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  • Khanwulf
    replied to On 2e Ghoul Families
    Half Damned provides only the barest sketch of what a ghoul family looks like. You will need to look at what their benefit and drawback might be... and these can apparently vary quite widely, based on the scant examples.

    My suggestion is just to post your conversions and let others comment, if you want guidance.

    Cheer,
    --Khanwulf
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  • Zennis there are fewer resources out there for this period in Britain than you'd think, especially given the historical significance. That said, in addition to the comments by other posters I can point you to Shadow of a Horned God on Obsidian Portal--this was useful to me. (My campaign is in the same period, but is a VtM to VtR conversion.)

    A few notes on Britain of the period that are not common:
    1. The height of Roman British population was likely > 3 million. Enough that the agriculture patterns (and climate) pushed cultivation way up the hills into much more marginal...
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  • Khanwulf
    replied to Hacking the Dhampir
    Very pleased to be of service.



    Entirely correct on all points. I must amend my previous statement however: Dhampir do have a physical defensive power--if they're descended from a Gangrel and wish to take double lethal damage they can use their clan Twist to gain armor vs. Bashing.

    As a contribution to their vampire-hunting reputation I remain underwhelmed. Sympathy for the Devil is the button you press to punch out when realizing you're going down with the flaming wreckage of the plot. It's as much a friend to the ST as it is the player, since calibrating...
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  • I could, in fact, kiss you for that.

    Platonically....
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  • Khanwulf
    replied to Let's Read Half Damned
    Most appreciate the point, LostLight, that the clan affiliations for dhampir are essentially mirror foils of their parents.

    Most of the book seems like it was touched by several writers, who didn't always read what the other was writing. There is much redundancy and inconsistency.

    Dhampir only enjoy a second Vice when they use their last point of willpower to fuel a Twist, or take damage in their rightmost 3 boxes to fuel a Malison. These are pretty edge cases, I think--certainly desperate! At that point, then, the dhampir enjoys the Affliction vices. It's a little unfortunate,...
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  • Khanwulf
    replied to Hacking the Dhampir
    I would be delighted to unpackage the thinking--and thank you for asking. Doubly-so as this is the first opportunity to discuss what some of the concepts behind dhampir mechanics mean.

    First, my understanding of Destiny: Destiny is intended (mechanically speaking) to provide a means of obtaining willpower and beats for following a specific story thread, backwards or forwards. In this manner it is similar to Ambitions, but longer-lasting. You are expressly enabled to fulfill/deny Destiny, and then at the start of the next story acquire a new one; so it does not represent a character...
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  • Khanwulf
    replied to Let's Read Half Damned
    I'd rather not see insults directed at artists and writers on these or any other forum.

    Frankly, I'd rather not see insults directed at all. (And yes, I try and often fail to keep my own snark colored within the lines.)

    VtR is one product of a busy setting of major splats. We're posting here because vamps and their world interest us, and care about the books that come out for VtR because there are relatively few, precious spots to put Onyx Path-sanctioned material into circulation. We'd like it to be "right", high-quality, and up the game. That puts people on...
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  • Khanwulf
    replied to Half-Damned - what do we know?
    Weakened Bond, three points; there it is. Thanks!

    Only the Crosses have an actual, honest (tiny) sidebar. The Golds have a (much bigger) sidebar with a bit of Kindred speculation about the Golds' reaction to vitae addicti-- no, Vinculum...? and the third family has nothing at all.

    The Alley Men are filed under Antagonists, which is a section with a consistent structure ("systems" ending paragraph). The Alley Men are presented both as a ghoul family, and as a classification of feral ghouls--it switches presentation from paragraph to paragraph in a most confusing...
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  • Khanwulf
    started a topic Hacking the Dhampir

    Hacking the Dhampir

    So, Dhampiri. Half Damned presents them in glorious, fixed form: no longer the single-minded anti-vamps of 1e, and now the offspring of--um, “fated” unions hauling around minor doom-powers of a social bent.

    Lord Vader, your ride is here. It’s the black one. Yes—the scooter.

    Let’s Maserati this thing up, shall we?

    There are issues embedded in the dhampir fluff text, which seem less borne-out in the mechanics. There are things raised that are unaddressed, or addressed negatively. There are design decisions that are… odd. Instead of just complaining...
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  • Plus, the idigam "Spirit of Rome" continues afterwards, sitting at the center of an increasingly chaotic and debauched society that, in parallel, more and more fails to hold things together: security fails, trade fails, currency fails, and ultimately the entire system is unable to support the central control Rome lusted for.

    After Constantine--an "invading Emperor" and one of many before and after--the administrative split East/West could be taken as acknowledgement within part of the werewolf community that something was seriously rotten and not solvable. The...
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  • Khanwulf
    replied to Half-Damned - what do we know?
    Yes, and that's a major part of the tonal complaints.

