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  • Sorry for the late response -- been very busy with business and traveling, so haven't been on for a while.


    Perhaps my phrasing was a bit off, but I don't see where there should have been any significant confusion. There *are* spirits of disease, and they are usually present (if sometimes dormantly so) pretty much everywhere (just as there are spirits for most all things about... pretty much everywhere). My additional point about not *everything* being influenced 24/7/365 by spirits is that there are instances wherein a (for example) dormant spirit/metaphysical presence may...
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  • (That's what I get for not checking my messages properly -- somebody linked me a message about this comment and I didn't note it until just tonight... been busy with business and travel...)

    Bold: Much like with Liches, this is less true. Mummies *do* have their Avatars -- they call them Sahu(s). They are the aspect of the old Egyptian mages that made them mages. Their Sahus/god-selves, however, are restructured by the Spell of Life into a different metaphysical purpose. This is similar -- though of course also markedly different in several ways -- to how a lich's Avatar is (at least...
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  • Just John, Forever...
    replied to M20 Dark Ages?
    I was responding, by citation, to Arms' earlier allusions to my comments; it's not a personal attack, but a contextual rebuttal. Unless you include his initial commentary as equally worthy of citation, I fail to see where the difference is between what I posted and what he initially did earlier relative to my comments.

    That said, I will clarify: the comment was *not* an attack on him, personally, in any way, shape or form (I have "liked" and support-commented on certain things that he has commented on in other threads). In that context (and that context only), I will retract...
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  • Just John, Forever...
    replied to M20 Dark Ages?
    I'll separate this out a bit just to address certain things individually as (by your response) I can tell that there is a little bit of cross-communication going on (and thank you for actually addressing the points made in a thoughtful manner... unlike with some people...)

    It isn't about being opposed to when conjunctional effects are appropriate or necessary within a given paradigm/set of metaphysical expressions (sidenote: several people back when DA was originally published argued about a few of the exact details of the different Pillars just as some had about Sphere delineations,...
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  • Just John, Forever...
    replied to M20 Dark Ages?
    Yeahhhh... that's not how that works. But whatever makes you feel better about things...

    And as far as kalinara's response -- it's pretty much exactly what I'd expect from you. It definitely is one of those cases where "If you're not getting it, you're not getting it...". (The poetic irony in that response is that it demonstrates well the lack of not noting what the underlying issue I -- and others -- have brought up: it's looking at the subject from the fixed sense of metaphysical perspective that is exactly what is occurring in-narrative within the setting as well as meta-narratively....
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  • Just John, Forever...
    replied to M20 Dark Ages?
    (Just jumping in because this paragraph, in particular, struck me as missing a fundamental perspective that Aleph -- and I, and others in threads -- having been making for a long time... well, long time for me, anyway -- lol -- I shouldn't speak for anyone else in that regard...)

    It isn't about whether the magic(k) in question is more "powerful" -- the mages in DA aren't, overall, more powerful than many mages in Ascension are, in several contexts -- but rather that the mechanics and metaphysics of *how* the Pillars (or Minor Spheres, or whatever term one wants to use, really)...
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  • Ahhh -- gotcha. Cool. I was likely just not "getting" the underlying point of the one part.

