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  • Samudra
    replied to Subjective World ending?
    I would love to see this idea expanded upon, with your additional thoughts and ideas maybe with consideration for 2E where the Titans aren't an equal universal threat, so maybe some other origin story for the Worlds becoming the World might be needed ...
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  • Samudra
    replied to September Update: Check out the Devas!
    So, I'll get your question about opposition out of the way first... In general, Indra does not oppose Vishnu in myth. In the Vedas, Vishnu is a minor Sun god possibly representing the Sun's power as keeper of Time and in some versions of the Vritra myth he helps Indra to kill Vritra (in some others Sarasvati does, so both a future Trimurti and a future Tridevi member have a story of helping Indra in his great battle against Vritra in the Veda). In latter day Puranic era myth, we see Indra actually becoming Vishnu's supplicant... Indra comes to Vishnu after the demon of the week has taken over...
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  • Samudra
    replied to How Dangerous are the Devas?
    Hmm, definitely... I don't mean to say that if, say, the population of Theoi worshipers in the World is three times as much as they are in the real world, that the number of Hindus in the World is likewise going to be three times as much as IRL... but I do expect that they, as well as Pantheons like the Shen and Kami, will have more worshipers than IRL. I am interested to know how Zoroastrianism fares in the World though... if that religion was not as overtaken by Islam in it's ancestral homeland of Iran then what caused their large scale migration to India... or are there just fewer Parsis in...
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  • Samudra
    replied to How Dangerous are the Devas?
    True that... though interestingly, this also implies that in the World the Deva have even more of a worshiper base than they do IRL, since fewer of their ancestral adherents in Asia converted to the Abrahamic religions....
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  • Samudra
    replied to How Dangerous are the Devas?
    I'm pretty certain those six are from certain traditions of Buddhist myth, not Hindu, though obviously the two religions have a number of terms in common.
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  • Samudra
    replied to How Dangerous are the Devas?
    Hmm... the Deva's weapon panoply is considerable for two reasons: Firstly, the scale of damage they can cause - While the Astras of Indra and the other members of his court are usually described as only being able to destroy an army or two at once, the weapons of the Trimurti and others are often described as continent, if not outright world destroying. Part of that, I'm sure, is hyperbole... but do you really want to test that?

    Secondly, the sheer number of weapons available. Whereas in other Pantheons some of the most powerful and warlike deities have special weapons (The Greeks...
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  • Samudra
    replied to Ask Neall
    This might be a thing that goes differently depending on Pantheon... how do the Greeks look at Memory? For the Deva, at least in some Traditions, Memory is a byproduct of Attachment, and Attachment is a byproduct of the Material World, all three of which are covered by Deception to some degree... hence why Durga, who is Parama Prakriti (The Supreme Embodiment of Material Nature) is also MahaMaya (The Grand Illusion of Attachment) and MahaSmriti (The Great Embodiment of Memory)... all of which, for her, are technically channeled through Deception because that's how her Legend is built (same as...
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  • Samudra
    replied to Godly Kryptonite?
    IIRC Neall once mentioned that the 2e PSPs are supposed to be wide enough to include all the quirks various Pantheons display... hence why so many of them are less 'power sets' and more 'power sources' (thematically speaking of course, obviously mechanically they all have powers). So, Egyptians have Heku, the sorcery of the soul, and isn't all power in and magic and miracle in Egyptian mythology fundamentally derived from the different parts of the soul and their sorcery? Similarly for the Deva, their PSP is Yoga, and all power in Hindu myth is derived from Yoga... it is the source of all miracles,...
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  • Samudra
    replied to Godly Kryptonite?
    That actually sounds like it could be an interesting God level Metamorphosis Boon Can't speak for what kind of mechanical nightmare it would be to balance though ...
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  • Samudra
    replied to Godly Kryptonite?
    One possibility with the Hindu Gods is to borrow an Astra or gain a Boon from another God (or even the same one). Brahma has given out multiple Boons to people who've used them to kick Indra and his entire court out of Svarga, and Shiva at one point gave out a Boon to someone to be able to blow up anyone's head by touching it... which he promptly tried to use on Shiva himself. Vishnu had to save him from that mess by seducing the guy into touching his own head. Many of the wielder's of Astras and Boons are Asura titanspawn or Scion Heroes, but there's technically nothing stopping a mortal from...
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  • Samudra
    replied to Ask Neall
    If you're willing to extend that to storyteling and history, I wonder if Artistry could also work....
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  • Samudra
    replied to The Missing John's Scion Resources Pantheons?
    Sent you a PM Enjoy...
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  • Samudra
    replied to The Missing John's Scion Resources Pantheons?
    John's Scion Resources, or JSR, used to be a Scion fan site with re-writes of many rules along with quite a bit of original content... The couple that ran the site have since closed it in favour of pursuing their own projects, but a lot of their stuff is still used by the community, even if they don't use the rules per se, since their work was known for a high level of research and writing quality... I have most of their old pdfs, you can PM me if you want to take a look at any of them....
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  • Samudra
    replied to Ask Neall
    Also, looking through that list, I have an opposite question... why does Chantico, whose write-up spends half of itself describing her connections to banks and protections, not have Guardian, but does have Liminal?
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  • Samudra
    replied to Ask Neall
    I think that might be a side effect of the Three Calling Limit... Liminal deities by definition do a bunch of other stuff, since they are 'in-between' Gods, meaning they have a bunch of potential Callings... Shiva, for example, is very definitely a Liminal God, but I'm stumped as to which of his current set to dump to make way for it since those all make sense for him. I think this leads to the situation where Psychopomps and Underworld Gods (who are 'double-dipping' in Liminal, so to speak) are the ones who very clearly have it and a whole bunch of other Gods have picked up Knacks from it....
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    Last edited by Samudra; 10-01-2017, 02:54 PM.

