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  • I would suggest asking in the Werewolf forum, to be honest. That said, it might not be something that made a way to W20. But as I noted, pretty sure Werewolf - Apocalypse - Players Guide To Garou (3ª Edition) has it.
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  • What sources have you checked so far? I would think it would be in W20 core. I think Werewolf - Apocalypse - Players Guide To Garou (3ª Edition) outlines it as well.
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  • Are we talking Lupines or Garou? Lupines should be fine, no problem, since I don't think V20 lays out any issue with that. With Garou, I think they technically have an allergy or something to blood, but that it is technically still possible.
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  • In all fairness, the only reason I'd think silver armor wouldn't that much of an expenditure is because the chantry probably has access to Path of Conjuration (because it is absurd). So it probably isn't going to take much effort at all to outfit their fighters with it. I don't think it is that useful, given making them use fetish weapons hardly seems a 'combat advantage' against them. But it'd probably be a rather simple addition.
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  • Monalfie
    replied to Obtenebration Uses?
    Does it really need more uses? You can already get access to a bunch of stuff if you pursue Abyss Mysticism with it.

    Also, you could be a hit at childrens' parties as a shadow puppeteer....
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  • Presence
    Presence is the Discipline of emotional manipulation. Vampires with this power can inspire passionate fervor or unreasoning terror in mortals and Kindred alike. In addition, unlike most Disciplines, some of Presence’s powers can be used on entire crowds at one time. Presence can transcend race, religion, gender, class, and (most importantly) supernatural nature. As such, this subtle power is one of the most useful Disciplines a vampire can possess....
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  • Eh, I think this fails to hold up on two parts. The first being that some people won't resist the urge to gaze, they lack the proper judgment to do so, and will stare obliviously. Secondly, it also has the starting assumption that someone is doing something they shouldn't be doing. Whereas the person using Presence might be using it to have the person work towards something they might have already been somewhat inclined towards.

    Conceptually, I think the idea of an awareness roll makes sense (I probably wouldn't put it at difficulty 9 - maybe more like 7). Though, I can just as much...
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  • Eh, it presents paragraphs in the same section as uncertain.
    Committing Diablerie
    A vampire seeking to commit diablerie must drain all the blood from his Kindred victim. Following this act, the vampire must continue to suck, for (according to Kindred legend) the very soul is withdrawn from the victim’s body and taken into the diablerist’s. The effort involved in diablerie is monumental, for the vampiric soul is a greedy thing and clings tenaciously to unlife, hoping to regenerate its body and rise once again.
    And under Perils of Diablerie.
    A few rumors speak of diablerists...
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  • A Tzimisce or Malkavia who has the stereotype flaw.

    Stereotype (2pt. Flaw)
    You buy heavily into all of the vampire stories you’ve read and heard. You wear a cape or body glitter, speak with an accent, and otherwise act in a cartoonish fashion. Such behavior is embarrassing in the extreme to other Kindred, who are likely to ostracize or mock you (+2 difficulty to Social rolls with other vampires who don’t share your habits). You also stand out to hunters....
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  • That's not how it reads to me.


    Succeeding seems to be about remorse. Failure is about not caring. But the text makes it sound like justification can be part of maintaining humanity. And that loss involves not caring about prior held beliefs....
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  • Is this actually outlined in V20? I can't seem to find the wording in regards to regaining Humanity. I mean, succeeding on a humanity check is about rationalizing the behavior. Wouldn't regaining involve justifying how what one did wasn't that bad? Either way, if one is an admitted serial diablerist, it'd be overall more efficient (and reasonable) to seek out a path....
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  • Monalfie
    replied to Revenant Animals
    A canon method as far as mechanics? Not that I'm aware of. However, all the language very much seems to confirm the idea that it is through continual experimentation via blood infusion. The 'credible claim' is the plain text which outlines that Tzimisce and others made them.
    Per V20 Lore of the Clans
    Mortuari - Most Giovanni are recruited from the existing stock of ghouls, whether from the main bloodline or from one of the various ghoul families. In fact, some of the Rossellini have managed to use ghouls and Necromancy to make revenant families — something the Tzimisce say only they...
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  • Monalfie
    replied to OH MY GAWD
    Oh, cool. That's actually one of my friend's characters. They always tend to have great Vampire art done....
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  • Monalfie
    replied to Revenant Animals
    I mean, if you are making revenants (breeding humans and kind of eugenics) then you probably already don't care all that much about your humanity. But if we're talking wolves, it might not matter, as you say. The concept is admittedly, absolutely requiring of a path here.

    Also, no, I don't really agree this situation makes one more likely to be caught. Certainly not significantly. Assumedly this is being done in a chantry or in some isolated place. The original humans in question are also assumedly in on it, or easily can be brought in with dominate/blood bonding. And this premise...
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  • Monalfie
    replied to Revenant Animals
    I wonder, looking at this. The level five power Turn to Dust for Hands of Destruction path allows one to age a mortal for 10 years per success. Perhaps once could greatly speed up the breeding through rapid aging (perhaps with humans as well). Gestation periods aside....
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  • No, I think they were asking a very literal mechanics question...

    That said, as to why one would. Pleasant emotions are not necessarily good. For many reasons, the most obvious being it puts you under the influence of another. As for noticing it, Summon and Dread Gaze would be somewhat easy to notice. And while one might argue that being hit with Entrancement might be tricky, using it more than once would make it more obvious.

    Theodrim I disagree. The statement 'resist Presence' very much means to me it isn't working on them. I don't see where you get this idea that...
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  • Monalfie
    replied to Revenant Animals
    I mean, I imagine you'd run them the same as a normal revenant family per the books, but with animal stats and maybe set of related disciplines per the usual. I feel like this was mentioned in relation to some Nosferatu who breed crocodiles or something, but I'm not sure.
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  • Monalfie
    replied to Making Cainite Dogsbodies
    Since you mention Tzimisce, I'm not sure if you're asking literal dogsbodies or just making them loyal to you... Anyway, assuming service, blood bonding is a good start. Various uses of Dominate and some Presence can greatly assist as well.
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  • Monalfie
    replied to Gangrel and animal forms
    I didn't see anything about the rules requiring one changes back to human form first. Merely the notes that you could use any discipline besides some (didn't see Protean that I recall) and you remain in animal form for the night in regards to period of use. I think it'd be fine if you spent the necessary blood/time/etc when using it. Not sure how well the maneuver would play out in action, but don't see anything restricting it....
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  • It seems like there are two ways to read it
    1. The person needs to spend one willpower and succeed on a difficulty eight willpower roll. If they do, they are free for the scene and need to repeat the process if they remain in the other Cainite's presence for later scenes.
    2. The person needs to spend one willpower and succeed on a difficulty eight willpower roll. If they do, they are free for the moment, and must continue to spend/roll willpower until they are out of the other Cainite's presence.

    I'd argue one makes more sense because of how it phrases 'resist Presence...
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