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  • Same answer as last time, I'm waiting to know what direction we're taking the Church of the Valley. Are we merging them in the People's Guard? Going more religious? Revert to the old secular group?
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  • The Kings Raven
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    Oh oh...

    I'm kidding Hakollel are (from my limited understanding of theology) rather blasphemous. But that's intentional, you're supposed to ask if Hakollel are cutting edge Rabbi's who's discovery of formally lost lore means they know better than other Rabbi's or if they've succumbed to hubris out of a desire for miracles on demand. Hubris is as much a part of rabbinical lore as Awakening....
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  • The Kings Raven
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    For MI18 hunters the absolute must is that they're perfect gentlemen. If you haven't seen Kingsman watch it. The second thing to bear in mind is that they play very very dirty.

    This juxtiposition is key. An MI18 member should make slitting a defenceless Russian hacker's throat while she sleeps look suave and sophisticated. Their sample hunters should explore these themes. Some ideas off the top of my head.
    • A former football hooligan who thinks that the upper class aren't any better, they just hide it well.
    • Someone who's seen too much horror on the job and is a bit of an empty
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  • The Kings Raven
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    I don't like being too critical, but MI18 keeps the mad scientists locked up in the mental asylum / labs, not on the front line. The actual hunters are more James Bond types, who'd casually kill a man in cold blood and laugh it off with a snappy one liner. They've had stereotypes since the start too.

    Flyboy254 I like the write up, but the Lord Stewards wouldn't employ operatives directly. When they need spying done they'd ask for aid from an intelligence services.
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  • The Kings Raven
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    I think it probably has more to do with the fact that zombies are a different genera to the Underworld - post appoclpytic rather than dungeon crawl. Now I've had more time to think about it, it might be worth considering a fade to light grey at the top rather than a fade to pure white....
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  • The Kings Raven
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    Sounds good to me flyboy.

    Reaper, I like the new art but maybe drop the hands from the bottom. It's hard to put my finger on why but I don't think they fit.
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  • Carte du Monde Mort ("map of the dead") might work; but I still prefer Préparation
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  • Two or three words tops to an Endowment name IMO.
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  • Shouldn't be hard.

    Préparation (O - OOOOO)

    The difference between success and death in the great unknown is not one of natural brilliance or martial powers, the difference is far simpler. Preparation. The longer a Hunter remains in the company of Société d’Hadès, the more they hear and learn about the great below, and the more they bring with them. For each dot in this Endowment the Hunter gains one point which can be spent to:
    • Gain an automatic Exceptional Success on a Survival roll while in the catacombs of Paris.
    • Add Status to a navigation roll while in the Underworld.
    • Gain
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  • The Kings Raven
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    But... Isn't that what we did?

    What I meant was that, if we have two duplicates obviously we'd want to keep the better one of the two - and it just seems like it might be better to pick both than argue over which one is better.

    Especially if both authors are on this thread... admitedly not too likely....
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  • The Kings Raven
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    So what proposals do people have for the Talent/Frailtey? I don't see how you could do Jekyll/Hyde justice without it looking like dissociative identity disorder to some extent.

    They have similar themes, but folklore vs patrotism and American vs British are real differences.

    Personally I wouldn't worry about duplicates. There's no point in arguing about which group is better....
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  • The Kings Raven
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    Hakollel are now done. except for art. There's been a lot of tweaks to them over the years - so while I recommend getting the final version of all my groups from the forums this goes double for Hakollel.
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  • Oh sure. My natural inclination would be to say that there have been, and still are, many different Compacts/Conspiracies of invisible servants; but you're right that it is a timeless idea.
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  • Their thing is and always has been that they're the invisible people, the people society never notices. The street sweepers who work when the middle classes are asleep. The housekeepers who fade into the background. The illegal immigrant with no papers.

    For some invisibility is a danger: Society cannot see the Nests where they live or where they work, society cannot see when their employers take advantage of them, and to these the Conspiracy is protection. It provides weapons, Endowments, the tools they need to survive.

    For others invisibility is a strength: They can...
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  • For me, waiting to know what direction we're taking the Church of the Valley. Are we merging them in the People's Guard? Going more religious? Revert to the old secular group?

    Vent0, you're caught in the hurricane? My sympathies!
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  • The Kings Raven
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    The Loyalists of Thule: Anyone can return to god, even you. Go seek your redemption, seek it far away from me.

    I think to finish off we need another positive stereotypy. Maybe the Hearth of Hestia: community spirit, traditional values, and I don't think Hakollel would care about people converting to the worship of Hestia just so long as it wasn't Jews converting. It's not like the Hearth break any Noahide laws.

    Hearth of Hestia: What a wonderful meal. You shouldn't go to the trouble to cook a kosher roast when your vegetables are such a delight... and I won't tell your...
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  • The Kings Raven
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    I approve I'd suggest capitalising the F in the final fire.

    Now what do we do for the Loyalists of Thule?
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  • The Kings Raven
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    Thanks. I'm glad you like it.

    Shame, it would have been good if someone could argue the non-religious interpretation of the fire.

    IMO, keep it simple. One or the other....
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  • The Kings Raven
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    Of those three I lean towards the Malleus, as they're more thematically "pure" than the Order with it's themes of communist persecution.

    But maybe it should be more of a sadness that Christianity doesn't live up to it's potential rather than hostility. It might fit better with the playful eccentric Dumbledoor-ish vibe I want to go for. And Judaism does have a strong streak of live and let live about other faiths. The Noahide Laws are really easy to uphold.

    Malleus Maleficarum: Yeshua, such a nice Jewish boy. I think he would be very sad to see what happened....
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  • The Kings Raven
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    Ah. I miss those slow days

    Anyway, the MM are obvious choices as the largest religious organisation. The Loyalists of Thule are a must, but I'm not sure what direction to take. Feel free to nominate one of your groups. For their voice, I imagine a slightly rambling and slightly teasing voice. "I'm too old and wise to get worked up about things", a bit like Set Roth from Wolfenstein, except more cheerful because he's not living in a world ruled by Nazis. Maybe something like:

    Maidens Blood Sisterhood: That book was here yesterday. Ah, there it is. Lets see,...
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