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  • Samudra
    replied to Ask Neall
    From what we've seen of the way Scion's Gods operate, there really doesn't seem to be any reason to find a 'special' place for them... they have the exact same place as all Gods... if the ST wants them to exist, they exist, if not they don't. The system by which Gods are represented seems more than adequate to model them, and any special quirks or deviations can be modeled into PSP powers.

    It seems like a potential place for a future supplement, if the line authors ever want to tackle it, though admittedly not one I'd be personally very interested in. As for how they relate to other...
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  • Samudra
    replied to The Missing John's Scion Resources Pantheons?
    Found a whole bunch of their pdfs in the depths of my hard drive a few days ago... sent you a link for the Inue ...
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  • Samudra
    replied to Ask Neall
    Thank you I do my best... I hope your path to full historianship (historianhood?) goes smoothly.



    I figure that if nothing else Sarasvati can get behind Freddie Mercury It's also interesting to know the Parsi communities views on Durga and Kali.

    And thank you... it's great to have a Yazata expert on the forums as well... I'm really looking forward to seeing what 2e does with them.



    Thank you so much

    It's actually Durga Puja here in Kolkata right now... that big festival in Durga's honour that is spoken of in...
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  • Samudra
    replied to Ask Neall
    Ganesha has already been stated in the Preview as being very open to working with people his Pantheon might in general be wary of... in addition, the largest communities of Parsis in India live in Mumbai, which is Ganesha's city... they likely have his explicit protection, and I do not doubt that the community's interactions with him, both IRL and in the World, were significant factors in his viewpoints towards working with Asura. The Preview also mentions that no matter what the Deva think of the Yazata, they strongly disapprove of taking any of that out on the Parsi community.

    All...
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  • Samudra
    replied to September Update: Check out the Devas!
    Dyaus and Prithvi, along with the third member of the Vedic Triad Aditi, are most definitely Primordials... or at least they were in the Vedas.

    Unlike the more complicated 14 + 2 Plane cosmology of the Puranic era, the Vedas saw all of reality divided into a much simpler 3 Tier system : Heaven (Svar), Earth (Bhu) and everything In-Between (Bhuvar). These three Goddesses (Yes, three godesses, I'm getting to that) are the Primordial personifications of these three Planes. Dyaus (Shining One) is the Embodiment of Heaven, whose Principal deity is the Sun and who is the abode of the Gods;...
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