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  • which legacies are spiritual successors of various ascension groups.

    for instance i think there is one called perfected adepts that is based on the akashic brotherhood.
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  • mark
    started a topic do vampire children mature?

    do vampire children mature?

    i don't mean physically. i mean mentally and emotionally.
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  • mark
    replied to Achieving the Impossible?
    archmastery. and an appropriate paradigm of course

    as for doing this otherwise. ill give a summary of a quote i read in forum.rpg


    so basically nephandi have inverted noble impules . if every person if ultimately good and the highest impulse of the soul is to help/create.. then you get what inverted means

    however their venal impulses(i.e ill eat a chocolate instead of a nutritious meal because im to lazy to cook) do not get inverted.
    so in theory you could "tempt" a nephandi with goodness and laziness. but what you will get is an unfulfilled...
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  • from a mechanics perspective(i.e if someone wants to play a djinn) i would rule that a djinn has to about just as much xp on charms as it does on spheres/pillars/whatever. showing that they have to balance their dual heritage. it explains how truly ancient djinn are not as strong as they "should" be and at any rate it is a stable of a lot of fiction games that human tend to be fast burning flames(so to speak)

    what i find curious about djinn though.. is how they do it. normally the avatar does not stay in case of the "death" of the physical body(including discorporation)...
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  • mark
    replied to Summoning an Incarna
    yeah,but demon lords are said to be explicitly unable to enter earth.after all,i doubt many of them would have an issue with their arrival causin some trouble
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  • i suppose you could.. as for Ascension..that is an interesting question but i'd say no. it's not so much that they have avatars as that they "are" at any rate ascension is a physical thing.
    though they do describe themselves as servents of Unity. so ..maybe?...
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  • mark
    replied to Summoning an Incarna
    kinda strange though. incarna have ridiculously high gnosis(aka the gauntlet doesn't exist for them) and yet they can't visit earth unless summoned? have any rules ever be given for this?
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  • mark
    replied to M20 Dark Ages?
    as for the "everyone gets four pillars thing" i believe it's mostly for the sake of simplicity and not written in stone. that is,there is no grand metaphysical "law" or such

    in my opinion it makes perfect sense for some groups to gave 5 or even more pillars while a few ( i am looking at you hem-ka sobk) to have as few as 3,albeit pretty powerful within the strict limits of their purview.

    i agree though that pillars should cost more(maybe around 10x rating) yeah i know this is the high mythic ages but a god-damn pillar shouldn't cost less that OOC...
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  • in dark ages mage they are explicitly given mage pillars. even before that they were described as being "perfect" and "complete" which is precisely why they were pissed off when they were beaten by humans. fluff describes them as magic users,it's just that the system was not given(as is typical for whitewolf books) until later...
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  • given that djinn are mages themselves i don't think just stayingg on their realm will do the trich tbh
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  • mark
    replied to M20 Dark Ages?
    perhaps you could simulate unorthodox houses by giving them 1-2 pillars from other fellowships(in exchange for 1-2 pillars from the hermetic ones)
    after all the diedne were pretty much hermetic verbenae.
    to a lesser extend the bjornaer too. and (somewhat) the merinitae

    as for criamon in particular someone did make pillars for the ecstatics(theyr in varioum threads in these forums). basically time with a little bit of entropy...
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  • do any of these include basic effects of each disease?(on non undead i mean) i'm no doctor so i can't really represent them well other than "you die"
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  • and what prevents the tremere from matching them with their own flying castle:?...
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  • mark
    replied to M20 Dark Ages?
    taftani pillars! because this is one of the best times to be one of them

    a refinement of the rules(which to some extend was done in guild to the tal'mahera by malcolm sheppard i think). seriously you have things like " a fount rating of 0 gives you 2 quint per turn and then a few pages down it literally says" a rating of 0 gives you one point)

    more fluff about the pillars. given that they are more paradigmatic than the modern spheres you really need a few sentences explaining the context and assumptions under which each one of them operates. having...
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  • by that i didn't mean that hermetics would get scourge points by attacking tremere strongholds. it's subtler than that. kind of like the shock reality suffered (partially) because of the death of ravnos and most of his clan....
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  • mark
    replied to batini and iran..
    technically speaking from a metagame perspective they are anyway as for batini being muslims keep in mind that even the most devout of them are supposed to be very tolerant of diverse views AKA they're heretical from a real life point of view.

    finally,perhaps it's because im personally agnostic-leaning atheist.. but i don't mind if a book in a game says something that might be insultive of a religion(so long as this is not the reason d'etre itsself) after all,the world of darkness is not our world it's islam is not our islam and the batini are definetely not real...or are ...
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  • essentially this is what happened. that and the hermetics having more pressing enemies(particularly the inquisition) .and there is this whole magic "dying "thing going on.
    also i'm not sure if anyone mentioned this but the tremere are entrenched.

    for instance there are very very few tremere in iberia and maybe none on scandinavia. hell almost half the clan is supposed to be in the carpathians and the nearby areas like lithuania,
    a very dangerous area by the way.

    meanwhile the order of hermes far superior strength is spread out throught europe and...
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  • mark
    replied to batini and iran..
    well lost paths does say(IIRC) that muhammad also said several things of his own which puzzled his batini "masters" also keep in mind that the batini genuinely believed it to be the truth. after all most are muslims to this day not crypto zoroastrians(or whatever)...
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  • mark
    started a topic batini and iran..

    batini and iran..

    so.. batini are presented as spiritual yet enlightened scholars who believe in unity but also some individuality... yet ruhollah khomenei was explicitly one of them.
    now i know the technocracy has a lot of power over media..but somehow i doubt that the wod version of the islamic republic of iran is a more tolerant enlightened place.

    any thoughts/?
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  • is there any book with rules for diseases?

    i seem to recall a dark ages one but can't remember which
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