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  • Nyrufa
    replied to Humanity Is Overrated
    Don't mummies prove the existence of an afterlife, though? Considering their origin story is that they literally went to the underworld and met the judges of the dead?
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  • Nyrufa
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    "KEEP AWAY FROM MY HOARD!"





    "The doctor said I have cancer..."



    "My cousin can beat your cousin!"




    "Stop laughing, my dad was a Makara!"
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  • Nyrufa
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    It's supposed to be about the first one. Those who joined the thread later tried to steer it towards the second.






    Assuming that the vampire even receives a court date. Don't forget that vampires run their own shadow governments and have been concealing their existence since the time of the dark ages. The fact that they continue to do so in the electronic age where damn near everybody has a camera is a testament to their skill at subterfuge.

    Those who are talking about humanity's ability to function as a society don't realize that the...
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  • Nyrufa
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    It's not a crime to own a crap ton of guns, heck there are some people who own M60's even though they have no practical use for them. There is, however, a law against having a map of the city marked with key structures and a list of photographs on the wall with red X's marking out the faces of people who have recently gone missing from the local area. It is extremely easy to convince society that the Hunters are violently dangerous criminals. It is much more difficult for the Hunters to convince society that they are fighting literal monsters.


    And sure, the Hunters might not...
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  • Nyrufa
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    Saying that blood isn't an intrinsic part of a vampire's body is like saying digested shit isn't a part of a human's body.

    Deny a human food and water for a few days and see how capable they are in a fight.

    Blood is a vampire's form of sustenance, but that doesn't discredit it.

    Also, saying that a vampire's existence isn't intrinsic to them is just grasping at straws here. Even if they weren't born a vampire (nobody is, duh), they're still a completely different species than they were before.

    As for Werewolves and their gifts, I would consider...
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  • Nyrufa
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    You're right, those things are quite dangerous and would be a daunting threat... if the monsters didn't also have the capacity to access them.

    In the World of Darkness, humans aren't dealing with mindless, savage creatures who's only thoughts are hunt, kill, repeat. They are dealing with intelligent creatures who have blended into their society and adapted their resources for their own use. They have been doing this for hundreds, if not thousands of years and have become so proffecient at covering their tracks that the vast majority of humans don't even believe they exist.
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  • Nyrufa
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    If that's the case, one could argue humans are no less monstrous.

    "Hmm, this hydrogen bomb might create a chain reaction that destroys our planet's atmosphere... LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS!" ...
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  • Nyrufa
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    I have not. I was planning to get Mage, but then I learned Changeling 2E was close to completion, so I decided to hold off. I'll probably get mage after Changeling, though.

    Could you explain to me why mages are monstrous though? Because I thought the game was about the dangers of hubris. Basically "hey, I've got all this crazy power, better not abuse it!"...
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  • Nyrufa
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    The supernaturals have fought wars too, most of them used to be humans, after all. And them fighting wars is part of an early claim in the argument in that humanity's only real strength lies in their overwhelming numbers. Supernaturals have squads, humans have armies, but a single supernatural soldier is typically worth 5 human soldiers or more, so that squad may as well be a whole battalion.


    Also, it takes decades to fully master war, and by the time most humans achieve it, they're usually on their way out. Supernaturals, on the other hand, have extended life spans, which...
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  • Nyrufa
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    Just for funsies. I was bored and decided to talk about whatever came to mind....
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  • Nyrufa
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    EXACTLY what I'm trying to explain, here! Batman without gadgets is just a random guy. A supernatural without gadgets is still supernatural.


    Although from what I understand, Batman is at the physical peak of humanity. Although sometimes the writers go way too far and forget the fact he's not supposed to have any super powers. I can believe that he's able to lift 1,000 lbs. I can NOT believe that he's able to catch a machine gun barrage with his hands!

    You're right, human ingenuity is a natural part of human existence. The things that we create with that ingenuity,...
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  • Nyrufa
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    No, Batman's ideology is what makes Batman Batman. He's a symbol, not a man.

