked either by the Antediluvian...
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  • Undead rabbit
    replied to The Hardestadt problem
    Nope,

    1) The only famous Tzimisce ancient who died in the Anarch revolt is Byelobog. Yorak died by its own, Dracon lives, Kartarirya is alive and well, Lambach lives, Triglav was killed by the Dracon. Tzimisce elders are so powerful that the Old Clan still has the eastern europe in its grip through the Oradea League; while many elders might have died the situation is way less serious than you describe.

    2) Tzimisce anarchs did just what the Antedeluvian wanted them to do.

    3)Cappadocius killed its clan, not the Giovanni; Augustus just did what Cappadocius decided...
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  • Undead rabbit
    replied to The Hardestadt problem
    And why? They are both alive and well.

    Cappadocians have not been destroyed neither by the Inquisition neither by the Anarchs .
    Even more, the downfall of the cappadocians was decided decided by Cappa himself.

    Same for the Tzimisce.
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  • Undead rabbit
    replied to The Hardestadt problem
    Of the 5th gen I mentioned none has died in the Anarch revolt.
    Only Caius and Septima Dominica died before the creation of the Camarilla.

    The other are still alive in the modern nights. The only thing is that Rebekah and Bredenstein hot the position of Eilhu and Ilse.

    The Anarch revolt was not a problem for the elders, It was a problem for the younglings.
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  • Undead rabbit
    replied to The Hardestadt problem
    I don't think that the importance of Hardestadt was given by him being a 5th gen Ventrue.



    5Th gen was not that rare in the middle age,there was plenty of 5th gen Ventrue alive at the time.



    Eliuh/Rebekah, Geraint,the Duke of Amber, the Duchess of Amber, Marcus Verus, Cretheus, Gaius Marcellus, Demetrius, Geoffrey du Temple,Caius, Belisarius, Titus Venturus Camillus,Septima Dominica, Lysander, Julia Antasia,Maltheas, Gaius Fabricius, Fabrizio Ufilia, Ilse Reinneger/Gustav Bredenstein, Gotsdam

    And these are just the "known"...
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  • Lodin - Peterson - Jackson - (gap) - Maxwell?
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  • Undead rabbit
    replied to Technocracy Archmasters
    Void Engineers use a procedure to de-condition themselves; they are not subject to Control, this is one of the biggest secrets the Convention has.

    Deprocessing
    (Mind ●●●● [Prime ●●])

    Void Engineer psychiatrists make every effort to
    remove standard Technocratic Conditioning, but even as
    threats from the Void make it more necessary than ever,
    staffing shortages and the general state of emergency have
    changed the Deprocessing Procedure from a gradual,
    gentle reintroduction to autonomy to a full-on attempt
    to break and...
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  • When it comes to character progression: when the books says that to advance something you must spend X exp per dot what does it mean per dot?

    Let's say you have Celerity 2 and you want to get the 3d dot.

    it's

    1) 3xp*2 (current level of celerity)
    2) 3xp*3 (level of celerity you want to achieve)
    3) 3xp


    Which one?
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  • Undead rabbit
    started a topic The Hardestadt problem

    The Hardestadt problem

    Hardestadt's identity has been always something that bugged me a lot.




    Let's see what we know.


    (bolded text is mine)


    From Giovanni Chronicles Part 1, page 58

    From Giovanni Chronicles Part 2, page 17


    From Giovanni Chronicles III, page 15

    Transylvania Chronicles 2 – Son of the Dragon, page 99


    So, we know from 3 different sources that the Hardestadt the Younger, the one that dwelt in Europe in the XV and XVII century after the anarch revolt,...
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  • Undead rabbit
    replied to Technocracy Archmasters
    I suppose several characters from the book of chantries might be archmages. In later sourcebook it was said that Doissetep was full of Archmasters, among them Caeron Mustai. Still in the Book of Chantries only Porthos and Voormas had an Archsphere. Same can be said for the Mayan mage with Arete 8, who was a postulate for the role of Oracle in the spheres of Spirit, Life an on other sphere I can't remember now, so he would definitely be an archmage, even if he lacked the archsphere (which were devolped later as a complete concept).

    I suspect that mage with Archspheres like Porthos...
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  • Indeed not all the Kue-Jin are hostile towards cainites.
    The Quinqux Kue-jin (the Kue-Jin from China) are the most fervent racist among the Wan Kuei, but bushi are not hostile, even if not really amicable. In fact Bushi hates the Quinqux because it's meddling in their old equilibrium: in San Francisco Japanese Kue-Jin and Cainites lived...almost peacefully. Then the Quinqux came and ruined eveything.
    Japanese kue-jin resent this to the point they are "helping" (in secret) Cainites at San Francisco.
    Korean Kue-Jin on the other hands have opened negotiation both with...
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  • Storm Shintai does not make damage, and lacks damage rules. On that regard both Jaws of Hakkon, Weather Control 5 and Way of the Wind 5 make a better job.




    The point of my post is that Kiai doesn't stand out, since there is plenty of disciplines that kills in one turn, and there is plenty of disciplines that do not deal dice of agg damage but levels of agg damage (take Arhiman Demense for example).

    If you want me to argue that Kiai is weak that will not happen. I don't think that is much more impressive of Jaws of the Dragons or Arhiman Demense or...
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  • What Books? page? Are we talking of Killing Street? The Trashing Dragon Dharma book? San Francisco by Night? Which one? Where?

    I provided book, page and quotation for my statement that Arhat are just as powerful as Methsuleah, I expect you to do the same.
    Otherwise we must assume, Corebook at hand, that Arhat are just as powerful as Methuselah....
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  • By the way this doesn't mean that Kue-Jin are weaker than Cainites, I even dare say that the first 5 levels of Dharma powers are stronger than the first 5 levels of discipline powers.
    But rules at hands there is a big gap when it comes to Dharma 9 and Discipline 9 powers, and if you are serching for an equivalent of the Anti inside Kindred of the East you should not look at Arhats, who are as powerful as Methuselahs, but at the Yama King when they are in their "weakened" form outside Yomi*.



    *Besides there are reasons if the Kue-Jin thinks that Zao-Lat...
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  • I'm afraid you will have to provide source for that claim, because I can't remember such thing has ever been said in the KOTE line.



    I suppose you are quoting Cry of Blood

    Cry of Blood
    At this level, the Kuei-jin's Kiai powers become so great that
    he can cause physical injury merely by raising his voice.
    System: The Kuei-jin spends a point of Yin Chi and rolls
    Stamina + Occult (difficulty 7). Every success causes the
    victim to take a number of health levels of aggravated

    damage equal to the Kuei-jin's Dharma level. Wraiths,...
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