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  • Assamites ask +250k for human targets





    So hundreds of thousands for a neonate. Millions for ancilla and Elders.

    And whatever you ask for a Methuselah. It's something almost impossible, so you ask the price.



    Just to put things in perspective: Murder Inc's hitmans were paid that went from 1000 to 5000 dollars. Taking in account purchasing power of the dollar in 1940 that means somewhere between 18.000 and 90.000 dollars....
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  • Frankly speaking Gehenna was not a good book.

    Wormwood was for sure a nice scenario, the best to play, but also the most inconsequential with the metaplot and the setting. It doesn't bring resolution, it doesn't end anything, it doesn't resolve metaplot. It's a side story.

    The Crucible of God and Nightshade were a better attempt to give a more metaplot driven ending, but...they were bad, a real railroad. Nothing to do, nothing to see, just your players looking at what the Antes did, a lot of descriptions, and then the infamous final prayer to god in Nighshade. They were...
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  • Undead rabbit
    replied to Who is right?
    I suppose it depends on the subject

    1) Fera are right about the spiritual truth of the universe and the great scale reality. (What happens before reality and why it matters)

    2) Mages have the clearest understanding about the metaphisics of reality (what reality is and how ti works)

    3) Vampires have a better grasp of the real history of the world (what happens in reality)



    Let's make an example.


    The discovery of the new world and the arrival of the Conquistadores in America

    If you ask a werewolf he...
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  • Are we sure that The Baron=The Anarchs? They are never mentioned in the Baron page. I think that the Baron is a neutral-faction.
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  • Tremere








    Because unlike the others he is not perfect: his plans may be flawed, he still is full of hyubris, but then again he is still human in some regards. The others antes are far too alien, too perfect.
    He is probably the most ambitious characters in the history of the world of Darkness. Sure, sometimes plans backfire, but it is inevitable when you decide to shoot for the moon.


    He was the weakest among the 12 archmages who founded the Order of Hermes. He lacked Tytalus martial prowess or Bonisagus intellect....
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  • You can also check BJD, the chapter name Is "the price of hospitality"
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  • it's at the end of Transylvania Chronicles 4 page 65 to 81. There is a whole adventure where the players try to stop a nuclear launch from Romania, orchestrated by Absimiliard. In doing so, they must free Kupala from it's binds....
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  • Well, the Vampire history goes back to 12000 years ago at least. Just because no one saw him since the Second City doesn't mean he has been away for the most of vampire history, it's just that vampire history is far older than history itself.
    Most modern vampires have never met Ur-Shulgi, Nergal or Baba Yaga, since they slept for millenia, and yet they live.

    Last time Absimiliard did something was in 5000 B.c, when he embraced Baba Yaga and fought with Koschey. Then silence for 7000, after that he pops out in modern times trying to nuke New York.

    Ravnos last sight...
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  • + Haqim and probably Tzimisce (and maybe even Cappadocius)

    V20 changed much of the original approach to the Baali origin....
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  • Assume that the Old Clan Tzimisce might not be that old. The great Methuselahs of old were all quite the metamorphist. Dracon, Yorak, Triglav, Kartarirya. Demdeh and Byelobog for sure were master of Vicissitude. On the other hand Dracon had quite the distaste for Koldunic sorcery, while Triglav and Yorak, both masters of vicissitude, were considered the foremost expert of that arcane sorcery.

    Even if we consider very very old Tzimisce not of the 4th generation.

    Hedeon Yaroslavich, 5th gen, 1600 years old.

    Danika Ruthven, 6th gen, 2000 years old
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  • Embraced no. Elevated through diablerie? Most likely. When I wrote the first list it wasnt clear that the request was only about "original" 4th gen.
    Etrius and Goratrix too have several childe who are sixth generation vampires, since when they auto-embraced themselves they were 5th gen.


