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  • I see your point. In any case such a thing as her death would surely affect his character as a whole. There are many characters from Dark Ages who are never mentioned again, like Julia Antasia the Roman Ventrue Methusaleh, Gotzon, Lotharius, Jürgen, Shaagra and many others. At least these ones I mentioned I believe should have their future mentioned as they were not only immensely powerful but also played key roles and their destructions would certainly be important ocurrence in the Cainite History....
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  • Yeah, Deverra's ritual is surely something to keep in mind, though I'm not sure how long "forever" is supposed to mean in the context lol. As for Jürgen being Hardestadt, it would certainly be an interesting thing, but yes Jürgen's description and Hardestadt the Younger character sheet doesn't match much as Jürgen used his telepathy quite often in the Dark Ages Ventrue Clan Novel. As for Rosamund d' Islington, I didn't know she was destroyed. When did that happen?...
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  • That's interesting, but a Tremere can accomplish the same with The Path of Focused Mind 1, rolling against a difficulty of 4 with their Willpower as dice pool. I think it's nice to know that there's at least one rote for such an important thing like initiative in the WoD. Still I think it falls short of what Spirit of the Fray alone does. As I see probably there are not any other rote for initiative in Mage and it's disappointing....
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  • I see, but the point is that there are no system, no example of any system regarding it and of course I can come up with one, but I think it's very strange that there aren't ANY rote for that. Better body would really suck compared to what werewolves and vampires can make......
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  • Any Werewolf worth his salt has it, in any case werewolves live for combat. I know the Mage's magic system is for that, but there are usually guidelines for most kind of effects, yet not any for initiative.
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  • Still it would be hardly ever enough to get initiative against werewolves and vampires for instance. A rote for that would be really welcomed. If stupid werewolves can get 10 plus 10 extra initiative with only a level 2 gift (and 1 gnosis point for the extra 10), mages should have something AT THE VERY LEAST on the same level as their magic allow them to both deal with spirits, enhance their minds, control time, and everything. It's hard to believe they left this huge gap......
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  • Isn't there any Rote for gaining initiative?

    I mean, every creature in the WoD has it's ways of getting a better initiative, werewolves have their "broken" Spirit of the Fray gift, vampires have celerity, can enhance their dex and the Tremere have Path of Focused Mind and some rituals that can be used to boost initiative, but I'm yet to come across a single mage route to boost initiative. Why is that so? Should mages be slow?
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  • And of course you can even bind them to objects creating interesting fetishes. ...
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  • Herr Meister
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    Certainly, no doubt about that. It was designied to torture, but nothing stops the necromancer from using it on himself.



    Now THAT is the problamatic wording of the ritual what makes it potentially broken.



    That definitely would be a huge problem for the one who uses it as a mean to become "completelly immortal" for some time. He would have to pay heavily for it later.



    And that's exactly what I mean, the RAW means that it basically can be used to make a character completelly "immune to destruction"...
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  • Herr Meister
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    It's a level 2 Necromancy ritual, again what worries me is the potential op hidden in the wording of the ritual. Because if "the character cannot be incapacitated, only crippled, no matter the damage it takes" it could be used to make someone nigh indestructible for a night and now that has the potential to be really broken....
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  • Herr Meister
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    I see, but the part that makes me think this makes the target "immune to destruction" is "[...]the character cannot be incapacitated, only crippled no matter the damage he takes[...]" and the only part of the text that imply something related to the duration of the ritual is "[...] the vampire temporary sacrifices a dot (not a point) of Willpower, which only returns the night after he choses to end the effects[...]" That opens the way to the interpretation I'm writing about....
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  • Herr Meister
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    About Antonius' Denial

    So I have always wondered about this ritual, because it looks like it could be used as a VERY powerful low level ritual (what is rare when talking about Necromancy/Mortis...). Does this ritual mean that the cainite cannot under any* circunstance be destroyed while it's in effect?

    This is the ritual description:

    Antonius’s Denial
    A prodigy of Augustus Giovani’s blood, called
    Antonius Giovani, crafted this wicked rite early in the
    bloodline’s studies. It denies death to a victim, albeit
    temporarily. It does not, however, deny pain. The ritual
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  • So you're saying they are forcing them into service!

    Ok, granted. But, in any case, that doesn't change anything about my argument. It's been some time since I've read Lair of the Hidden, so you're probably right about them using their powers to control the said spirits, still as I said, that changes nothing about the rest of my argument. The main point of my argument is that "nobody" is sure about the ways of the spirit world, or at least nobody should be so sure. The Werewolf perspective put them on a "holy crusade" against the enemies of Gaia and in this...
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  • Most likely Hardestadt the Elder, given his germanic origins was embraced by Eigermann.
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  • Another interesting view regarding Karsh and the state of his mind. I also fell in love with Jürgen after reading the Dark Ages Ventrue Clan Novel, so I would also prefer him to be Hardestadt the Younger rather than being destroyed....
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  • That's an interesting theory, as Qarakh did indeed diablerize his sire whose name is Aajav in the Dark Ages Gangrel Clan Novel. So it could be that they are fighting for control over the body, but at the same time this makes things even more complicated when one realize Qarakh also diablerized Alexander of Paris, so there would be quite a mess inside his head ...
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  • Well, I don't think it's so night impossible for vampires to make deals with spirits of the sun/fire. Both Cretheus and his childe Hillderic use many pacts with fire and sun spirits and have such spiritual minions at their disposal, they basically have a paradigm where they consider these entities as holy as they consider themselves. Bluecho understood exactly what I meant when I exposed my interpretation of the WoD. I don't see the WoD in the same light as garou see. For me things are much more ambiguous and mysterious than what they tend to believe. The Garou basically think they know for sure...
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  • I know they have their differences and my last questio/commentary was more to provide food for thought than anything. Specially regarding some commentaries that implied that the Old Faith/Valdaermen/Spirit Talkers could be one tradition instead of 3 different ones. What I mean basically is that it's the fact that some factions have managed to cross different borders unifying different cultures under one single paradigm is the one thing that should be seen as outstanding and quite an accomplishment and not the reverse. The World in the middle ages was not at all connected and/or centralized as...
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  • Your theory of Jürgen is very interesting, but I doubt Mithras would be involved, he never liked this camarilla thing very much lol , but in any way Rafael de Corazon could have done it himself.
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  • Very interesting. But what about Qarakh? Would he in your opinion be Karsh or Jalan-Aajav or both?
    Another funny thing in Karsh's character's sheet in Children of the Night is his physical atributes description: Karsh swings his sword and enemies fall; people who have touched him claim his skin has acquired the strenght of diamonds ... now THIS is what badass mean ...
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