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  • Center-of-All
    replied to Headcanons about the World
    Brigid is, at this point, reigning Queen of the Tuatha de Danaan, on account of Manannan not technically qualifying and The Morrigan both a) not really being the political leadership type and b) being kind of on the back foot due to three thirds of her being dead (things get harder for you when there's only one third of you to go around, y'know?). Brigid technically has some connection to leadership due to her (ex?-)husband, and everyone else with a better claim is dead (and therefore disfigured). This is the reason for her recent increase in prominence in the religion. She doesn't have the Leader...
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    replied to Homebrew Aesir: Hodur, the Blind God
    Wasn't there something about Hodr fighting with Baldr over Nanna? I want to say it was in Saxo, but don't quote me on that....
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  • So, here's another thing I hadn't considered: Asmodeus: also Aeshma Daeva, or are they different guys?
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  • So, would either of you do anything with Mephistopheles in these structures? My first thought was no, insofar as he's not so much a mythological figure but a literary one, but I wanted to bounce the idea off to you.
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  • Well, a quick glance at wikipedia (I know, I know) seems to indicate Lanterne of Light classes Beelzebub as Envy and Belphegor as Gluttony, which would fill out your roster without having to pillage a potential member of the Elohim. Assuming that's accurate information from a decent source, of course.

    And that, of course, assumes that you don't want separate sorrow and/or vainglory thrones as a reference to older lists of sins....
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  • Isn't Belphegor more traditionally associated with sloth more than Belial? And maybe you can work Satan in there; he's only inconsistently treated as being the same figure as Lucifer.

    And as for Azazel, would Shemyaza be a bit more appropriate if you want a Grigori-derived lust figure? I though Azazel's thing was more being a teacher of warfare, sorcery, and other various other corruptive practices.
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  • Edit: Nevermind, evidently I need to pay more attention to aliases here
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  • Center-of-All
    replied to So, can anybody vouch for ABC-Clio?
    Ah, fantastic! Thank you for that, Sacerdos, good to know I haven't been barking up a dead end. And I'll keep everything you've said in mind. Kinda disappointed on Chinese, I was going to check that one out next, partially because I saw how varied the Japanese book took "Japanese" to mean, and I hoped the other would follow suit. I suppose you can't have everything, though.
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  • And hey, I want my Havea Hikule'o, so maybe I can have hope! (Though honestly, I've become more and more convinced of the idea of a multiplicity of Polynesian pantheons instead of one the more I've thought and read on it. Even knowing basically nothing on Central Polynesian beliefs, I really do think Hawai'i, Aotearoa, and Western Polynesia could each have a full-fledged pantheon, and that's without mentioning smaller outliers like Rapanui or Niue.)
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  • Center-of-All
    started a topic So, can anybody vouch for ABC-Clio?

    So, can anybody vouch for ABC-Clio?

    OK, so for the last day or two I've been leafing through ABC-Clio's Handbook of Japanese Mythology. I've been enjoying what I've been reading; it seems to do a good job of presenting the material with a minimum of dumbing-down, but also doesn't really ask so much prior or scholastic knowledge as to be impenetrable to a layman. They have quite a few of these handbooks, and I look forward to checking them out, too.

    Of course, that's all moot if the material itself is unreliable, and I don't really have the background necessary to make that sort of assessment myself. So, does there happen...
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  • Wait, wasn't that a plot in a Thor comic?
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  • Oh, wow, that's actually really great. Thanks for the long explanation and the link, very much appreciated. I hope you're feeling a bit better now. Looks like
    I have a bit of reading ahead of me. Thanks!
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  • Center-of-All
    replied to Baron Samedi and Maman Brigitte
    I'm not Watcher, but I don't think that's correct. I've heard from a couple of places that Erzulie specifically asked Bondeye to make her white and blonde to accord better with beauty standards in the new world, and I've also seen a bunch of places online mention a white slave-owner loa called Dinclinsin, though I've never found a very good source on him.
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  • OK, that's fair, thank you. Seems like a pretty standard "hunter god" set with a sloth?-induced Prosperity thrown in.

    My question on the matter wasn't due to a "One good god" thing, that wasn't really the impression I got, but due to his rather strong cult. I figured that there must have been a reason he had one (people presumably either thought he'd help them in some way, or that he'd cause some sort of harm if they didn't; your write up of him does mention a protective function at a couple of points, and you're not going to guard something if you literally do...
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  • Center-of-All
    replied to [Fan-made] Burmese Pantheon - the Nat
    Cool, glad to hear it. You seem to have added new members, too. Neat. Looking forward to it.
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  • Eh, we'll see. She wasn't in the Origins pantheon list in the Origins text-only preview, either, but she still had her stats in the Hero text preview. More damning, actually, is that Brahma and Xiwangmu, both of whom were in the text preview, are now no longer in evidence. Either way, those three would still be my top guesses for being the Companion additions for their respective pantheons.

    Also, another question! Would you have any Calling/Purview recommendations for anyone who wanted to go against your recommendations and run Kurunta as a divine parent?...
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  • Thank you very much for your responses. Always wonderful to hear more about your stuff. I actually came up with something else after sleeping on it, but I was wondering if your standards of assessment for purviews and gods has changed at all recently in reaction to 2e? A bit of a comparison between your 2.0 TtD and the official pantheon for 2e pretty clearly shows that you had much more exacting standards as to what constitutes a major member of a pantheon, and as to what constitutes sufficient evidence for a purview being associated. Did 2e's looser criteria influence your own considerations...
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  • Well, now that I'm not trying to type on a Playstation, I can talk about this again. More thoughts and questions.

    1. The setting material seems to imply that you presume worship in the Shiunesh is extinct or very nearly so, much moreso than implied for most pantheons in the new core. This seems especially blatant in the paragraph crossing pages 50 and 51. Was this divergence from the norm for this edition an intentional design choice on the part of your team, and if so, why did you make it? Or am I way off base?

    2. Related to #1, if Shiunesh worship is so limited, why...
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  • So, I've stumbled across some online discussion of a figure named Qormusta, a supposed king figure of the Mongolian gods who has a feud with Erlik and a self-inflicted prophecy of doom. Are you familiar with this character, or was I being duped?
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