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  • Jakondite
    replied to Understanding Sympathy
    Hm. Interesting. Leaves me questions on how to deal with temporal sympathy though - unless its assumed that you use a similar, time version of borrow threads, I'm not sure exactly what the mage's temporal sympathy is with objects he hasn't had or places he's not been before.

    *idly writes up houserules then*...
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  • Jakondite
    replied to Understanding Sympathy
    Soul Stones proxy for their creators for the purpose of sympathy because of their connected nature, so... - still not entirely sure that borrowed threads is a requirement - in the same way that I don't think you'd need to borrow threads from a picture of a person to cast a curse on them. Now - I can certainly see the -benefit- of using borrowed threads, especially if you use it as MrmDubois said and then leave the sensory area of the soul stone; but - here's the breakdown of my logic.

    In order to cast sympathetically you need to have a connection to the subject. Now - strictly speaking,...
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  • Jakondite
    replied to Understanding Sympathy
    No. But if you put two people in a room together they don't form sympathy either. However, if they work at the same place, if they barely know one another, etc, they do form a weak sympathic connection. From my read, Sympathy isn't -emotion- so much as -significance-. Those cans of coke that sit next to each other have no significance to each other - but if they were made in the same shop, from the same sheets of metal, tied to the same 6 pack? Might be a weak connection there.

    As far as that not being how sympathy works, I disagree. While it is possible to borrow or replace the sympathy...
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  • Jakondite
    replied to Understanding Sympathy
    I'm pretty sure that sympathy is a two way street in terms of sympathetic connections. The connection between a person and their hair for instance is strong - no matter which side of the connection that you are looking at. Your magical tool is strong for you - you can connect to it easily, and it can connect to you easily. A relationship is never really 'two different connections' but one thread which can be pulled at from either side.

    That isn't to say that you cannot, however, have a one sided sympathetic attack - either literally or through the use of spying. If you hold little...
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  • Jakondite
    replied to Understanding Sympathy
    1. If you are attempting to cast at sympathetic range, while casting temporally, you have to pay both costs according to Temporal Sympathy. I qualify the Yantras as part of the cost, so yes - you need a sympathetic yantra in order to cast sympathetically, and a sympathetic yantra in order to cast temporally. See answer 4.

    2. Yes, however - if the mage themself has little to no sympathy to the target themselves, that yantra is also likely to be what you are using in order to target them. A lock of hair has a strong connection to it's owner sympathetically, while drawing a picture of...
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  • Jakondite
    replied to Area spells on an item?
    According to the listing of scale under page 113 of the Mage Book...



    I would say that because you cannot target the item itself and apply an area of effect, then no - you are not able to anchor the area of effect to an item and move that area of effect....
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  • Jakondite
    replied to Help on a Abyssal cult idea.
    *considers* The wheat is sentient! By eating the wheat, you slowly become smarter, stronger, faster etc - not because of any nutritional value but because of the sentience that lays inside all living things. Taking this antitruth is easy to take one step further when you realize how many other things are sentient as well - perhaps you could gather power from other sources?

    No seriously though it would be easier to help if you defined what the Abyssal Cult believed and what they follow. I have one cult for instance which follows an entity known as the Silence, and they are big on the...
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  • Jakondite
    replied to Alternative Duel Arcane
    Okay, so this is the first draft so far of said alternative duel style. There are some elements I'd like to add to it right now but I'm not sure how to while keeping it balanced (the element I want to add is gathering mystical resources with the subtle arcana, but I need something unique and strategic for gross arcana so I'll need to work on it. It's basically melding the new arcane rules with Astral Elements now that I look on it - not that I mind, but still. Anyways, thoughts?


    Alternative Duel - Battle for Domain (Astral Duel Arcane?)

    Step 1: Determine the Stakes...
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  • Jakondite
    replied to Controlling Paradox (Scelesti)
    The concept behind that is even better than I originally thought it would be. I look forward to seeing the full thing when you finish ...
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  • Jakondite
    replied to Controlling Paradox (Scelesti)
    That... sounds amazing. I have to wonder what you guys might think would be an appropriate replacement for Wisdom. My first thoughts might run towards themes like "Control" if I think of a Qliphoth as their 0-integrity result - or for a warped take on Wisdom, "Restraint". I am legitimately curious what the opposite end of a Qliphoth might look like in your vision. ...
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  • The reason the dyed hair comes up is because dyed hair is an illusion - an active illusion that you can see. Your immediate perception is that that is their hair color, because they made that their hair color. But it's fake, its false, and the real hair color is a different hair color that they -changed- their hair color to, and the evidence is right there in front of you. There is deception there - it's just not malicious deception in the sense that telling a lie usually is.

