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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Changing Ways thoughts
    Writing out pro-feminist bias and accusing others of biases isn't really the best way to go...



    Psychological coercition into sex is sexual violence, not the "rape" we were talking about. And no it's not the same thing, if you want to SJW at least get the crimes right.



    Neither the Fangs. They only arrange marriages to keep their lineage as pure as possible.
    That's how nobility used to marry and how it still marries where there are nobles left: they marry into people of the same social status (and to be fair, that's how people...
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Changing Ways thoughts
    No, no. I'm back with some quotes.

    W20 p44: Metis are born in Crinos form, and may undergo the First Change anywhere from their first year of life to the onset of puberty.
    Revised p32: A metis may undergo his First Change early in life — around the same time a human child begins to walk — or he may stay trapped in his monstrous birth form until early adolescence (usually at eight to 10 years of age). There is really no way to tell when it will occour.

    8-10 years is a specification of "early adolescence", so the point is that they can actually change...
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Changing Ways thoughts
    I've been looking for a weird hill to die on.
    No, seriously, I don't care that much, I don't even like handling sexual-related themes in my games just to avoid theoretical issues. I just gave my opinion and encountered a surprisingly strong faction bent on telling I was wrong. Let's say I'll bury this issue so we can talk of something else?

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    Frankly I don't even ask my players to roll for lethal regeneration. Yes, I kill one Gift but I think it's worth it if it saves me the bother of rolling every round.



    Breeding metis for...
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Armor Gifts
    Sometime the spirits make your life awfully easier. Say your prayers to RNGesus every day!



    Hrrrm. Troll Skin says that damage from silver is unsoakable and since it's specified I'd say no, even if for non-aggravated silver damage. It would make sense even in the other way though. Steel fur and Wyrm Hide should definitely let you soak silver in breed form, but... Steel Fur only works in lupus, and how many Lupus Glass Walkers are we going to have in the world? Five, tops?



    That would REALLY be grossly overpowered. XD It would mimic the level...
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Armor Gifts
    Yes, I am aware. I gave it a lot of thoughts today and I think it's probably more convenient to consider the use of a gift as a standard action, unless otherwise specified (if a gift says it's reflexive then it's reflexive). This makes Troll Skin generally worse than Luna's Armor even if it can still be more useful in certain rare situations (if you use it in the first action of combat you can use the extra soak for every additional attack coming on you).




    It doesn't, but I think it was the author's intention since it's an armor gift; this interpretation also doesn't...
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Changing Ways thoughts
    "It happens in nature frequently enough to be considered normal". Yea, nature may feel like crap but it's really not my fault there.
    But you could consider the forced mating in the animal world as a mark of the Defiler Wyrm, if you like it? It fits the game lore well enough and excludes some bothersome issues from the gameplay.



    But I'm not trying to sell anything. I talked of exactly three things here: Talons and humans, nope, Furies and men, nope, Furies and rape, maybe; it looks acceptable to me, under the right conditions, and I can see me using it...
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Armor Gifts
    It doesn't actually say that you need an action to activate it and I couldn't find any general rule about gifts in W20 about the need to dedicate an action to invoke them (thought there was, but I didn't find it in the manual), so I just think you can activate it without expending an action. The Gnosis requirement means that you can't spend rage in that turn, but that's it - correct me if I'm wrong anyway.



    Not exactly nullifying... Wyrm Hide treats all the lethal as bashing if you take it while the gift is active and activation requires a little blasphemous rite (like...
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Changing Ways thoughts
    Bur of course. It's mostly a matter of how and why. Killing to eat is part of the Gaian balance, killing for fun a whole different world. "Killing" for bloodlust is Wyrm-ish (corrupted), even if you kill a servant of the Wyrm. Killing also causes sadness and desperation on the ones that loved him, strengthening their dark emotions and making the Wyrm stronger.

    I only wanted to correct Ana Mizuki's idea of "natural", not advocating that since they're natural they don't have Wyrm taint. Was that unclear?



    I think you just misinterpreted...
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Armor Gifts
    It doesn't soak silver but its activation time is instantaneous, so it still may be worth your while. And Gets don't have Luna's Armor as tribal gift, so it's definitively convenient for them.



    The text doesn't speak about spending a turn so I believe it's instantaneous. No specification on silver should mean that normal soaking rules apply (= no soaking), but it still has the advantage of a better roll for the related tribe (Glass Walkers will probably have Science rather than survival or primal urge) and the awesome expenditure of Willpower instead of Gnosis, that not...
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Changing Ways thoughts
    You do realise that "killing" is forcing oneself on another through violence too, with the difference that the victim is not even left alive? That knife stabbing leaves actual physical scars other than the psychological ones and even if you survive your body is permanently damaged? Good, because you almost seemed to imply that murder wasn't such a big deal.

