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  • BenjCano
    replied to Vampire nostalgia podcast
    Listening to it now. I feel compelled to respond to some of the things you say or at least contribute to the conversation. Would it be best to do it on this thread or over at utilitymuffinlabs?
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  • I'm sorry but what's the actual question you're asking here?
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  • BenjCano
    replied to Vampire nostalgia podcast
    Oh, I'll do that. It's ON now. ...
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  • BenjCano
    replied to Rising from Torpor
    When in doubt, create a ritual. No reason Resume the Coil can't be adapted into a Necromancy/Thaumaturgy ritual.
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  • BenjCano
    replied to Rising from Torpor
    Here's the power write-up:

    System: The player spends two Willpower points. She then makes a Willpower roll, for which the difficulty is 10 minus the target's Humanity or path rating. Obviously, the vampire uses her own rating if attempting to rouse herself from torpor. For example, if a vampire seeks to rise from torpor and has a Path of Death and the Soul score of 5, his difficulty for the Willpower roll is 5. If the vampire wishes to awaken another Cainite in torpor, she must touch that vampire. The the vampire so raised entered torpor because of a lack of blood, she awakens with...
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  • BenjCano
    replied to Rising from Torpor
    There's a now defunct branch of Necromancy called 'The Mortuus Path' presented when the Harbingers of Skulls were introduced in the Revised Guide to the Sabbat. The level 3 power, 'Resume the Coil,' could help others wake from Torpor.

    I say defunct because The Mortuus Path has not only not been reprinted, but the powers it used to consist of have been divided into Corpose in the Monster and Grave's Decay in V20 and DAV20. 'Resume the Coil' is not one of those, however....
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  • BenjCano
    replied to The Inner Council
    Isn't it obvious?

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  • BenjCano
    replied to Lazarus
    Here's the thing. Cappacocious wasn't converted to Christianity until an encounter with a Coptic monk (Clanbook Cappadocian). There were no Coptic monks until the second half of the first century (and that's just when Christianity spread into Egypt. Apostles weren't monks, and if you mean an actual Coptic Orthodox monk from a Coptic Orthodox church, then the first one of those wasn't founded until late 2nd century. If you mean Catholic Coptic monks, you're not seeing any of them until the 5th century).

    Prior to his conversion, Cappadocious was whatever the hell kind of pagan occult...
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  • BenjCano
    replied to Lazarus
    No more than the man that served me tacos this afternoon was the Jesus fellow the Bible talks about....
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  • BenjCano
    replied to Breaking curses
    You just described the Sphere of Entropy....
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  • Unseen Presence, I'll grant you. But Vanish from the Mind's Eye?...
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  • Countermagic. Aside from that (shrug).
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  • Allow me to answer your question with a question. Can I use obfuscate to hide myself priming a flamethrower? Loading a shotgun with dragons breath rounds? Lighting the fuse on a Molotov cocktail? If yes, your demarcation of three sources of the pain and fiery burning and the other source of pain and fiery burning seems really arbitrary....
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  • Actually, we have seen it. It was published in the recent Lore of the Bloodlines as a Daimoinon 7 power.

    Meaning, for this thing to see widespread use, there are 6th Generation Baali running around doing this for Baali apostates. ...
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  • Right, but the problem is that if the truth about the origins ever becomes relevant, how can you give it to the players in a way that they can accept it as definitive? Documents? See my last post. Eyewitness? See my last post. Divine revelation? How do you get anyone to believe you based on evidence that's subjective by its very nature, and how do you rule out trickery and implanted memories? Caine/Lilith/God come down and personally tells you about the way it was? Then Kammerer's point holds when he says "If Caine or Lilith show up then what matters is what they want right now and what kind...
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  • What would that proof look like? An ancient document? Aya has mentioned that if we put vampires in our real world, their origin predates the development of writing by thousands of years. If you suppose some lost Enochian civilization with its own system of writing that mortal scholars are unaware of, you run into the problem of how did the character learn that language in order to decipher the document? Who wrote the document? If it's not a first hand account, you're already talking about hearsay information, which can't be definitive, only probabilistic.

    Another problem you run into...
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  • I think you overestimate how exciting the study of ancient documents is. Richard Carrier once told a story about studying a fragment of Egyptian papyrus in his graduate days. It took him a year to work out that the document in his hand was a piece of a tax receipt. A year. To decipher a tax receipt.

    Not every ancient document is going to be the REAL TRUE HISTORY OF THE CAINITE RACE....
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  • To paraphrase George Lucas, the origins are just a tool, a means of telling a story. People have a tendency to confuse them as an end to themselves. An origin without a story is a pretty boring thing.

    Let's say we grant that Lilith is a Wan Xian and/or Caine is the Ebon Dragon. What do we do with this? Where do we go with it? How does it influence a game of Vampire or Kindred of the East? What kind of game can you introduce it to? What sorts of story hooks does it present?

    If a Kindred learned about this origin, how would they go about confirming it? How would they convince...
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  • Right. Just like there would never be a Path with thematic and mechanical overlap with Obteneb...oh wait.

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