    By the way, take everything about De Calinot with a grain of salt. Her only known childe, Edward Bainbridge, was a 7th generation vampire, and yet his children, Emma Blake, was a 9th generation.
    It is clear that quite the confusion was made along the road....
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  • Its unclear who was the Eldest at the time.

    In the middle age ,or at least until 1197, Sha'iri was the Eldest of the Clan, and sometimes later (1224) Nakurtum took his place (he was still alive at the time, the passage was not violent).


    But then again Nakurtum was a woman and the account about the eldest at the time of Tyre in Lore of the Clans and Clanbook Assamite Revised are about a "he". So at some point Nakurtum must have passed the scepter, either to Sha'iri either to another Assamite, older than her but male.


    Besides Between...
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  • That assertion has been put in question several times and currently it is very not explicit. At this moment Mithras lineage is mysterious.


    Mithras was flagged as childe of the Ante in London by Night, but in Road of Kings he is just the childe of Veddartha, this is stated also in World of Darkness 2nd edition.




    In times of Thin Blood (page 64-65) we have an account that doesn't suggest that Veddartha was a 3d gen but actually a 4th gen, since he is a member of the Inconnu and still active in the modern nights.

    This is a letter from...
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  • Relatively young yes, but still a 4th gen, with access to level 9 disciplines, which can be quite the game breaker. Beside the combo is quite powerful in his own. Nevertheless most account seems to suggest that it was an hard victory, gained only through luck and the knowledge of Serpentis. Remember that Serpentis is quite good as combat discipline, Skin of the Adder let you soak with diff 5 and sum Fortitude + Stamina to soak agg. Adder's tongue gives you a powerful close combat weapon, and the higher level or Serpentis are quite crazy.

    Most likely Lazarus mastered a discipline that...
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  • Blood Treachery heavily suggest that Tremere himself embraced him...
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  • The last known embraced 4th gen are Gratiano de Veronese, Grimgroth and Augustus Giovanni. They are the most recent 4th gen ever embraced. Since them there have been no more embrace from the Antes.


    in the modern nights (just before V5) the active ones (* means in Torpor but "aware" and "influencing" its sourroundigs) were

    Japhet
    Lazarus
    Byzar
    Augustus Giovanni

    Kemintiri
    Nakhtorheb*
    Nefertiti

    Enkidu
    Rufus
    Odin
    The Slumbering Giant*

    Montano
    Gratiano...
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  • Undead rabbit
    replied to Garou and xenophobia



    I am sorry but why should they not?


    Best case scenario a vampire is a creature that feed on the innocent people with something that really look like rape;average secnario they are serial murderers, and sometimes they are eldritch evil of untold depravity.
    Are we talking of the race that produced Yorak, Augustus Giovanni, Moncada, Vykos and so on, aren't we?




    1) Vampires are one of the principal causes of pollution, since the Pentex always had among its leaders Enzo Giovanni and Harold Zettler, and as a whole the vampiric
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  • Undead rabbit
    replied to Garou and xenophobia
    The Order of Hermes and the Celestial Chorus beg to differ...
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  • 1) Do not do it yourself
    Tip off the Sabbat, a Methuselah is a servant of the Antes, and her blood will be quite the boon for the diablerist of the Sword of Caine. Black Hand kamut, or simply wild packs full of shovel head could be quite the threat
    Pay the indipendents. Assamite's assassins would be a good start, and a Giovanni's poltergeist that set your blankets on fire during the day can be quite the bitch. Most vampires are completely unaware of defense against necromancy and wraiths.

    2) Use multiple plans. The more you throw at her, the less likely it will be for...
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  • Because house-ruling cannot be a surrogate for design. Otherwise I would not require to buy V5 and I could just go with a personal head-canon fifth edition.
    If I have to house rule Vienna, and the Elders, and the Sabbat, and the SI, why am I playing this game?

    And I'm just talking of plot side, because then I should also house-rule hunger mechanics and touchstones if I wanted to play things like Elders or Sabbat....
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