    Did you know that even forced sex is a natural part of life, that the vast majority of the animals out there reproduce through harassing and/or overpowering the females? That some frogs just jump on the back of a female...
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Changing Ways thoughts
    Nnno? Look, I'll try to not be unbearable here, but...

    "The tribe holds that women are worthy of respect, honor, sometimes even veneration. Though no Black Fury will suffer the hand of a man acting as master or tyrant, the tribe isn’t united by active misandry. Certainly some Furies will never forget or forgive. But others are willing to accept men as partners, helpmates, lovers, equals — but nothing more than equals."

    "The tribe isn't united by active misandry". So there's misandry but it's not a requisite to be part of the tribe.
    "SOME...
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Changing Ways thoughts
    But W20, as previously quoted, says that many of them (as I get it from the grammar in the entry, from a quarter to half of the Tribe) passionatly hate men and, while it may not be an officially endorsed behaviour, I have no issue picturing that consistent minority using men for reproduction when needed and discarding them afterward. Yes, they could use their own kins or seduce some others, but if you factor in both the idea that they hate men (and look for the least possible emotional involvment) and circumstances (they may have no availlable or willing kinfolk) then maybe the forced mating is...
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Changing Ways thoughts
    Huh? No, that was really not the point at all. Everything I've been saying is that the Furies are not so pure to be beyond the lowest human behaviours. It was strictly related to their entry in Changing Ways....
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Changing Ways thoughts
    "The tribe holds that women are worthy of respect, honor, sometimes even veneration. Though no Black Fury will suffer the hand of a man acting as master or tyrant, the tribe isn’t united by active misandry. Certainly some Furies will never forget or forgive. But others are willing to accept men as partners, helpmates, lovers, equals — but nothing more than equals."

    Yes, it's definitively speaking of the dancers here.



    Also, even if the Furies may have some grip on feminist garou (and kinfolks) I think that's important to remember that their true...
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Changing Ways thoughts
    No one is speaking about enslaving (the issue was raping kinfolks out of necessity, not making an harem of sex slaves) and no one says it's the majority of the tribe. I just think it's an "it might happen", opposed to the "nfw" when I hear of Talons mating with humans....
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Thaumaturgical Calamity
    Little OT: if I remember correctly, even in V20 the destruction of the Tremere Antitribu is canon and Goratrix is no more (... okay, technically his body is still unliving but you got what I mean); the only Tremere in the Sabbat are the Telyavelic, they're not many and they try as hard as they can to hide from the Tremere....
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Changing Ways thoughts
    And your inability to see such extremisms attached to the Furies does not depend on a personal rose-coloured vision of the tribe? I mean, you even have a BF avatar, it's pretty clear that your mind canon idolizes them. Even in W20 (where the Furies don't look so harsh and fanatics like they were in 2nd ed) it's said that they can accept equality at best - meaning that the most open and tolerant of them will treat men as equals while the rest of the tribe won't be so nice....
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Thaumaturgical Calamity
    If you did the roll and he doesn't know that he botched, send him a false or misleading vision that puts him on a wrong road.
    If the roll was public, then I strongly suggest to make every future perception roll behind a screen. :P And for this time make him scry someone else that notices him, maybe during a sensitive or embarassing moment, making an enemy out of him; or give him a sensory overload with lasting hallucinations, or bar him from clairvoyance for a month....
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Changing Ways thoughts
    Feminism and equality are quite two different things. Modern feminists, or at least as I've known them, are mostly notorious for harassing, shaming and bullying whoever dares to object with their ideas, especially if male -and that's somewhat funny since half of their battles are supposed to be against this kind of thing. So I really need little effort to imagine a self-righteous and hypocrite behaviour attached to half of the Black Furies tribe.
    Then again, there is some difference between Feminism and Black Furies too.

    Also, while I may be sympathetic to your family situation...
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  • Maris Streck
    replied to Changing Ways thoughts
    Dammit, I wanted to comment about this but I apparently forgot since I can't find anything with the search... but then again, the search function here doesn't really work well, so apologies if I happen to repeat myself.

    This is probably a reference to the Sacred Band of Thebes, a famous elite guard of the ancient times made only by homosexual couples; they were trained and made fight together so that each of them would be driven to give his best in battle, because no one would dare to show cowardice in front of his lover (and to defend him, too). The thing is that homosexuality isn't...
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