    So far I've withheld feedback on the Ghouls section, but it feels more like 1e Ghouls because 1e Ghouls was written from their perspective too, and portraying power dynamics from the bottom up tends to lead our modern selves to view that as inherently abusive. I'd have preferred to see more nuanced takes that would help a player portray relationships that aid a healthy gaming table, for example: how do ghouls rationalize their relationship to a "wrong" creature? How do they rationalize the devil's bargain they took and...
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  • Khanwulf
    replied to Half-Damned - what do we know?
    Boy I sure hope they see. This product seems rushed.

    And to the second point, it would not take that much work to spend some quality time with the document and think about the tone, the holes and questions raised by the material yet unanswered. Not as much as obtaining new text and new art would. This is also not a main splat-book; what we have now is a supplement's advance PDF that needs some love. I hope it gets that love.

    --Khanwulf...
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  • Khanwulf
    replied to Let's Read Half Damned
    While RichT wants the errata thread to remain, well, errata. I hope we can cobble together a coherent list of ... um ... editorial oversights... yeah--and submit that.

    I'm making my own notes....

    --Khanwulf
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  • Khanwulf
    replied to Let's Read Half Damned
    Considering that most revenants (and, for that matter most kindred) wouldn't even know that uplifting is a thing unless told... I would suppose what kindred could offer would be the usual:

    * Security/stability: a place to stay, a place to hunt/feed and attempt a semblance of human life. Considering revenant existence starts with "OMG monster" and resumes there every night? Stability is a VERY welcome offer!

    * Consistent blood supply: helping them arrange a herd that will be present when they wake is essential. That could mean animals, or blood dolls. The feeding...
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  • Right. Thanks folks for the confirmation. The text seems to indicate as well that the predatory aura release of the vampire's beast can be a momentary thing: a fleeting fragment of terror that could be forgotten or overwhelmed in the human reaction. Fight like an animal or flight. Live immediately (including reproduce) or die. Dominate (someone) or accept the bottom of the pecking order in submission.

    Kinda like that.

    --Khanwulf...
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  • Khanwulf
    replied to Lilitu Clan
    Right. The Lilitu would presumably hold a lost discipline that enabled breath-drinking.

    Or, alternatively, they were a Bloodline from Lilith the Daeva legendary founder, which had a few custom Devotions enabling smoke-snake form (Protean 5, Vigor?) and breath-drinking.

    I'd actually go with the later approach, barring enough other powers to reasonably flesh out a true 5-dot Discipline.

    Tremere.

    The Tremere have a bizarre history. Essentially they went from being an Ars Magica Hermetic house, to a World of Darkness Hermetic house-come-vampire...
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  • Khanwulf
    replied to Half-Damned - what do we know?
    Glad you asked!

    [In one of several theories. Also edited noting Spider Queen's earlier responses. As a direct comment, I do like the Revenant section! It's my favorite of the three.]

    The Huns (as they were known to the Romans, later), were evicted from what is now Western China about 200 BC, and chased west by Chinese generals to ensure they got good and far and didn't come back to harass the Han again. This initiated the Migration Period, as the Huns knocked into one people-group after another, setting them moving west and washing into Europe. I would pick this period,...
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  • You make me laugh! And: as the father of two younger males I can confirm this is totally a thing. All the more so in my case because the youngest thinks he's god-emperor. (Quote: "I like living life on my edge." Emphasis added.)

    To Yossarian's point: if you use predatory aura on other vamps you run the risk of losing the challenge and receiving the condition yourself (probably bad). But! If you know your Blood Potency is stronger, then you can force them to choose whether to burn a Willpower to oppose you.

    For the sake of the discuss, can we confirm if activating...
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  • Khanwulf
    replied to Let's Read Half Damned
    Maybe. I think it's either a confusion on the part of the writers, or perhaps signals getting crossed when approaching the subject matter. Consider: all three sub-splats are mixed up with vampires in a way that creates widely disparate power dynamics. That is, in other words, the entire focus of Masquerade: that the Undead Man is keeping you down and you'll never, ever be respected because you're like, a kid, ya'know--so burn it all down!

    Tiresome '90s retread.

    I'm going to bite my tongue and let LostLight continue his Let's Read without dumping my opinions in a huge,...
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  • So essentially as I understand it: Monstrous beast is useful when you're going into combat as the Bestial Condition gives -2 Defense. This is enough to make a real difference in how hard you can hit them! Of course, they could decide to flee the confrontation, in which case you could go into a chase (if you catch them, you get a free attack, which could be game-over). I think of Buffy vamps flashing the monster-face for this one.

    Seductive beast is most useful in feeding scenarios, though I can imagine attempts to break combat by offering an alternative to fighting. Wanton is for...
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