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  • Manfr
    replied to V5 Camarilla, Chechnya
    Well, it's quite clear that they're not doing this just to feed: they are doing this because they are supernatural monsters who are influenced by an inner beast and their blood lust, and also because they really believe in their mixture of vampiric supremacism, fascism and islamic fundamentalism.
    It's written many and many times within the chapter....
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  • Manfr
    replied to V5 Camarilla, Chechnya
    I see a pattern, I don't see the Chechen section as something particularly bad, exactly because it seems to me in line with other parts of the WOD




    We are not losing it, it's still on all their approach to gaming material: there's been one exception (this one), where the two things (human and supernatural evil) were connected more strongly.



    White Wolf is daily called out as homophobic, callous, neonazi dog whistlers, islamophobic ... I've read things on FB and RPG.net which well surpassed the legal definitions of defamations. I really...
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  • Manfr
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    I get your point, absolutely, real-life, on-time tragedies evoke heavy feelings, and must be treated accordingly, with respect.
    But, Murder-of-Crows , Clanbook Tzimisce Revised had Tzimisce neonazi linching refugees in the slums of Europe, and discussion on gulags and concentration camps and how Tzimisce were involved: the prose was really a hit in the stomach, but ... it helped, it raised awareness, to know what happened there.

    The World of Darkness is our world but darker, and it's darker through the efforts of monsters... I think, what is important is that tragedies are not...
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  • Actually, wouldn't Fortitude be a good base for developing Obeah? It deals with mental and physical resistance, so causing/relieving Pain seems to be a good match
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  • Manfr
    replied to V5 Camarilla, Chechnya
    It's elaborated in the Inquisition chapter and also in the Anarch book: Brujah and Tzimisce were close ranks with the Party, KGB and concentration camps. Besides Baba Yaga, their influence was dismantled by hunters in the GRU, the Army secret service.
    As siloviki coming from former KGB took over in the page 90s, vampires gained traction again and worked hard to container the Second Inquisition.
    Also, ABREK vampires (the Chechenyan vampires) , like our world's Chechenyan overlords, were coopted later on in the Russian apparatus, before they were fighting against Russia....
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  • Manfr
    replied to Camarilla and Anarch Guides
    Take a look at the two guides, Leandro, really: What you want is covered, luckily,...
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  • Manfr
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    Granted, it's not a scientific paper of a work of investigative journalism: as far as I know about Caucasus from my University data, It looked acceptable in the description of facts, but I'm not questioning your knowledge here....
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  • Manfr
    replied to Camarilla and Anarch Guides
    Luckily Leandro both books are full of shades of gray: the Anarchs have all sort of evil or morally compromised characters, from nostalgics of Chartage which are more Baali-lite than Prometheans, to vampire feeding carelessly from families, kids and go on because no Sheriff telling them what to do or not, from Brujah Soviet bureaucrats longing for gulags where to reign supreme to Hungarian vampiric neonazi supremacists.

    Also, I'm pro-Anarch in game and as for vague political leanings (I'm a socialdemocrat, but I vote more left-wing these days), and really ... after having read both,...
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  • Manfr
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    I really agree with you, as well as with the Mark Rhein Hagen post quoted by CTPhipps .

    I frankly can't see how people coming from Nordic LARPing, which is probably the most progressive, minority-friendly and safe-space gaming envinronment out there, with extensive training and procedures on how not to harass gamers, can be accused in all fairness of despising LGBT+ people and of being more or less coded neo-nazi or alt-righters, even after they wrote in the Corebook they don't want Nazi as fans and both Camarilla and Anarch books are full of denunciations of far-right ideologies....
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  • Manfr
    replied to V5 Camarilla, Chechnya
    ​Exactly, and as Asmodai said, this is basically Vampire in a microcosm.

    In Werewolf the Apocalypse all the evils of Capitalism and the tragedy of the commos can be pinned to an omnipotent cosmic evil, and Enron and MacDonalds are accused of polluting seas and promoting obesity (of course, under a different name to not get into a lawsuit) under its command.

    Also, the Revised Clanbooks are full of quite interesting entanglements between Kindred and History, and also between Kindred and the vilest part of History: for genocides, look no further than Clanbook Tzimisce and...
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  • Manfr
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    Yes, but this is also in V5: in fact, both in Beckett's Jyhad Diary and in the corebook, there are pieces of fiction detailing how the Camarilla was initially thinking of Sabbat involvement, and how that moron Polonia tried to win propaganda points on 9/11, only to discover that, yes, it was wholly mortal. Nonetheless, the Camarilla hysteria about it contributed to the rise of the Second Inquisition and Polonia's bragging contributed to a new Sabbat Civil War....
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  • Manfr
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    I wouldn't put my money on the piousness of either an alliance between international Murder hobos vampires and Caucasic vampiric suprematists, or Ramzan Khadyrov and his army...
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  • Manfr
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    Yes of course, but the chapter talks quite a lot about this...
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  • Manfr
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    El Hijazi are Arab Ventrue: Old Clan ... I suppose and hope it's Tzimisce!...
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  • Manfr
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    It must be said that the underlined piece of fiction is written in-character, by the perspective of a Camarilla vampire. I suppose the tone is something like a diplomatic report from the Embassy, telling how unfortunate is, to be forced to rely on these kind of allies.

    Nonetheless, the chapter very well underlines how ghastly and murderous (and fascist, this is repeatedly mentioned) the Chechenian regime is, by the way with quite an accurate depiction of their methods, and very clearly speaks of the horrible systemic persecution of LGBT+ people.

    It's also picking these...
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  • (V5) "This is a coup": the new Camarilla, Archons and power

    Some impressions from the V5 Guide to the Camarilla...

    I noticed that the book briefly introduces Princes in a power diagram at the beginning, and then mentions them only many pages afterwards, when it details how a Camarilla city is built.

    The focus instead is on Justicars and Archons, their powers and their relations between them and the Inner Council: we also get to know Lucinde was nominated "Justicar for life" and we see some of her sarcastic words on Hardestadt's death, leaving me under the impression that his demise and the repercussions were quite well
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    Last edited by Manfr; 11-07-2018, 08:59 AM.
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