    In this example, you do not witness the lie - because the statement itself is not a lie, the memory is. Now...
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  • Jakondite
    replied to Alternative Duel Arcane
    That does sound interesting.

    One form of duel arcane that I have currently thought up involves utilizing an avatar and creating a virtual landscape in a theoretical supernal plane - so, effectively an astral battle (just not in the astral world). This landscape would be decided by both parties and provide a variety of tools that would feasibly be in such a landscape (for instance, rivers have water and a volcano has lava - you might not find it everywhere, but if you have the volcano you can utilize heat, fire, lava, etc because it's there to target and you don't necessarily have...
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  • Jakondite
    replied to Alternative Duel Arcane
    I actually did look through those, and while interesting I didn't want to add thoughts to 1-month old forums posts, and also while their has been musings about different approaches to the duel arcane rules, there have not been anything suggested for alternative duel systems as well. So at the moment I'm looking at brainstorming ideas to make the original better (some of which have been mentioned), as well as systems for alternative duels which might be more fun, such as shadow chess or astral battles.
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  • Jakondite
    started a topic Alternative Duel Arcane

    Alternative Duel Arcane

    So I recently got to try out the new Duel Arcane rules. I like the idea behind them, but ultimately in practice I found the system to be kind of boring. To be fair though, the original 1e duel arcane didn't jive with me either - I've always been a fan of the alternative forms more because most generic duels boil down to one extended, resisted, and contested action. So, I'm currently looking for two things:

    1) House Rules to make the 2e Original Duel Arcane more coherent and enjoyable. I liked that the Doors were only knocked off one at a time, but I'm not sure I liked that the duels...
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  • You could create a ban as a sort of binding circle for the entities that you summon with the other attainment in order to operate safely? Or utilize perfect sympathy to better work against people - man an demon - and convince them to operate to your will.
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    Last edited by Jakondite; 04-07-2017, 09:20 PM. Reason: misremembered - the spell is perfect sympathy, not perfect thread. :)

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  • I'm not sure I'd classify that viewpoint as detecting active lies. I mean, a lot of those I would consider active lies (false advertising, for instance), but some of those could be true and still come up as lies. Aliens could have infiltrated the IRS, but if I make up a statement saying that aliens have infiltrated the IRS to grab attention, it doesn't matter that that's true - at the end of the day I'm lying about the fact.

    It also cuts out a lot of Mystery (capital A) when you apply the lack of activeness required to make such a lie. "God exists" (Ping). Welp, guess not...
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  • The hair change is an active illusion. You can perceive her hair, look at it yourself, and know that that is not it's natural state.

    Taking the dyed hair concept: Looking at someone, you immediately can tell if they dyed their hair or not - but say your looking at the picture created by an artist rather than the actual person themselves. The artist drew that person with the hair color she puts out. The artist does not recognize that the hair is dyed, and when he expresses that he assumes that the hair color is what the hair color is. You would not immediately know that the hair was...
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  • Embellishing a bit further on what I said earlier.

    The thing is, Pierce Deception does not detect things that are wrong - just lies, illusions, and phantasms (active at that). In this case, it depends on what the character is looking at. Is the character utilizing Pierce Deception listening to the testimony, or examining the memory?

    If he's listening to the testimony, he's not listening to a lie. The fact that the memory is changed does not make his words or statements a lie. It simply makes what he is using to base his statement wrong. It is as much a lie to say that...
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  • These are my thoughts:

    Pierce Deception does not detect the Truth, but rather any falsehood. More than that, it must be an active falsehood. It is my interpretation that a person who truly believes something is not actively lying. However, in this case there is a testimony in which the subject is to describe the memory which is altered. Any statements based upon the memory would, in my opinion, not ring to pierce deception. However, recalling the actual memory verbally or a mage using mind in order to look at the memory itself would quickly reveal - after a clash of wills - that there...
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  • Yeah I was having difficulty myself deciding whether to go on the 'heightened senses' or not, or even body control. I may for my players make one for both sides, but at the moment I went with characters deciding on 'one' form from the beginning - as part of their legacy. They decide they have an attachment to wolves, or snakes, or flowers, or silver, and from then on all the attainments specify interactions with that one thing, or based on the legacy members. I also altered the effects of the spells themselves slightly. I -wanted- to give them a heal at level 2 similar to snake skin, but by default...
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