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  • Manfr
    replied to Karsh in V5
    V5 Core said Jalan Ajaav was more victim of the War on Terror than of the Second Inquisition: he was struck down as the US Government thought he was a linkage between Mexican drug cartels and Al Quaeda, and it says he killed 14 operatives.

    They probably sent some Delta Force to kill him, and when he simply shrugged off bullets and started killing Marines, they drone-bombed him, until he got ashed.

    In fact, I suppose the battle with Jalan was the thing that probably triggered a phone call to SAD by higher ups in the US secret service, saying "Ooook ... perhaps you...
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  • Manfr
    replied to [V5] Fate of Sabbat luminaries
    That was my thought too, even though Lazarus and many Harbingers share her hatred of the Founder: I suppose it would boil down to how much her betrayal would be known among the wider Hecata community.

    In any case, she would be tremendously cool also as the Anarch Baroness of the Mexican Motorcycle Snake Cult of Death. Either that, or my alternative headcanon is that she's leading the ever-growing Sabbat pack hunting for something in Siberia shown in V5 Sabbat book....
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  • Manfr
    replied to [V5] Fate of Sabbat luminaries
    Bump!

    So, I came across Apacia ( https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Apacia ): a 2500-year old Scythian Cappadocian biker straight out of "From Dusk till Dawn" who is also one of Vykos' lovers, as well as a contact for the Tal Mae Rah and a paragon of the Harbingers of Skulls.

    What do you think she would up to, in V5?

    I think she would still be around, as the Beckoning doesn't affect the various Hecata bloodlines, unless her Dracon taint makes her suffer the Beckoning from the Tzimisce antidiluvian: admittedly, a biker gang riding the steppes led...
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  • Manfr
    replied to [V5] Fate of Sabbat luminaries
    But should the Sabbat collapse without his guiding hand behind the curtains, would he still have enough punch in the Pentex Boars of Directors? Is he there more as liaison with the Sabbat, or as a powerful infernalist?...
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  • Manfr
    replied to [V5] Fate of Sabbat luminaries
    Thinking about...

    What would Harold Zettler do, during and after the Fourth Sabbat Civil War?
    He is one of the biggest Priscus in the Consistory, after all, and the gayeway to an important ally and source of power, funding and military assets. So, I suppose most factions would court him.

    He could also just go rogue, and recruit former Sabbat as Pentex shock troops.
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  • Manfr
    replied to Alaska?
    Along with reasoning in terms of metropolitan areas, I also usually take in consideration the number of tourists and the local mobility: travellers and commuters provide for an increased population, which can be sensibly higher than the
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  • Manfr
    replied to Age, power and generation
    And yet this is a very logic and clever evolution of the "You are what you eat" V5 rules....
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  • Manfr
    replied to Using Wan-Kuei with Kindred
    Dharmas and Paths are very similar: Wan Kuei start recruiting estranged Sabbats or left behind shovelheads to achieve some of their aims. They offer protection in a more structured and less violent society, which is however a bit more meritocratic than the Canarilla, as well as moral guidance and a path towards perceived trascendence, in exchange for their field support in... Recovering a Node? Recovering lost Wan Kuei who arose here and there?
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  • Manfr
    replied to [V5] Fate of Sabbat luminaries
    Feel free and thank you really!...
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  • Manfr
    replied to [V5] Fate of Sabbat luminaries
    Well, the Sabbat likes to think of themselves as Ubermenschen, but most of them are evil human sociopaths, so they are bound to be impressed by something that big.

    I agree the main front should be against Ur Shulgi and his TBH (and Baali) allies: I do think it's fairly well established in canon material that Sabbat people just took the chance of the Global War on Terror to wage their own conflict (which was a mix of Manifest Destiny, desperate run and self delusion)....
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  • Manfr
    replied to [V5] Fate of Sabbat luminaries
    Thank you for the comment, you're always insightful!



    Yeah, I'd really like to see a well done, with local insight, setting book about South America, WW has put really low efforts in detailing it.



    Thank you again! You're right, this was too focused on luminaries, but to focus it on the street level it would have taken another 3 Google Docs pages probably! :-) I'll try to put down some ideas, however, I really like "The Fall of House Sabbat" as a plot point, I think it's a shame it wasn't used more in setting material.

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  • Manfr
    replied to [V5] Fate of Sabbat luminaries
    Thank you really!

    Here's my idea of how the Sabbat fell:

    A Breakdown of Sabbat Civil War

    Melinda Galbraith is assassinated by unknown entities at the 2000 Great Ball: an hidden conspiracy between three Sabbat luminaries, - loyalist Vasantasaena, Black Hand Seraph Jalan Aajav and Inquisitor Supreme Maria Sandoza - puts Zachary Sikorsky, the last vampire to see the Regent alive, in her place.
    The three fear Sabbat has lost direction, and has become corrupt and complacent, while also suspecting internal subversion, at the hands of Infernalist minions:...
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  • Manfr
    replied to [V5] Fate of Sabbat luminaries
    Yay, Christmas Holidays! Finally I have some time for the thread!

    First of all, thank you CTPhipps



    I like the idea of a Sabbat Civil War, I think it better explains the fragmentation of the Sect: I would keep all of this, but make him just the "Regent of the Crusaders": when the Consistory implodes in Civil War, he uses the moral and emotional backlash to rally zealots from Conservatives, Orthodoxy and Loyalist factions around him. Then he goes on to the East, and his terrible end while chasing some monstrousity is one of the triggers of the Lasombra...
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    Last edited by Manfr; 12-26-2021, 07:08 AM.

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