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  • All those clans have their own form of blood sorcery though (even if sometimes overlaps with Thaumaturgic ways). Young Tzimisces won't know Thaumaturgy, while an elder (if scholar) is likely to know Kuldunic rather than Thaumaturgy. The Assamites that study blood magic are the sorcerers of Alamut, but in Masquerade campaigns usually you play the warrior caste....
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  • Hrrm, I think that hybris is more a defining trait of the Mage game line.
    Werewolves start the war of rage because they rashly decide the Gurhali slighted them on purpose, exterminate whole Fera breeds because they "look different", cull humans because they are afraid of the Weaver rise... the whole Garou background is about following paranoias because no one took ten minutes to speak to the other side trying to understand them and settle things up. I'd say that more than anything they're impulsive, pride and honour are just secondary traits.
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  • Well... playing a BSD is basically as playing a nazi guard in the Dachau camp. It's not that you can't by law (okay, maybe in Germany you can't), but public opinion and basic morality are generally against it.
    WtA is a game where you are a flawed crusader, the good guy that screws up trying to set things right; so you mess up and you are in no way perfect but you're still fighting the Good Fight, doing your best to save this world and the last shreds left of Gaia in a virtually doomed struggle. Playing a BSD means that you're becoming the oppressor, siding with the stronger side and performing...
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  • The tabletop game has a freedom you can't recreate in a videogame, ofc, but you can be flexible.
    If i get a game over for killing a core NPC then it's... well, kinda standard for action games but quite bad overall. What should happen is for them to implement a path or two that allow you to finish the game even if you happen to kill every NPC you're not supposed to....
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  • Redemption wasn't bad, but Bloodlines had a whole different depth: the atmosphere was better, the replayability added to longevity and even the story was rock solid. And Bloodlines was an incomplete game, just picture what it could have been had Activision let the Trokia team finish it. Should I pick one of the two as a model for future WoD games it would surely be Bloodlines.



    The idea of turning on friendly NPCs is good, but only if it affects the gameplay in the long run: if you just disable them but get them back at the end of the fight then it's a worthless mechanic...
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  • I'll add up a slightly different question.

    How do you usually rule about merits and gifts? If a specific Merit makes a Science roll easier do you also concede an easier roll for gift activation science-based rolls (like, Steel Fur)? If a Merit gives you an extra die on intimidation rolls do you have it applied to Visage of Fenris too?
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  • Fights and war culture are an important part of a Werewolf game, a game with no fighting would be silly (also, not even Bloodlines could be completed without bloodshed, just think at the sewers or at the prosthetic serial killer).

    Overall I hope they'll revise some of the pre-made decisions, even if I doubt it since they've announced them already. The single tribe is disappointing, but still better than having 13 tribes and the same gameplay for all of them. They should at least be able to depict it well. The lack of story relevance for mission-related choices is extremely disappointing...
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  • A bad game is worse than a dead one, though.
    Dead means that someone might pick it up again eventually to exploit the idea and the market, but if it turns out bad it will discourage future developers in trying it again. I'd really like Werewolf to become a videogame series but as it is I doubt we'll ever see past the first (mediocre) product.

    But ofc I can be wrong. Hope so actually....
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  • It was going down really hard on that vapourware track XD
    Dying companies are sadly the main reason the projects stop and die. Let's just hope that now that the acquisition is done they'll picking it up for real. Sadly, this Bigben Interactive seems even a worse company to be developed in... just a glance at their wikipedia page told me they only made second-rate or sport games, not even a remotely relevant title around.

    Cyanide at least had Styx, Chaos League and Bloodbowl to account for, Bigben's last "success" is V-Rally 4, and most people seem to think it's quite...
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    replied to tribal moots
    [Edit: superfluous post. That's what I get answering stuff that late in the night.]
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    replied to Primal Urge 0
    There are no restrictions, rule-wise, but still remember that every trait the character has needs to be backed by his background and approved by the Storyteller.
    Homids might start without Primal Urge, just think about Glass Walkers and werewolves who always lived inside the human civilization. They can, of course, never raise it but after a while it becomes quite stupid - your character should become better in the activities he spends most of his time, and spending time in wolf form usually equals to raising primal urge.

