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  • Samudra
    replied to Scion x WtA: Totem Spirit Pantheon
    No, what you specifically said, in response to people pointing out the many unfortunate implications of a lot of WtA's fluff, was "In the end, it's a game, not a sociology/theology lesson, and if you are running something that is fun, creative, and non-offensive to your group, how is that badwrongfun?" and if you come to a public forum stating that just because people in a group have no problem with something, it should not be a problem for anyone, which is patently ridiculous, then people should absolutely be telling you you can't; if I knew a group of people had gotten together to...
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    Last edited by Samudra; 07-30-2020, 12:25 PM.

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  • Samudra
    replied to Scion x WtA: Totem Spirit Pantheon
    No, I am outraged at the first paragraph you had written about nationalism and implying that being sensitive to cultures is akin to using mythology for propaganda, when the actual propaganda was done by the writers appropriating it, not the cultures.

    I am outraged at the idea that anyone here was implying there be one one true depiction, when we were actually arguing against an unfounded depiction by those outside the community the myths belong to.

    I am outraged by the idea that you seem to think that these stories are free fodder for use in satirical narratives to begin...
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  • Samudra
    replied to Scion x WtA: Totem Spirit Pantheon
    Making a statement in criticism of the overarching religious institution of the society you are a part of is light years different from taking the culture of a historically (and presently) oppressed people... they are not the same, and no, you do not just get to use it in your fiction without the permission of the culture you are using... your creative license as an author does not overrule or give you the right to ignore their opinions... if they are unamused by it, it should absolutely be scrapped. I cannot believe that this still needs to be said in the year of your Lord 2020. There is also...
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    Last edited by Samudra; 07-30-2020, 07:18 AM.

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  • Samudra
    replied to Scion x WtA: Totem Spirit Pantheon
    Personally I wouldn't recommend critically aping it either

    About the only good thing I can say about Temple of Doom's Kali is that at least it's not Supernatural's Kali ...
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  • Samudra
    replied to Scion x WtA: Totem Spirit Pantheon
    I would just like to note also, btw, that Critian Caceorte has already said that they're considering ways to change the Native American Tribes, and I whole-heartedly approve of that decision My criticism is of the views expressed post that, not of them.
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  • Samudra
    replied to Scion x WtA: Totem Spirit Pantheon
    No, it's played correctly when you don't risk offending real, marginalized, groups that are still suffering; please do not try and frame concern about racism as intellectual elitism.



    Being a game excuses nothing, and this is about as useful an argument as 'don't make this political'... just as all debates and opinions are inherently an expression of politics, all interactions are lessons, whether you want to be or not... human beings always learn from each other, and if your game is teaching the table that this is ok, then it is, indeed, 'badwrongfun' because those people...
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  • Samudra
    replied to Scion x WtA: Totem Spirit Pantheon
    No, not ok.... Abso-fucking-lutely NOT OK to Hel Naraka and Tartarus. It is *never* ok to parrot stupid racist shit... unknowingly parroting racist shit is the fucking bedrock of racism, and going 'someone else said it first so it's ok if you do, is being willfully ignorant at best and morally repugnant at worst....
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  • Samudra
    replied to Scion x WtA: Totem Spirit Pantheon
    I would actually suggest very much cutting off any connection between this entity and the Manitou villains, since A. The Wendigo are a whole collection of monsters, not a single individual, so "Wendigo... Who's Wendigo" doesn't make sense to begin with and B. Wendigo are supposed to be the worst monsters of a First Nations Culture, with no possibility of redemption once they've crossed over into full Wendigo-hood... Taking that and turning it into a Patron option for Protagonists has many unfortunate implications.

    EDIT : As an aside, the Uktena is Cherokee, not Ojibwe,...
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    Last edited by Samudra; 07-29-2020, 05:14 AM.

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  • Samudra
    replied to Scion x WtA: Totem Spirit Pantheon
    Just to be clear I don't think calling the Deva Idiots is going to be an improvement ...
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  • Samudra
    replied to Scion x WtA: Totem Spirit Pantheon
    Hilariously Kronos isn't locked up... Zeus lets him (and if the scraps of Prometheus Unbound are to be believed, all the imprisoned male Titans) out like two paragraphs after their defeat to rule Elysium I'm pretty certain Atlas is the only person still suffering for that kerfuffle....
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  • Samudra
    replied to Scion x WtA: Totem Spirit Pantheon
    Maybe don't refer to the Divinities of a very real (and still practiced) religion, as Idiots in favor of a made up version of an antagonist from a different Pantheon, turned character from a different game entirely, and imply that all the other Pantheons (including this fictional one) are smarter than them, thank you....
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    Last edited by Samudra; 07-28-2020, 09:19 AM.

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