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  • You're getting it wrong because the developer said your interpretation was wrong. I simply said it must not be clear if you're getting it wrong. Maybe I'm mistaken and you are purposefully interpreting something incorrectly. Whatever.

    I didn't see that about aimed spells because I forgot to get an updated copy. I'm not sure what the point of an aimed spell would be anymore. Nevermind, wrong page. The system works fine without aimed spells so I'm not sure how they can break the system....
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    Last edited by Diggs; 08-08-2017, 09:06 PM.

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  • If the choice is clear then why are you getting it wrong? A distinctive between two things is irrelevant when there is no choice between them. The choice you want to exist is nothing more than min/max while limiting options. The system is designed for utility rather than min/max options like when it doesn't allow a spell to have its primary factor changed.

    My fault for bringing up aimed spells, but they don't create an area of effect so there is no issue. I must have missed the part where you can't cast aimed spells on multiple targets if your spell has an increased number of subjects....
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  • My rhetorical questions were designed to point out the logical flaws in all the positions that I could think up not suggesting that anyone had or should take that view. My view is the changed quoted text I provided, and I agree that it seems to be suggesting Lasting effects without justification, but sometimes writers fudge things, so I didn't touch that. It doesn't affect the difference between number of subjects or area of effect.


    Charlaquin
    "If using Area of Effect for Scale, the factor instead determines how large the area covered by the spell is, applying the...
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  • Casting Without a Trace on the room using area of effect would change the description to "For the Duration of the spell, all subjects leave no fingerprints, footprints, traces of blood, or any other forensic type evidence of herself behind while in the area."

    If the subjects could leave the room and still wouldn't leave any trace then what would happen to new people entering the room during the duration? If the spell doesn't affect the new people then it wasn't actually cast on an area. It would be the same as using number of subjects which means redundancy. If new people...
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  • I think I shouldn't have mentioned aimed spells because that would be the logical interpretation. I meant targeting the room. Sorry....
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  • I'm glad learning about Mutants and Masterminds was of some use. The system probably isn't the most intuitive. I'm not a mage expert so there could easily be a better way to create the contingency effect.

    An aimed spell being called out like it is justifies having the effect on the target (person). It is a special case. I think that actually does stick with the person. Maybe I shouldn't have brought that up.

    In the end, a spell that (arbitrarily setting factors) turns all the people inside a room into frogs for one month has two target types with two durations (possibly...
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  • The shorter answer would be to create Satchel's spell requires a turn to frog spell using a subject scale that is combined with a hung spell that has a condition of entering the specific area or some other method to create a contingency. There are two magic effects anyway you look at it. The first casts a spell on people within the room and upon entering the room for a duration. The second is the frog spell cast on a person with its own duration.
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  • I think the intuitive bit depends on where a person comes at it from. Vancian magic has a completely different outlook than the magic system in Mage. If a person familiar with a specific spell-centric magic system deals with variable spell parameters then they keep the basic spell and the parameters' affects change based on the spell. The Mage system is centered on an effect and all the spell parameters/rules are absolute. Keeping the correct mindset for the system helps.

    It is intuitive to consider a "turn into a frog" spell to be based on subject rather than area. However,...
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  • Diggs
    replied to You as a vampire?
    A touch less than the one that thinks they're Ventrue material, I imagine....
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  • Diggs
    replied to Half-Damned - what do we know?
    I think I was surprised by the Sanctified taking a logical position. I have no issue with it. I had assumed the Sanctified viewed dhampir as abominations that needed to be destroyed. Of course, that actually wasn't specifically what I found "shocking" about the preview. The dhampir were so one-note to me in Wicked Dead that to see a rework that offers them such a broad use was awesome, in the literal rather than ninja turtle sense.
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  • Diggs
    replied to Merits [Changeling 2e Preview]
    I was wondering about that. Since the merit indicates it works with a Contract then there must be some remainder to the "elemental" contracts. I think we have to wait to find out how elemental powers will end up.
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  • Diggs
    replied to Half-Damned - what do we know?
    Ask and ye shall receive.

    That was pretty shocking for me. I wouldn't have thought the Sanctified would accept dhampir.

    Interesting presentation and obviously lots of thought was put into the role of a dhampir in stories from a variety of perspectives. I assume dhampir have about a third of the book so there is much more to see later. Great tease. I have quite a few more questions now, but I shall digest and wait. I think if this is representative of the rest of the book Vampire fans will be happy.

    I guess we know dhampir powers are called Breaks and Malisons....
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  • Diggs
    replied to 2ed edition immortals thansfer
    The Fall of Isireion in the Dark Eras Companion has blood bathers and body thieves. That leaves Purified and the odd collection of random immortals.
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  • Diggs
    replied to Half-Damned - what do we know?
    Good. I never thought Wicked Dead dhampir were useful outside of an antagonist and they didn't really need a curse to serve that role, although it certainly made them more generally useful as antagonists. If someone is playing a vampire that has a kid then I think they deserve full support in an attempt to be a parent because there is so much that can go wrong. Seemed a poor choice to basically say to a vampire player their character has a kid now they need to avoid them at all costs.

    Of all things that could be spoiled, I want to know the role of a dhampir. Normally, I prefer mechanics...
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  • I think local names in that region would be Irish, Scottish, and possibly Norse.
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  • Diggs
    replied to Half-Damned - what do we know?
    I think there was supposed to be updates on ghoul families and the dhampirs are still supposed to be problems for their vampire parents but more easily playable.
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  • Diggs
    replied to Deviant: the Renegades
    If Mummy is yellow enough then I think Werewolf can be orange enough. I fear one day they will come out with a hot pink skull. ...
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  • Diggs
    replied to You as a vampire?
    No, although I would be more drawn to the ephemeral combat and darkness sight more than anything. Otherwise, I wouldn't bother with a Mekhet bloodline. Scholar or diplomat would be a tough decision. Either fits me better than warrior. I'm not sure I would be interested in a Dragon's idea of "research". I would probably only join for the coils which apparently is pretty common. A badass friend wouldn't hurt, but I would focus on Protean teacher. Gangrel would actually be my second choice but the Mekhet role probably fits me better, a bit half-Mekhet and half-Gangrel....
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  • Diggs
    replied to Mirror Space
    Loophole has a glass door counting as a mirror in the contract description, so quite a lot counts as a mirror.
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  • From the 2e core alone, a character can join up to 4 covenants, p. 113. This should still make sense. If covenants are at war then a covenant probably won't want someone affiliated with their enemy. Covenants are usually eager to accept new members, so unless a covenant knows a character was expelled, the reason for expulsion, and would likewise expel someone under the same circumstances, I don't think a covenant cares if a character isn't liked elsewhere.
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