    Lupus characters make no sense without that skill. It...
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  • IIRC Pegasus has a couple of canons in WW and no one was actually found definitive. In Umbra Revised it's portrayed as a female and lover of Bellerophon which became spiteful of men after the hero became a tyrant, but I seem to recall that there was a source that defined it as a male which decided to protect women after seeing Bellerophon's behaviour (no romance between the two in this version).

    Thing is that there is no raw saying the spirit shifted his form and changed sex - even assuming it's described differently in two different sources that's simply to be intended as two different...
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  • I don't like it. Unless those trans women had a proper total sex change (not surgery, something like an Umbral quest to persuade Eshtarra to alter the garou's body) I wouldn't let Pegasus accept them. I understand that they want to stay in line with the times but they were the Amazons, trans women feel out of place there....
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  • You're misinterpreting, and if you're doing it on purpose I'd ask you to stop. Disagreement is fine, the wish to silence others is not.
    Your idea is that since this time the intolerance aligns with your ethics you're okay with it, but that's just selfishness.

    The V5 manual was not a book written to spread racial hate and it wasn't used to smack homosexual people on the head either. There was no Hitler to stop there, no white supremacy propaganda and no manifestos for violence, there was no menace for any kind of minority, there was no intolerance to be intolerant with. Mentioning...
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  • It's not less valid... it's just intolerant. Wishing for censorship is fascism, every time. I'm more of a Voltaire guy.
    The semantic difference between "offended" and "offensive" is quite well established anyway, I'd advise to look it up for yourself at this point because I'm apparently unable to explain it properly.



    Huh, that's interesting. Guess that almost nobody noticed that.



    Indeed, you can expect any sort of biases from gut feelings. I'm... just used to consider the worst case scenario and act prepared for it...
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  • I'm just saying that the message would have been be the same even if they believed there were no faults to be found.




    It's the same difference between "I don't like this" and "this is evil". They both express disagreement but the spin is quite different and they push toward different kinds of solution. It's also fully in the rights of a company to do whatever they want with their own products, but in this case they literally applied what everyone was asking (censorship and removal of the content) after everyone got angry about it.
    It's...
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  • I didn't, it's just a gut feeling for me. I'm just used to confront these kind of PR statements with how a company usually works.
    The fact that every other company fills their clients with bullshit is not sufficient cause to say that Paradox is doing the same in this circumstance, but I still recognize the pattern.



    No, I only think that there's a difference between being offended or declaring that something is offensive.
    It's fine choosing to not read something, wishing it to be removed so that no one could read it anymore is on a whole different level. Tons...
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  • I'm just refusing the illusion that the company care for the issue by itself.
    What it does care about, though, is not to anger their clients nor a nation where they sell their products in. If this makes you happy anyway okay, I'm just not buying it.




    What, making bad jokes now equals dismissal? =P
    And again, not the point. It's in the full right of every person to withdraw support to the LGBT+ movement the moment they believe it's not supporting their interests anymore. My girlfriend (and I too, should it needs to be mentioned) is obviously fully supportive...
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  • This is probably because people have different experience about neo-nazis and alt-rights, depending on where they live.
    I've only met a couple of alt-right in my life and while they still were pretty inane in their statements they still weren't violent - merely racists. In my country (Italy) there is no KKK around, street gangs come from every kind of culture and while there are occasional crimes with alt-rights as protagonists they're not really enough of a percentage to be addressed as a specific issue - you just speak of the criminality in general.
    Xenophoby is generally quite represented...
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  • Don't give too much weight to their PR... They are just trying to protect their investment. When your product enrages both sides of a war you're clearly in a marketing faux pas. Also, they already had their free advertisement on national Russian television.

    I believe that any editor is going to be a lot more careful now about what they're putting into publications, meaning that there are going to be less controversial topics in their books. Of course, no one expects an RPG to be a newspaper and it's probably for the best if they don't get involved in politics or social issues, but...
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