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  • mark
    replied to Two dates for the Sundering?
    the problem is that(at least IIRC) the sundering is"when life and death got separated" this could mean the shroud.. but it could also be taken literally aka "let there be light" and "the darkness understood it not"...
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  • mark
    replied to Two dates for the Sundering?
    speaking of the sundering however.. do we have an actual date? it seems strange to me that it is only 3000 years old.. are the neverborn really that young? cause some older things imply that they were born with the universe
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  • mark
    replied to Question about Nephandi
    personally i think a good part of the nephandi conscripts are high school dropout jocks who decided to enter this caul-thing to break some stuff
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  • well, that's why i said TRUE Demon. other beings can definetely be demons in the sense that they are inimical to humanity's interests and of course the average demonologist/infernalist won't know the difference....
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  • a "true" demon is basically an outsider, instead of a "local" umbrood. Demons are, essentially the same class of being as God/ YHWH/ the demiurge/ etc. they are beings of near absolute power who need faith to manifest it. umbrood don't. that's the difference...
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  • a "true" demon is basically an outsider, instead of a "local" umbrood. Demons are, essentially the same class of being as God/ YHWH/ the demiurge/ etc. they are beings of near absolute power who need faith to manifest it. umbrood don't. that's the difference...
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  • to quote player's guide to the high clans "ghosts rightly fear its hunger but do not understand it, demons call it hell and they only begin to comprehend" also the labyrinth is said to be the other side of demons prison, book of worlds implies that oblivion lies beneath everything.
    other than that it's basic wod metaphysics and common sense. if they're all called ducks and they all behave like ducks and look like ducks.. they're ducks...
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  • you're missing the point.. oblivion IS the abyss. implied(and outright stated) to be so in quite a few sources. it's also the abyss of the lasombra. the abyss of werewolf is another entrance point. so is the well of souls( at least i think it's called such in the astral umbra) etc surviving there should probably be a spirit 5 feat though a specific rote would need to be researched.... for god's sake do NOT botch!...
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  • mark
    replied to is this rote rule official?
    "Don't you think it's more likely that it will be abused by standard Mage powergamers that notice how easy it's to reduce difficulties in any roll and that you can raise mental traits with Mind 1...and then get to use Sphere 5 effects for "free"?"

    yeah,good point. it's kinda funny how whitewolf writers of all gamelines always answer this by saying "uhm we don't minmax so it didn't occur to us"...
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  • mark
    replied to is this rote rule official?
    keep in mind that non pcs can make rotes too. even without lowering the difficulty, a 5000 year old archmaster from atlantis or something with intelligence and occult at 10 could get 10,15, or even all 20 successes if he had nothing better to do every day of the last decade again, this never appeared in a book, was something i found on a site which supposedly quotes malcolm,(fortunately i found it again, (http://de.magus.wikia.com/wiki/Quote...lcolm_Sheppard) ) anyway the idea was to show that the sphere system is not some cosmic absolute .
    we've all seen rotes that as written do not...
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  • mark
    started a topic is this rote rule official?

    is this rote rule official?

    supposedly malcolm shepard wrote it but i can't find any evidence. anyway it goes like this:
    when you make a rote you can make an intelligence+ occult/science roll at difficulty 8. every 5 successes allow you to remove one dot from a normally necessary sphere and increase another one(or even add a new one) but you can't lower any sphere to less than 2 or more than 2 ranks and for each rank you change you also have to add one more sphere dot to show the relative inefficiency of doing it this way. all needs to make sense paradigmatically

    for instance teleporting a massive amount...
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  • mark
    replied to sorcery questions
    fair enough but let me remind , that before it was discovered(by brigid or whatever) all three circles were used by at least the primordials themselves(possible their souls too,though i guess it's possible they only taught them sorcery so they can keep up with their enemies)...and i'd bet they had different names for them....
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  • mark
    replied to sorcery questions
    point being, gods can use THAT level,even though they obviously aren't celestial exalted...
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  • mark
    replied to sorcery questions
    by that logic the second circle is named after the celestial exalted...
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  • mark
    replied to why are the yozis prisons intentionally flawed?
    "infinite empty void" kinda describes elsewhere.. so perhaps killing cecelyne and/or malfeas simply leaves them free to mess around stuff Elsewhere?(i.e kick the crap out of autochthom...
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  • mark
    replied to why are the yozis prisons intentionally flawed?
    speaking of flaws..doesn't the prison break if malfeas and/or cecelyne dies? after all he is the prison and she is the bars. you'd think the rest of the yozis could gang up on them?
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