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  • I don't think that there's a general rule for that. But an interesting approach to that is by looking at the templates provided in Guildbooks because they are concepts for standing PCs = "young" wraiths. And there you have two wraiths at least century old (an Artificer and Pardonner (sin eater) I'm not sure about the latter; victims of epidemy, smallpox if I remember correctly), an actress who starred in silent movies (one of her Fetter is a token from Rudolf Valentino), Vietnam War casualty, secretary killed by KGB and that means before 1991, possibly way before and the rest or at least...
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  • You're right, I also recall this. I believe it was in one of the books published in Poland. And that means:

    Vampire: the Masquerade Core rulebook (2nd & revised edition), Player's Guide (2nd edition), Player's Guide to Sabbat (2nd edition), Dark Ages (1st edition), Hunter's Hunted (1st edition) Clanbook Assamite & Clanbook Gangrel (2nd edition)

    Werewolf: the Apocalypse core rulebook (2nd edition), Storyteller's Screen (2nd edition), Storyteller's Guide (2nd edition), Player's Guide (2nd edition), Rite of Passage (1st edition), Under A Blood Red Moon (2nd edition)...
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  • OK, that's concrete. But I still like the idea for a campaign which makes the Traditions and Technocracy putting aside their war and working together to stop an insane (as if there were any sane :P) Marauder from mass Awakening the unprepared Mortals .

    Now all that we need is to know how many psychics/medium/Gypsies are there to have all supernatural population covered ....
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  • OK, but I was refering to one of the christian theories which I've heard that the number of all fallen angels is 6666 . And thanks for the info....
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  • Well, there are many books I have to read. Mostly I ignore revised edition, cause, as you mentioned, every edition push the timeline forward and my campaign is waaaayyyy before 2018. I flip through many books but I didn't focus on them.

    But

    The main thing that we argue about is the number of Mages. It's true that mages come from human. So do Vampires, some Werewolves and Changelings. Not to mention Wraiths (many of supernaturals can become Wraiths after death). We also have Gypsies, psychics, mediums, hedge magic users and ex Orpheus Group employees. Some of supernaturals...
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  • Ok, I didn't read all the sourcebooks (like Dies Ignis). I believe that so are you. So to answer you:

    Vampires: 10k is my assumption. If almost 3000 vampires from various books are gathered by one person in a some form of census, there are some that weren't mentioned and some who weren't used per se as the specific characters (like p. ex. templates). So I tripled the number from the census.

    As for werewolves if the smallest tribe has 200 members, the largest 2000 the median will be around 1000 (even if the second and third largest one have 1300 - 1500 members). 1000x13+2x1000...
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  • I've got a few doubts about your theories.

    First of all: the number of vampires: in V:tM Core rulebook there's a statement that every 100k people should sustain one vampire (for the sake of Masquerade). But it's not a rule. If it was a rule there should be about 27 vampires in Chicago and there is certainly more. Same in other Cities. Plus in vampire genealogy (someone wrote down every vampire from every cWoD book) states that there are 2615 known vampire. And some of them met their Final Death. Even if we assume that there are some that wasn't described and and that all of character...
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  • Nail Eater
    replied to ARG by Paradox - Tender
    There is a theory on polish video games site that it's a forerunner for a new Vampire: the Masquerade game. Bloodlines II maybe ? I am waiting for some Pentex companies commercials .
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