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  • Lys
    replied to Obtenebration Uses?
    Like Cifer said, using a section called "Uncommon People" as your basis for what constitutes average may lead you astray. The rules are clear that for 2 is average for Attributes and Abilities, and 4 is average for Willpower, this has been the case since the start of the game line. In fact the Vampire rules say average mortal has 2-3 Willpower (Pg. 164 V20DA), however Werewolf has a nice breakdown which i like to use.


    "With this ability, a Lasombra shapes the darkness into tentacles that can attack, restrain, and grapple foes." It's unclear to me how you...
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  • That's not how you resist Dominate. The only two ways to resist Dominate is to have high enough Willpower the Dominator fails the roll, or to be of lower Generation, which gives you immunity. Incidentally, the whole thing about lower Generation vampires being flat-out immune to Dominate always rubbed me the wrong way. It would be better if the difference between Generations was added to the Difficulty. So Gen 11 trying to Dominate Gen 7 would be at +4 Difficulty, very hard to do, but not impossible. This would make Will-drained low-gen vampires vulnerable to skilled and amibtious high-gen vampires,...
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  • Lys
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    It gives you +1 die to Stealth and/or Intimidation for the rest of the scene, and in my experience with a voice game it got used all the time. Like whenever the Lasombra in my Dark Ages game wanted to be sneaky or intimidating, he would bring up Shadow Play, often describing just how exactly he was twisting the shadows to make himself more hidden, imposing, or sinister. It might not be a particularly strong mechanical use, but the player clearly felt that extra die was worth it, and the added atmosphere was fun for everyone.


    Stamina 2 is about average, so you'd expect it to...
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  • Lys
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    Every Tzimisce in the Voivodate with a recognized domain was a Voivodes. The ostensible leader of Clan Tzimisce was called the Voivode of Voivodes. In France, the Courts of Love are lead by five Queens, four female and one male. It was an open question of etiquette whether Etienne of Poituou should be addressed as Queen or King, in practice most called him King Etienne, but he respects any vampire with the guts to call him a Queen to his face. The Greeks loved their complicated titles, so the Trinity system in Constantinople has ton of them, too many to quickly list really.

    In the...
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  • It doesn't really mean anything, since it's an artefact of poor editing. In Revised Edition, spending a Willpower and succeeding at the Difficulty 8 Willpower roll only gave you one turn of resistance. After you succeeded in your roll you had to keep spending Willpower every turn in order to continue resisting. When they wrote the V20 rules they largely just copy-pasted the Revised rules and then tweaked them a little. In the case of Presence they changed the duration from one turn to one scene, but neglected to change the line about how you had to keep spending Willpower. The intended meaning...
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  • Yes i have to agree with ErinĂ½es here. It sounds like you did a masterful job of presenting your players with a clever and manipulative antagonist, while still giving them plenty of opportunities to shut her down. It is only their own own fault that they failed to so. Even then, while they could not stop the ritual they still brought the Naphandus to justice and prevented the newly-Awakened Nephandi from going off and wreaking massic havoc, so it's not like they accomplished nothing. Their failure to prevent the loss of innocent life is the price they pay for not trusting each other. This is...
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  • Lys
    replied to Grimaldi Investments
    The Grimaldi are explicitly said to be a family of Italian merchants, which in turn implies that they are the same named family from Genoa. Also unlike most of the rest of Europe, surnames never entirely fell out of use in Italy, particularly among the nobility. The man after whom the Grimaldi are named was Grimaldo Canella, youngest son of Otto Canella. Grimaldo's eldest son Oberto changed the family name to Grimaldi around the turn of the 13th century in order to differentiate his rising branch of the family from the more senior Canellas. The Princely House of Monaco is in turn itself a secondary...
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  • Lys
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    The House of Grimaldi have been the Princes of Monaco since the 13th century. So one presumes they would be heavily invested in it on account of outright owning the place. Consequently one would also expect the Grimaldi to have a lot of investments in the Cote d'Azur of France, including Nice and Marseilles. On the same vein, they're likely to have a lot of concerns in Genoa and the Italian Riviera, since the Grimaldi are of Genoese origin. From Genoa they could have also expanded their influence to markets in Milan and Turin, which would make them heavily invested in the old industrial triangle....
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  • Ghouls: Fatal Addiction manages to be one of the most delightfully fucked up and twisted books put for Vampire the Masquerade, without being crass and juvenile about its subject matter. It's a joy to read, and provides a very in-depth and well thought out look at one of the most important but oft overlooked aspects of the setting.
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  • By my line of reasoning the Tremere are literally wizards on account of the bulk of them being wizards, and the Nosferatu are literally spies on account of, you know, all the spying they do. And okay calling the Toreador the Mean Girls Clan is definitely more accurate than calling them the Artist Clan, but what of it? They do act like the mean girls, they don't do something else which is a metaphor for acting like the mean girls. The Giovanni on the other hand don't act like a crime syndicate, they act like a corrupt noble family of necromancers. No Clan's thing is a metaphorical stand-in for...
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  • The Giovanni are interested in the medical industry because they're the Necromancer Clan. Why do you keep asking this question? It's precisely my point that necromancy is one of the Giovanni core themes, i've said this repeatedly, and i'm saying it again because you apparently missed it the first three times. The point is that the Giovanni are not the Mafia Clan, for that to be the case being the Mafia would have to be their principal concern, but their actual principal concern is necromacy. The fact that both of those things are criminal and immoral doesn't make them the same. Unless the mob...
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  • When the front operation is an order of magnitude more money than your illegal enterprises, it's no longer a front operation, it's your primary business. The Giovanni make most of their money from banking, commercial, and medical concerns.


