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  • Methuselahs can be used to deliver Chtonic Horror pretty easily. Not every Meth is "human" like Mithras, or "relatable" like Helena and Menele.
    Yorak, Byelobog, Ur-Shulgi, Enkidu, the Hierophants, The Baali founders,Odin,the sire of Esperanza Lucifer,Lamdiel, Nissiku, the Word Eater, Tiamat and so on...they are all good examples of really out of touch creatures, inhuman and fathomless, and powerful beyond imagination.
    A thing like Yorak can be pretty much alien, and the Chatedral of Flesh doesn't have much to envy from Ryl'eh; Nissiku is so strange that he just...
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  • Quite common before the Avatar storm, incredibly rare after that.

    Before the avatar storm the Euthanatos had no less than 6 archmages (Takstang, Senex,Voormas and the three more archmasters that lived on Cerberus), close to 1% total population of the Tradition.


    Before the Avatar Storm House Bonisagus had fewer than 100 members. Only at doissetep there were 4 masters, and more were scattered in the umbra.
    House Tytalus, which was a small house whose numbers always dwindled, had a lot of masters (5 in Doissetep + Vargas + Maragandoukis + Gillmore + De Allegresse,...
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  • Well it's not like the Sabbat overtaking the Anarch role is something new. It happened in 1992 with the Player Guide to the Sabbat, just one year after the pubblication of the first book of Vampire the Masquerade.
    The Anarch have been the main opposition of the Camarilla for...1 year? 1 year of 20 years of pubblications?

    So no, the Anarchs are not "the real protagonist of the setting", they are a footnote in the history of the brand.
    Vampire the Masquerade didn't ended in 1991. Its boom, its real commercial and cultural explosion on the shelves was with 2nd edition,...
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  • Because that is possible inside the setting, there is no metaphysical obstacle to this: Vader and Palpatine are just powerful force users, so yeah, you could become also a powerful force users.
    But otherwise?

    From DnD 3.5

    Mystra is a Mage 20/Lorekeeper 10/Archmage 5/Cleric 20.

    Cyric is a Warrior 3/ Thief 20/ Assassins 10/Illusionist 20

    Bane is a Warrior 15/Blackguard 10/ Cleric 10/ Mage 10/ Thief 20


    plus special rules: as they are major gods they get the best score on every roll they do, and they are immortal.
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  • Which is exactly what they are, if you are playing a metaplot heavy setting.

    You can't take down Aztech in Shadowrun, you can't make Lofwyr bow, you can't humble Graz'zt or Orcus, you can't take on the Lady of Pain, you can't destroy Saeder-Krupp and you can't bring down Pentex.
    If you play a RPG where the setting is heavy written with metaplot, you characters are not the main characters: they are characters in a bigger world. The setting will survive even without them.

    If you want your characters to be the main power players, you can't use a heavy metaplot setting,...
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  • And I dare say that this is really common in every RPG.

    Yeah, Dragons can be killed in Shadowrun.
    But not by players.

    Nachtmeister was killed by Lofwyr in a gigantic duel, Feurschwinge was taken down by the whole German Army + Doomsday weapon and so on,

    These things are not killed by players, they are killed by things that the players can't kill on their own.
    When Ghostwalker (The Ur-Shulgi of Shadowrun) pushed through Denver no one was able to stop him, not the combined forces of 4 superpowers, not the powerful spirits that lived in the city,...
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  • Well it's not like surviving a nuke is such a feat in the World of Darkness, given the powers that the supernaturals might have. Any mage with Force 3 can do it. Or any vampire or werewolf with powers that makes you immaterial. Even the most basic Thauma 3 ritual "Incorporeal passage" will make you survive a nuke. A level 3 ritual, not a level 9 plot device.
    A sixth generation gangrel with Protean 7 Spectral Form is immune to the effect of a nuke. Why and Ante, who should be far and far more powerful than a mage disciple or a 6th gen vampire, should not be able to survive a nuke?...
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    replied to That Worm in Vienna
    Not really sure why there are this doubts. Tsang is quite clear in giving the picture of the situation.






    Besides what Saulot has done is quite clear if you read Lair of the Hidden. Among the High Thauma rituals there is this.




    And this is a level 7 ritual.
    Who knows what could be done if you had access to Thauma 10. Not that Saulot has a body or someone that could cast such a potent ritual...right?...
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  • double post.
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  • That's quite hard since he was in Greece in 700 Bc when he embraced Alexander. Actually, while it is stated that he was killed outside the second city, most of his children were embraced well after the fall of the city.So...unless the second city fell after 700 bc...something doesn't ring.
    Even Eigermann and Antonius were embraced just some centuries before the birth of Cristh...so...
    Like...impossible that a master of dominate could change some memories, right? Gratiano, I'm looking at you.


    Well they aren't really the best examples. Tzimisce was not diablerized,...
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    Where? I can't remember....
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  • Actually the 3 bodhisattvas were not "destined" to kill Ravnos (as we know that kill was scored by Void Engineers archmasters). There was a prophecy that said (Naga Breed book) that one of the Bodhisattva (Black earth boy) would have won the fight. This actually happened, since it is said that probably Black earth boy survived the Bangladesh's armageddon by slipping into Yomi Wan. That means that Black Earth Boy "survived" the battle and "defeated" Ravnos, by outliving him.

    (Remember that at the time of the Week of Nightmares Ravnos was not just fighting...
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