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  • Saikou
    replied to The Problem With Hollow Ones
    I think the personal horror of Mage fits quite well in that they are, by proxy of their powers, the ones responsible for the fate of humanity.

    If you are a Mage, then you have responsibility placed upon you, be that by the Technocratic creed of control, the codes of the various traditions, or the knowledge that beneath the world you once walked so laxidasily through has a darker side that can never be unseen.
    To awaken is to lose a frame of innocence, and to realise that you have potential for great and terrible things.

    You simply cannot go home again....
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  • Saikou
    replied to The Problem With Hollow Ones
    I dunno, I actually really like the avatar storm. It made the umbra much more mysterious by adding an extra layer of danger to its traversal. It also gave the characters a real incentive to stay on Earth, or at least primarily operate on Earth, rather than just mill about on Mars forever because "look ma! no paradox!!"....
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  • Saikou
    replied to The Problem With Hollow Ones
    The disparates were introduced in 2e. Revised actually stopped them from being a seperate group of factions, and filed them into being enrolled members of the traditions. So I’m not sure you’re saying what you believe you’re saying.

    Also, what’s wrong with the disparates? Even if you don’t have them as major players in your stories, having them in the backdrop of the lore makes the world feel bigger and less eurocentric in my opinion....
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    Last edited by Saikou; 02-16-2018, 03:20 PM.

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  • Saikou
    replied to The Problem With Hollow Ones
    As far as I'm concerned, this is absolutely the case. How does the trad book differ from my interpretation?...
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  • Saikou
    replied to The Problem With Hollow Ones
    I actually think nihilism is an important element of what makes the hollow ones function. While all the other traditions are bound by a certain approach to magic, be it by means of life for the Verbena, adherence to codes of fate for the Euthanatos, or on "reasonable" theories for the Etherites, all tradition mages are in some way fixed by a specific reference point by which they view the world.

    The Hollowers, on the other hand, come without such a starting point. They accept that if the universe is so malleable to allow all these different and contradictory viewpoints...
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  • This is Mage, internal logic is all you need to make sense....
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  • Which one?

    The books, the comics, the TV show, or the other TV show?...
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  • Saikou
    replied to New Storyteller
    7 players is a bit much in my opinion. My most recent game had 6 and that was already above my limit to deal with.
    You simply cannot give so many players equal weight in the story, someone is going to get the short end of the plot stick, feel left out, and disengage.

    It might be worth dividing the group up or even turning people away, especially if this is your first game. 4 would be a better number for a first time STer, though if you’re confident, you may be able to go to 5.

    Anyway. To start planing you only need two things. A rough idea of the story you want...
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    Last edited by Saikou; 02-03-2018, 09:09 AM.

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  • Saikou
    replied to 4th Nephandi faction?
    Sometimes I think the only reason they said that the K’lashaa gods were the dreams of the neverborn was to just tie in the nephandi to Wraith after the fact.
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  • Saikou
    replied to concerning Ascension
    “There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

    There is another theory which states that this has already happened.”


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  • Saikou
    replied to 4th Nephandi faction?
    Cool, so we’ve established Oblivion and the Wyrm are very much not the same thing. Thank you for making my point so unanimously
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  • Saikou
    replied to 4th Nephandi faction?
    Does Oblivion have sentience? Or is it more like an abstract force like Time and Bad News?
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  • Saikou
    replied to 4th Nephandi faction?
    Oblivion is a pit of Angst......
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  • Saikou
    replied to 4th Nephandi faction?
    Extra points for his throne being half on the brim of oblivion. He doesn’t sit on it much...
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  • Saikou
    replied to Cryptocurrency and the VAs
    That's how the VAs would see it, certainly. Though the syndicate would have ways of proving they came up with it first....
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  • Saikou
    replied to 4th Nephandi faction?
    So this all implies that Oblivion is the real big bad that's actually behind all the other dark and horrid things in WoD, be they wyrm, nephandi, spectre, or whatever.

    I guess it's only fitting the WoD is driven by Angst.
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  • Saikou
    replied to 4th Nephandi faction?
    Not quite, the wyrm is a very distinct and separate force from Oblivion, this is stated as much in Book of Worlds. While superficially they may want the same goals. Their rationale and methodology could not be more different.

    The wyrm seeks to undo the work of the weaver, and depending on how sympathetic you are towards the weaver, it's either to put the weaver out of her misery, revenge for taking over, or out of general malevolence. Most likely a mixture of all three. They wyrm seeks destruction and corruption of all that is made and ordered. It seeks to put an end to all things,...
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  • Saikou
    replied to Victorian Mage: speculation
    I bet you anything London’s going to be the focal point for all things Technocratic
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  • Saikou
    replied to Cryptocurrency and the VAs
    I imagine it being something a VA in Japan was working on, partially a personal project of coding currency into existence, and then suddenly they struck upon something which chimes with the consensus. How? Because the syndicate were working on the very same thing, a little thing called Primal Utility. Had the syndicate not set the stage, it would have been vulgar beyond use, but now the VAs had a way to magic up money in a coincidental manner outside the control of the syndicate. They told a bunch of guys online and soon the digital web was awash with the stuff.

    When the syndicate...
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  • Saikou
    replied to 4th Nephandi faction?
    That’s more or less addressed in the books. It’s stated that malfeans may not all necessarily believe in the wyrm, but rather consider the wyrm a concept, an anthropomorphic personification of all the putrid waste that is mankind. They don’t serve the wyrm so much as acknowledge that mankind is the wyrm, and that anyone trying to ‘ascend’ from that is acting out of sheer arrogance.

    Extrapolating from that, infernalist nephandi might not be religious. They might actually be nihilists or atheists. They see the world is already hell, so they might as well act the role of the...
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    Last edited by Saikou; 01-24-2018, 12:54 PM.

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