    And even with all of his gadgets, Batman has personally admitted that if Supes wanted to, he could kill him in an instant. Superman can punch people at the speed of light, which means Batman would be splattered against the wall before he could even reach for that krytponite on his belt. Not only that, but Superman could just snipe him from orbit with telescopic heat vision and Batman would burst into flames before he knew what hit him.

    The only thing your Superman vs Batman argument did was reaffirm...
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  • Nyrufa
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    Turtles are also deaf and mute, which are some pretty nasty disadvantages.

    But yeah, this topic was brought up in the last thread. Humans hold the position that is does in this world completely through artificial means. If you strip a human of their technology and place them butt naked in the wild, chances are that they aren't going to survive against most threats they have to face. But if you do the same thing to one of the supernatural splats, they still have a pretty good chance at survival.


    Humanity's reliance on artificial enhancements such as weapons, tools...
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  • Nyrufa
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    I dearly want to, now.

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    Ever Professional: Once again; humanity as a species being overrated compared to the supernatural splats. Discussing their biology and physiology, as well as levels of psychology, mental capacity, and technological capabilities.


    In just about every category (except Psychology), humanity is either hopelessly outclassed, or manages to come up equal. The monsters can be just as intelligent as humans, if not more so because they know / comprehend things about the world humans have very little exposure...
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  • Nyrufa
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    Actually, I only brought up the Ordo Dracul once (in this thread, anyways). But just to clarify, I don't have any of the expanded material books, the core books alone are already pretty steeply priced for my budget. So whatever information is recorded in the basic rules is the information that I go with. From the sound of it, the Ordo are something along the lines of scientific inclined monks.


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    As for 21C Hermit, that's probably my take on it, too. If it didn't come with so much drama, there's several splats I'd be somewhat happy with....
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  • Nyrufa
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    I wasn't saying that. In fact, I've stated at least twice that I wasn't advocating the supernaturals wipe humanity out. I was just stating how they're typically superior as a species....
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  • Nyrufa
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    Yeahhhh, I never agreed with that way of thinking. "Oh, vampires are real. I guess that means God is, too!"

    Finding evidence of vampires is proof of the existence of vampires. It is NOT proof in the existence of a totally unrelated entity.

    Even if it was, we literally have millions (possibly billions?) of deities scattered across human culture. Many of which would be perfectly okay with you being a monster, so long as you didn't go around doing anything too stupid.


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    Sadly, I know practically...
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  • Nyrufa
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    Also, I wasn't suggesting that monsters should whole sale slaughter humanity, nor that they should cast aside their beliefs / customs. I'm saying that humanity as a species (not a culture) is overrated.

    Why wouldn't somebody choose to become one of the supernatural splats if they were still able to retain their personalities after the transformation was complete? Heck, vampires even have an entire covenant who are dedicated to overcoming the weaknesses of vampirism. Meaning that you could gain all the benefits and none of the drawbacks (theoretically)!


    Not gonna...
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  • Nyrufa
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    This was covered in the previous thread. And sure, some of them might side with / need humanity to survive, but that doesn't mean they all do.

    Also, you're looking at the monsters from the point of view of the (anti) hero side of things. Remember that most (if not all) of the splats have a few factions who couldn't give a shit about humanity.

    So saying that most of the splats want to keep humans around is inaccurate.

    Rather, it's more appropriate to say certain groups within the splats want to keep humanity around...
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  • Nyrufa
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    I don't play it either, I bought the 1st edition book, but couldn't get my mind around it. But, basically yeah. Anybody could potentially become a Werewolf, just like anybody could potentially become a Beast. Wolf Blooded people just have a higher chance of undergoing the First Change because they're predisposed to it.

    In second edition, a human can even become wolf blooded through suffering the effects of Lunacy, which is caused by witnessing a Werewolf in any of its partial forms. Which lends credence to the myths of somebody becoming a werewolf after encountering one.
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