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  • Not on paper as of now, afaik. Which isn't to say it couldn't happen in your game, but it would be a Big Deal, because the reason demons (and in fact, everyone except mages) cannot speak or learn High Speech is that it isn't a language in the traditional fallen world sense - it relies on supernal symbolism that can only be interpreted by those who are attuned to the Supernal. Demons cannot learn to speak High Speech for the same reason humans cannot learn to speak radio waves; they lack the sensory apparatus.

    Now in theory it should be possible to modify a demon in some way to allow...
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  • Most (all?) Infrastructure is hidden, either in space-time folds humans can't normally access, using mundane deception or iirc behind "psychic blocks" that a mortal's attention just sort of slides off. If nothing else it's strongly implied that mortals in the nWoD, probably as a result of the God-Machine's meddling, have a strong instinct to ignore and suppress memories of inexplicable phenomena. So even if they do catch a glimpse of something, 99% of humans will just tell themselves they imagined it and get on with their lives.

    But I have to assume that if the mortal does...
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  • Said the Sin-Eater. But what do they know about ghosts, am I right fellow mages?...
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  • Terrorforge
    replied to Ask Neall
    Those things don't necessarily happen to Incarnates any more than they do to any other Scion, and they don't play out exactly as they did in myth anyway. As always with stories about fate (or Fate in this case) they may think they know what's going to happen, but they'll still be surprised. I'm reminded of the story of Örvar-Oddr, who was told it was his fate to be killed by his horse Faxi. He summarily killed the horse, lived another three hundred years, and then one day he stumbled on the old horse skull and was killed by the serpent that now lived in it.

    Also, do not underestimate...
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  • Because even when we're talking in-splat power measuring contests, it's always struck me as weird that Mindbender the Dominating Methuselah doesn't have any more resistance to Vinny Ventrue's attempts to go digging around in his skull than his rent-a-cop ghoul.

    I've learned this is not so much a thing in 2e Dominate specifically since there's a Blood Potency component to the requisite use of Mesmerize, but e.g. Demon is full of powers (like The Word) that supernaturals (including other demons and many angels, excepting those higher-ranked ones with silly Resistance scores) are effectively...
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  • by RAW it sounds like it wouldn't have an effect, but I'd probably call for a Clash of Wills or something just because i don't like the idea of various splats bypassing each others' powers because there's no explicit attention paid to it in the write-up. For example, it sounds unfair that a demon fresh off the Fall could just roll up to a centuries-old master of Dominate and use The Word on him, and he'd have no more defense against it than a particularly stubborn mall cop would.

    Unless that's the point, of course. I might do that if I wanted to introduce Demons as something so weird...
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  • I'm not sure if there's a ruling on this in 2e, but in 1e if an attribute is reduced to 0, you don't get to roll at all. The idea being that e.g. no amount of Firearms skill will make up for the fact that having zero Dexterity means you have completely lost the ability to coordinate your movements....
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  • On a similar tack to Khanwulf's #1, does the healing occur at the start or end of the werewolf's turn? It matters for wound penalties.
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  • On that note, probably the most important tool you have for gaining "extra" Reach is planning and preparation. Creating or borrowing a Demesne is the most extreme example, but even if you don't have that option most of your free Reach usually goes to the "tax" of casting the spell instantly and/or at range. So arrange a situation where you can spend three hours (or less, depending on Gnosis) within touching distance of your target, and you've gotten yourself two free Reach, my friend.
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  • Casting in a Demesne (or naturally occurring Verge) does not risk Paradox, and thus effectively affords you infinite Reach.

    With dedicated tools it's worth noting that reducing a two-dice Paradox pool to zero is not the same thing as not risking Paradox - there's still a chance die to roll....
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  • Communal. Headstrong. Passive, preferring to simple live and let live, but very dangerous when roused to action by anger or fear....
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  • No. It specifically allows you to create a Cover as either a ghost or spirit.

    However, allowing it to work on other ephemeral entities seems like a perfectly fine effect for an Interlock or near-field gadget....
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  • Terrorforge
    replied to What's the inspirations
    That's discussed in the core rulebook. p.25-26

    Some big ones include The Matrix, the works of spy-turned-author John le Carré and some of Neil Gaman's stories that concern angels.
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  • Terrorforge
    replied to Ask Neall
    There's language to the effect of "if the Scion's parent belongs to multiple pantheons, just pick one of the available purviews/motifs."
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  • Terrorforge
    replied to Ragnarok: Odin's Fault?
    Yeah, it's always seemed to me that there was a dimension of tragic irony to Ragnarök. I'm not sure if it's an intentional part of the original stories or just something that appears when I look on them with modern eyes, but it sure does look like the aesir created their own worst problems because they were too scared to deal with them like adults.

    Then again, prophecy in the Norse world does seem to be inescapable. If they had treated Fenrir with respect, perhaps Ragnarök could have been avoided - or perhaps he would have fallen prey to some deception and unwittingly slain Odin...
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  • I'm not sure what you're responding to, but ftr it's precisely as useful for a transgender person as it is for any other werewolf, with the added benefit of being a way better treatment for gender dysphoria than any human medical intervention....
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  • Terrorforge
    replied to Multiple Soul Pacts (human)
    Yes. The specific rules for this can be found in Interface, the short story collection, on page 124 onward. They can not only delay until they touch the pactbound as with a soul pact, they can also (for a small price) put specific timers and/or conditions on it....
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  • A hunter would. But it's also unclear what it means to be "at its supporting Infrastructure". Does an Angel need its own Infrastructure, or can it be any Infrastructure? How much time do they have to spend there? Do they have to just be around it or do they need to jack in and refuel? And what's the limit of "their infrastructure", anyway? Would an angel summoned to stalk a specific city count the whole thing as Infrastructure?

    When I ran into this problem a while back it was specifically in the context of a squad of hunter angels in Cover getting beamed in due...
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  • You seem to be thinking of the Goetic Demons of first edition. Second edition expands this concept into the wider "Goetia", mind-creatures which represent all sorts of mental constructs, including various "sins" but also stuff like "Jame's love for his brother Thomas" or the abstract concept of "a cowboy"....
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  • Terrorforge
    replied to Ask Neall
    You still have to roll at least one success. So you don't auto succeed a diff 2 roll because you have 3e, because you still need the the one from the roll....
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