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    Part of me agrees with Telgar, and part of me disagrees. Much like with how things were later on hammered out for NWoD (meta-conceptually), the WoD has more often favored the "active" force over the "passive"; this is fairly well represented in Real Life(tm) wherein active forces tend to override/overwhelm passive resistances over time (whether a few moments or over years). A given, resistant thing must usually be considerably more resistant...
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  • Uhmmm... well... *no*. That is, it's not "my interpretation" of the setting -- that's actually *a part* of the setting of WoD (both in Mage and in Werewolf). There are spiritual essences behind virtually everything in the WoD. Some are more passive, some more active, some can work their power/essence directly while others have to wait for opportune moments and/or times when the Gauntlet/Shroud thins... but that's how things run in WoD, per the books. Now that doesn't mean that *everything* is caused or directly influenced by a given spirit (or set of spirits) 24/7/365 -- there are plenty...
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  • Just John, Forever...
    replied to M20 Dark Ages?
    It's only "irrelevant" when keeping a narrow focus on what the "mix-and-match" of the Minor Spheres is supposed to represent relative to the more delineated Spheres. (That is, it's totally worth noting that the Pillars and Minor Spheres came out at the same time, product-wise, as the former shows how personalized -- again, in terms of mixing-and-matching concepts to better mechanically express metaphysical paradigm-as-influenced-by-belief -- the latter can actually be. Pillars and Minor Spheres are just different applications of the same concept: taking the underlying qualities...
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  • Oh, just to clarify: I was just addressing the underlying *concept* behind the Djinn from both a game mechanic and metaphysical POV. Relative to "game balance", however, some "nips and tucks" would certainly be in order, no question. (That is, if trying to have a Djinn as a PC, then one would have to find a balance of assigning a relative number of Charms -- value-wise -- and perhaps no initial starting Arete/Foundation/what-have-you, or if so then only a few points in Charms and perhaps three points in Spheres vs. a mage's usual 6. Djinn, as presented in the older books, definitely...
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  • It could just be your specific phrasing, but I'm not quite "getting" what you mean here. Could you elaborate on this?...
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  • The major reason that mages can't (in the Modern Era) go around healing people willy-nilly is because of Paradox and Consensus. While people "want" to be cured/healed, Reality(tm) is still structured around much of their negativity and self-deceit. Also, it's important to keep in mind that in the WoD, things are darker/bleaker than in our Real World(tm). While many/most(?) STs likely just use the real-world elements as-is, unlike in our world the WoD has *active* agents (mages, spirits, etc.) who *promote* disease/pain/suffering. HIV -- just to use that as an example -- isn't "simply"...
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  • (Just jumping in...)

    Powerful Djinni *were* given Arete/Spheres, in addition to Charms, in the Ascension setting. (Not home/near books, but they were stat'd out with such towards the end of Revised.) They similarly had Foundations/Pillars in DA:M. Djinn, unlike angels and demons, are "complete" beings, metaphysically; they have god-shards (Avatars, Eidelons, Daemons, Founts, Sahus, whatever you want to call them) just as humans do (and, because they are more ephemeral than humans, are more integrated with their spiritual selves than humans usually -- not always, but usually...
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  • Just John, Forever...
    replied to M20 Dark Ages?
    That's a good compromise, and one that I had originally hoped for when DA:M first came out 15 years ago (that is, I was hoping they'd go with something like what the Pillars were -- bits and pieces of various aspects of the Spheres but worked/perceived through the lens of a given paradigm vs. the more blank aspects of Ascension). I liked the Pillars, but I am the first to admit that my personal background with metaphysical thought/conceptualization -- as well as having been following White Wolf since before it did games and was a magazine back in the 80s -- made it very easy for me to understand...
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  • Just John, Forever...
    replied to M20 Dark Ages?
    Yeah -- that was definitely one of the shortcomings of DA:M, from a writing POV: while it was "dressed' in a manner that was very different from Ascension, it simultaneously required having familiarity with the metaphysical broad concepts of Ascension despite saying that such wasn't "necessary". (It most definitely was, especially as some terms in the book were 'ported over from M:tA but without defined context relative to what was given in DA:M -- such as the occasional use of "Pattern", and other things, later in the book.)

    I've said for many years that...
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  • (Just jumping in...)

    Previous writers-hitting-the-forums from about 15 years ago (plus the cross-over stuff given in the ST Handbook) suggested that Mind and Spirit were necessary for Fae manipulation (though not always, depending on specific effect; Life/Mind were suggested for a number of things). To "elevate", in a true/permanent manner, a Kinain into a Kithain (and assuming one is not wanting to use the guidelines for Arch-Spheres from the 90s), then Prime:5, Mind:5, Spirit:5 and Life:4 (assuming a physical manifestation is desired, which requires altering the target's...
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