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  • Terrorforge
    replied to Alternative Familiar ideas
    Not particularly more dangerous than having a regular familiar captured. Afaik the main danger of a soul stone falling into the wrong hands is that it has a Connected sympathetic tie with you, and so does a familiar. I guess you could have have the Familiar spell destroyed if the entity is captured, but I suspect an entity that was your familiar until three seconds ago will probably still have at least a Strong connection.

    e: and it probably won't appreciate you ditching it at the first sign of trouble...
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  • Terrorforge
    replied to Clash of Wills Questions
    According to Werewolf (2e, p. 115):...
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  • Terrorforge
    replied to Alternative Familiar ideas
    You know what you could do? An Imbued Item. It's probably the most efficient way of giving a non-Mage the ability to cast a given spell. It takes quite a bit of Prime, but I'm sure you can ferret out some contact in the Consilium to justify taking the Merit at least.

    But also, doing stupid wizard things is kind of a theme in Mage. Getting your dog mauled by ghosts because you thought it would be cool to have a permanent pet Barghest is precisely the sort of hubristic "oh shit" mistake an inexperienced Death/Life specialist would make.
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  • Terrorforge
    replied to Alternative Familiar ideas
    Every individual thing (other than humans) has a spirit. Or had one at some point, anyway. When a tree sprouts, an animal is born or a building goes up, a mote is born. This also goes for fleeting things like emotions; whenever a human gets sad, a baby sadness-spirit comes into existence, though it usually starves to death sooner rather than later as the human's mood changes and the sadness-Essence dries up. Animal-spirits are a little more resilient since they usually have at least the entire lifespan of their associated animal to build up strength, but the real heavy-hitters are the spirits...
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  • Terrorforge
    replied to Alternative Familiar ideas
    To be fair, it's not spelled out directly at all. The Familiar Merit grants the Familiar Condition which states that it is created by the Familiar spell. And you were absolutely right, it's not a thing that exists. I only brought up the pre-existing Familiar spell because even if you decide that your animal companion isn't literally a Familiar in the mechanical sense, looking at how similar effects work and what they require is a good way to steer your Creative Thaumaturgy in the right direction....
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  • Terrorforge
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    Familiar is just a Spirit/Death/Mind 4 spell depending on the type of entity, so it stands to reason that you could create an animal familiar with just Life 4. The critical difference is that an animal does not have the human-level (though not human-like) intelligence of a spirit or goetia, so you can't really give commands or negotiate the terms of your relationship like you could with an ephemeral entity. Without further enhancements, it will behave like an animal. It doesn't have Essence of suffer bleed, either, so I think you'd want to make sure there's something else in it for the animal....
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  • In situations like this it's also worth considering the angel's exact role and skill set.

    Is the angel specifically a manipulative secret agent inserted into the Institute's hierarchy to safeguard it from demonic intrusion? Then it almost certainly knows how to attack demons in subtle but devastating ways without exposing itself, like framing them for a crime, as suggested.

    Is it meant as an uncomplicated bruiser, enforcing company policy and plugging leaks with extreme prejudice? Then it's probably nowhere near that clever and will likely just warn security and wait...
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  • Their Covers would only be damaged in the mechanical sense if they suffer Compromise for using Exploits or Demonic Form Abilities. Their lower-case-c covers are of course blown, as the angel now recognizes them and will likely attack on sight. It will probably seek them out, but remember that the angel has to investigate - it's actually quite hard to find out who someone is just from having seen them once, so unless the PCs made the mistake of giving someone at the institute incriminating details about themselves, it'll have a devil of a time finding them.

    What it will not do is call...
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    Last edited by Terrorforge; 08-16-2017, 07:28 AM.

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  • Ex Nihilo has a clause that explicitly forbids things that do not "operate according to known physical principles", which I'd presume applies to other applications of Matter. It's a little unclear to me what the in-universe justification for that is, but since a mage doesn't have to know anything about cell phones except that cell phones exist to make one it's not simply a matter of learning how a quantum computer would work, were one to exist.

    You could definitely create a magical better-than-quantum computer with some additional Arcana, though. Which ones depend on what...
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  • "Success counts as “revealing a key fact about yourself” if the investigator is human, or else gives the researcher equivalent knowledge that could be shared with humans to undermine a demon’s Cover."

    This doesn't contradict anything I said. The investigation rules work on the principle that revealing yourself to humans is inherently Compromising, and specifically call out that a non-human entity (such as an angel) learning facts about you only damages your Cover if they choose to share that information with humans.

    Revealing yourself to an angel is still...
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  • Could you be a little more specific?...
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  • Firstly, the conflict of a spy game shouldn't necessarily be about fighting. A confrontation with an angel could easily be a tense interrogation, a chase, a game of hide-and-seek, a proxy war of agents and cultists or even a philosophical debate.

    Secondly, a demon who reveals herself to an angel has only revealed herself to that angel. Angels know only what they need to know for their mission and what they learn during it; the God-Machine is not in the habit of transmitting the identity of every confirmed demon to every angel as soon as they are caught. Almost no angel has the authority...
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  • Demons cannot gain Skills or Merits from Pacts. I could trade you for your reputation as a poet, but that's all I'd get - a reputation. It would not actually teach me how to do poetry, which is a pretty significant hole in my Cover....
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    Last edited by Terrorforge; 08-12-2017, 08:40 PM.

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  • Adamant hand allows you specifically to "use combat techniques as Yantras" and applies only to "use of that Skill in combat". Athletics covers attacks with thrown weapons and bows, and I'm pretty sure that's the intent of including it as a skill for Adamant Hand.

    By a selective reading of the RAW you could argue it also applies to e.g. Athletics rolls to dive into cover, but to me that seems contrary to the spirit of the Merit....
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  • Sounds great! Taking a classic cold war spy trope like "extract the defector" and combining it with some metaphysical weirdness is pretty much the perfect way to come up with a concept for a Demon story.
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  • Yes. They can, and they do. The vast majority of the God-Machine's servants are just ordinary humans.

    However, most of them don't know they're serving anything at all. Most who know they serve don't know that it's the God-Machine they obey. And those few who do know that they serve the God-Machine have incomplete and flawed ideas about what the God-Machine is and how it works - but that's no surprise, since not even demons or angels can fully comprehend it.
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  • The structure only becomes frogs if you cast is as a Matter 4 + Life 4 Creative Thaumaturgy spell....
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  • Demons strive to Descend (title drop) into Hell. Hell is kind of a nebulous concept, though. It typically involves freedom from the God-Machine, but the specifics are highly influenced by each demon's individual philosophy as well as the broader philosophical trends as exemplified by the Agendas. Broadly speaking, Inquisitors seek freedom through enlightenment, Integrators by redeeming or returning to the God-Machine, Saboteurs by destroying the God-Machine and Tempters by building a private fief.

    The archetypal demon challenge is that the God-Machine is up to something and you have...
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  • How does Area Scale interact with Duration?

    For example, suppose Alice and Bob are standing in a room. Timmy Thyrsus is standing outside the room and casts Shapechanging to turn everyone in the room into a frog. He casts the spell with an Area that covers the room and a Duration of one month. Has Timmy just turned Alice and Bob into frogs for a month as if he had targeted the mdirectly, or has he created a Zone of Frog such that for the next month you become a frog upon entering the room and return to human form when you leave?
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  • Terrorforge
    replied to Question About Spirit Arcana
    You'd be able to massively reduce its resistance to medication/the immune system, I should think. Possibly even force the virus to exit the body....
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