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  • I remember that Monty Python sketch 😂...
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  • Andreas Rayne
    replied to Montrovant
    No problem

    It's in Dark Prophecy, book 3 in Trilogy of the Blood Curse.

    Edit: If you happen to re-read them and understand exactly what happened to Nicholas please tell me 😂.
    I've read them a few times over the years and I've still not quite got my head around what he becomes.
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  • Andreas Rayne
    replied to Montrovant
    If I remember correctly (my books are boxed up and it's been years since I read them) Montrovant was consumed by the...thing Nicholas had become. Read: weird unholy vessel for thousands of wraiths/spectres.

    As for Kli Kodesh: he's still out there, cursed to walk the earth until the Time of Judgement.
    Judas has to see how it all ends I guess and to quote KotOR II "There must always be a Darth Traya. The galaxy needs it's betrayers." 😛
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  • Thank you very much everybody.

    I think I'm going to go ahead with this.
    There are no Tremere in the city or surrounding areas so bumping into an actual Tremere isn't going to be an issue.
    Though an idea sprang to mind that sometime in the future the players could bump into the Tremere/Salubri's 'Sire' and through conversation discover the Cainite they've been traveling with met Final Death several years ago.
    It's starting to write itself
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  • Salubri masquerading as the enemy.

    I'm running a Dark Ages game at the moment set in 1138, although the date will advance at certain intervals until we are in the Final Nights.

    One of my player's characters; a Malkavian doctor wishes to learn the "legendary healing powers of the Salubri".
    I'm making this search for a Salubri part of the plot, with the possibility of him learning Valeren in the future.
    As to the identity and whereabouts of the Salubi, I have nothing written.
    But something came to mind, and I don't know if it's brilliant or just plain ridiculous.

    One of the Coterie...
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  • Andreas Rayne
    replied to The Premascines
    Thank you all for your replies.
    It's given me food for thought and stopped me obsessing over a solid answer, which after all is how it should be. There's no fun without wiggle room.
    I think I'd gotten it into my head that it was some kind of exile. I never stopped to think that perhaps the Premascines had chosen that way of unlife.
    It's also freeing to think that not all of the pre-bite Giovanni are down there.

    On a side note as Black Fox pointed out, I'd never stopped to think how much is missing in terms of Giovanni history, especially the distinct lack of information...
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  • Andreas Rayne
    replied to The Premascines
    Obviously I was over-simplifying

    Perhaps my problem stems from a simple misunderstanding. I've always read it as if the Premascines were put down there out of a sort of embarrassment at best, or as a punishment at worst.
    The text never gave me the impression that it might be THEIR idea to be there.
    If it is that solves the issue.
    Although I'd still expect there to be those who chose not to reside under Venice.

    And then if you take into consideration that in some material some Giovanni manifested the painful bite and lack of a deathly pallor BEFORE...
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  • Andreas Rayne
    replied to The Premascines
    But surely they didn't all decide to go underground?
    And also by that logic isn't Augustus himself "Cappadocian with the Giovanni name"?
    This idea that all Giovanni from the first embrace to the last one right before the diablerie of Cappadocius all of a sudden have to make themselves scarce just doesn't fly with me.


    This is where my problem stems from.
    The way it is written it sounds like ALL the pre-bite Giovanni are down there, regardless of if they had reservations over Augustus's scheme or not.

    And this is why I feel like I'm missing...
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  • Andreas Rayne
    started a topic The Premascines

    The Premascines

    I'm currently running a Vampire game that will play through events from 1138 to the Final Nights.
    One of the key NPC's is Giovanni (Well, he's Cappadocian right now, but you get the idea) and it got me thinking of the Premascines and my slight issue with them.

    I always found the idea of the Premascines interesting but something about them didn't make sense to me.
    Are we to believe that all of the pre-bite Giovanni are swimming around Venice looking like drowned corpses and have cut themselves off (or have been cut off) from the rest of the clan's nightly affairs?
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    Last edited by Andreas Rayne; 09-02-2019, 02:53 PM.
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