    If you're going to argue that the Kennedy family was an organized crime family because they had ties to the Irish Mob, then you and me are using very different meanings of the term. An organized crime family is one whose primary business is organized crime, the Milliners are therefore not an organized crime family, and neither are any of...
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  • All the criminal, underhanded, and dishonest things the Giovanni do are part and parcel of every vampire organization in the World of Darkness. So by your logic all the Clans and Sects are like the Mafia, which makes the Giovanni being Mafia-like themselves a rather meaningless distinction....
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  • Arcaneumkiller, you cite a bunch of things that have nothing to do with the organized crime: The Giovanni are businessmen, they are Venetian bankers and traders, they're necromancers, and then use it to argue that this makes them mafiosi. That does not follow at all. In order to show the Giovanni are mafiosi, you need to cite elements of actual mafiosi, not some vague notion that because they're greedy and ambitious you have no problem picturing them as mafiosi.

    There is also no difficulty in believing that the bulk of the Giovanni fortune was made through legal enterprise. Firstly...
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  • Other way around, the Giovanni have fingers in illegal enterprises as an incidental factor. Their primary means of attaining wealth and power are legal, at least in the sense that the enterprises are in and of themselves legal. The Milliners are not an organized crime family, they're a New England old money family, and their primary businesses are legal. Their feud with the Kennedys started when Francis Millener was up to become President of the Columbia Overland Company when P.J. Kennedy retired from the position, but he was passed over in favour of Joe Kennedy. That they have links with the...
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    Last edited by Lys; 09-03-2017, 11:32 PM.

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  • There's no stereotype that Italians being part of the Irish mob or the Latin-American drug cartels, those have their own specific ethnic stereotypes. That's why i was capitalizing Mafia in my post, i was referring specifically to La Cosa Nostra. The point is that while it would be bad if the Giovanni were being equated with the Italian Mafia, they're not and never have been. Being associated with crime in general is not problematic because that's a normal vampire thing. Not only does every Clan have organized crime connections of some sort of another, but every single sect itself also a crime...
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  • You take a long vacation or go into torpor. Also sanctioned diablerie is a thing, so that can provide camouflage for the ones who have done it unsanctioned. "Oh the marks? I got permission to devour this Sabbat guy in Cleveland, he was a nasty bastard and we all felt he deserved it."...
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  • A note on the Giovanni, since they came up in this thread: they are not the Mafia Clan. They have never been the Mafia Clan. Their original write-up did not even mention the Mafia, and every subsequent one mentions it only in passing. They're vampires based in Italy so of course they have dealings with the Mafia, but of the 14 known families in the Giovanni Clan, only the Puttanesca are actual mafiosi and they're a minor family. The core concept of the Giovanni is "ambitious vampire necromancers", that's why their families are so varied: the Milleners are evil Kennedys, the Dusirn are...
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  • That's actually one exception which i would say "black streaks" instead of "signs of diablerie". The other one is the tell tales of the various kinds of supernaturals. The reason is that while your character can easily learn the aura colours by simply interacting with normal people on a nightly basis, they're not likely to encounter the auras of diablerists, werewolves, or mages very frequently. As such your character may not have memorized what they mean, and indeed it may require a roll to know. Otherwise though, straight emotions because consulting the book is lame. That...
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  • Having to stop and consult the book means interrupts roleplay and destroys immersion. Therefore any rule any rule that requires me to do that every single time is actively interfering with my ability to enjoy the game. Much rather would take it as granted that my character memorized the aura colours and have the ST translate them into emotions for me.
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