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  • mark
    replied to how many thaumaturges are supposed to exist?
    kk thanks everyone.
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  • mark
    replied to how many thaumaturges are supposed to exist?
    so "magic" requiring no thaumaturgy is like mundane magic in ascension?(i.e a gun is magical in that game)
    speaking of thaumaturgy proper,are there any spells/rituals for curing diseases/or protection from them? this is pretty important for a game i think(thematically if such rituals exist then life will be vastly better than what you'd expect from the default setting and existing tech)
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  • mark
    started a topic how many thaumaturges are supposed to exist?

    how many thaumaturges are supposed to exist?

    in second edition primarily
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  • mark
    replied to questions about the nature of the gods.
    i see thank you. essentially caring about their jobs is part of god's nature . also by anthropomorphic personifications i did not mean literally human shaped. i meant like how in greek mythology there is a god-concept called βία(violence)
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  • mark
    replied to questions about the nature of the gods.
    is there any book(2nd edition) explaining how the god system works?


    Motivation had some flaws as a mechanic at times. (Useful, but it could be problematic.) If we put it in different in 3rd edition most gods would have a defining intimacy towards their job, it defines them. Going against that and their goals consequently is like going against the things that make them who they are. It's not impossible, but it's really not an easy thing for anyone to go against a thing they feel defines them. Also some gods were literally created for their jobs, others are shaped by their jobs...
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  • mark
    replied to questions about the nature of the gods.
    if gods are basically glorified bureaucrats.. then why is it so hard for them to act against their motivation?(which is related to their concept) is it like DND devils who get promoted by undergoing some painful metaphysical transformation or something like that?

    also we have an example from the god representing the imperial city whose persona changed from that of a semi-savage warrior to that of a refined graceful effeminate snob

    oh and apples(in second edition) do have gods given than even rice pieces have one.(which is a bit strange if you ask me)

    anyway...
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  • are there changelings with two seelie legacies and no unseelie

    if ones with two unseelie exist..then why not the opposite?
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  • mark
    replied to questions about the nature of the gods.
    by weaker let's make sure we're talking about the same thing. i mean the essence trait. so for instance if a god with essence 6 is demoted does his essence fall?

    for free will let us define it in the following ways

    1)a god of compassion and respect deciding to rape and skin someone alive. not for no reason maybe.. but can he do it? while still remaining a god of compassion and respect?. or a fire elemental deciding it sort of likes water.

    2) a god of whatever doing something( no matter how minor) that is not related to its concept. particularly for small...
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  • mark
    started a topic questions about the nature of the gods.

    questions about the nature of the gods.

    i'm still very new to this game so forgive me if i ask something very obvious?
    1)to what extend do they have free will? i know for instance that they need to spend a willpower point to ignore a motivation.but what about personality traits? although it is unlikely it'snot impossible for humans already settled in their views and who believe strongly in them(conviction) to change radically.
    in short is it possible for,say the unconquered sun to become a complete asshole?(of course he would lose much of his power due to the nature of his abilities but that's something else)
    ...
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  • so basically a million is just a statistic and a few sleepers do not even make it into the stats...
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  • i think it's found in uide to the traditions and mage the sorcerer'scrusade...
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  • for the purpose of this question let's assume that the mage is not Fallen in any way or ridiculously infected by jhor and can genuinely claim this before a ring of truth/mindreading etc.
    i.e an "honest" bastard who is otherwise an upstanding mage...
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  • i believe the hermetic book merely says that wanton murder of sleepers is a high crime. but doesn't say anything about which specific punishment applies.
    also while i don't remember tradition laws properly, i don't think that individual chantries can(legally) do anything worst to a mage than exiling them. i.e if being a sleeper killer for fun and profit is against their law...
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  • mark
    started a topic legal penalty for murdering sleepers?

    legal penalty for murdering sleepers?

    the protocols say "protect the sleepers,they are ignorant of what they do" so i always assumed that at the very least,sacrificing some random entirely innocent guy for quintessence is illegal" yet what is the penalty for it? note,getting on the bad side of the golden chalice doesn't count.
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  • t think is a simpler way of explaining this is to say that mages avatars are like "raw" diamonds- infinite potential but.. not really good at anything..and indeed are not "something"
    whereas the werewolves is one with a particular shape and purpse...
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  • thanks everyone. one last thing,given that i have little experience of awakening.. do these legacies affect the mages world view and affiliations in the same way that paradigm does in ascension? because of what i know magic in awakening seems to be mostly hermetic/kaballah/gnosticism/theosophy
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