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  • I'm leaving it because it's my habit, but I'm not really feeling the stuff that I'm saying in these brackets.
    {You mean this section?


    Kind of specifically says shapeshifted Lunar.

    And you're there saying that it has nothing to do with spotting the tell, while acknowledging that you only even get to make the roll if you're familiar with the tell... why do you think you're only able to make the attempt if you're already familiar with the tell?}

    No, wait, scratch that... it now reads more to me like you think that I'm under the impression that somebody...
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  • No, again, I'm asking if you think it's even necessary to make a roll to try and see the shapeshifted Lunar's Tell if they're acting in a manner that somebody who knows what a Lunar is would be on guard against.

    You come across a wolfhound murdering a younger Dynast, is it really necessary to confirm that they have purple eyes to conclude that it's quite likely to be a Lunar, and respond accordingly? What do you really have to lose?

    Unless the Tell ends up being written in a manner that actively imposes upon people's thoughts and behaviour, it strikes me as kind of silly...
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  • Isator Levi
    replied to Exalted and the origins of power
    I'm all for this, and am suddenly thinking about amusing ways in which Luna's standards for what counts as being somebody in a disadvantaged position might differ significantly from the Unconquered Sun's.

    Like an heir apparent to a monarch who chafes terribly under all of the social conventions and constraints and standards of etiquette that polite society imposes upon them, culminating in a moment of disastrous personal rebellion that could destroy them (which Luna finds compelling in a manner that she responds to with the Second Breath)… but still possessed and wielded significant...
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  • Isator Levi
    replied to Exalted and the origins of power
    Something related to my point that was started by sentiments expressed in a different thread is how one might approach villains from the Realm. How the combination of systemic entitlement and power not really being distributed according to a criteria of power could create very powerful people in the Realm who are just kind of all-around terrible and don't really have any deeper complexities to their motives. They're motivated by a status quo that has always strongly benefited them, that they were brought up to believe they deserved, and without the kind of socialising to cultivate much in the...
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  • That difficulty (which might be modified a bit in the proper Lunar book) is about discerning that the animal you're looking at is a Lunar. The Dragon Blooded Charm is about perceiving the thing physically.

    If all a Lunar has for stealth is shapeshifting, and approaches a Dragon Blood in possession of that Charm with murderous intent, a successful Terrestrial will know that they're being approached by a dangerous arthropod.

    There are ways for it to be dangerous without knowing that it's a Lunar; it could be particularly venomous and unusually aggressive, it could be some...
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  • Isator Levi
    replied to Exalted and the origins of power

    Panther's case would be more dubious to me if he was a Dawn Caste rather than a Zenith, but that whole thing running on an emotional tone of deep dissatisfaction shifts it far away from "Panther was really good at something, and so he became Exalted, because that was his due".

    Besides, the guy was a highly paid sports entertainer in a pre-modern context. He wasn't exactly running anything, and that kind of thing runs on a sharp time limit even by modern standards.



    Let's see... in Caste Book Eclipse, Admiral Sand was a man who had...
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  • There are acceptable degrees, but I find your proposition goes way too far. It's going beyond somebody coming up with a number of extremely novel and kind of tangential ways to apply shapeshifting against which there would be no defence, and kind of saying that the most basic application of the core power of one of the main character groups is too broken to really use (or at least use in a manner that needs to think about wider implications).



    Shapeshifted Lunars are often the most threatening.

    Seriously, it's a Charm specifically about forewarning you against...
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  • Isator Levi
    replied to Exalted and the origins of power
    I mean, the whole part about Green Sun Princes being Chosen from the downtrodden, the underprivileged and the bitterly vengeful is already a given, having come from developer statements on both sides of the transition. All I'm doing is reverse-engineering a connection from that to a notion about the Solar Exalted.

    That and I'm amused by the idea that the Yozis would really prefer if they could just direct the Essences towards people who already have power and assert it violently and exploitatively against people beneath them, mostly with a view that such people would be a much more...
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  • Isator Levi
    replied to Exalted and the origins of power
    Maybe not necessarily screwed, but Volfer's write-up and one of his Minor Intimacies definitely read to me as him having insecurities that would lead to him being defensive about his own Exaltation. Certainly, the idea that he actively refuses to speak about it might suggest a bit of self-consciousness.

    That being said, I think it also reinforces my thesis with references to the idea that, even though he enjoys the experience of violence, he's specifically not a bully, as well as how his Defining Principle is a desire to see the self-righteous get taught a lesson. I also read something...
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  • Isator Levi
    replied to Exalted and the origins of power
    I don't know where to find Volfer's story, so I can't effectively assess that.

    I would still propose that his fallible human perspective would not invalidate the idea that his life or his moment were ones of significant adversity, if not general powerlessness.

    More importantly, I think it's good so long as he wasn't a guy who was so strong and skilled that he went around asserting himself against people weaker than him, and had that validated....
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  • Isator Levi
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    Exalted and the origins of power

    In the course of analysing Exalted and trying to reflect on some common patterns (particularly as regards trying to form a basic standard between what is valid for being Exalted and what is not), I noticed something interesting.

    As far as I can tell, when it comes to published Exalted material, I don't think we've ever really gotten an example of Celestial Exalted, especially Solars, who were Chosen from a position of strength. Like, offhand, I can't think of an instance where a writer gave as an example somebody who was, say, already a powerful and accomplished and unstoppable conquering...
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  • Isator Levi
    replied to Traditional gender roles in the realm.
    Some of this conversation is touching on a subject that is relevant to my interests, but not really on topic, and I would want neither subject to becomes muddied up. I shall take it elsewhere.
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  • As opposed to invalidating the Dragon Blooded player's concept of being alive the first time that the Storyteller throws a Night Caste at them?

    Why do so many of these conversations turn so binary; you'd think people took the card game analogies very literally, and assumed success was based on immediately giving the win to whomever has the bigger number.

    There's a reason that my last line in the prior post was about presenting a challenge, rather than forming an impenetrable cordon.

    And I personally find the idea that the stealthy assassin needs to ultimately...
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  • Now, let's see what I can do when I'm posting from a computer rather than a phone for the first time in about a month.



    It seemed to me that the proposition was centred on the image of a Lunar who goes for the Exalted at the top of an army in the field because it's there, and because many Lunars have a deadly agenda towards the Realm and its Chosen. A Lunar who is not currently occupied by something that takes higher priority gets wind of a legion on the move, and makes a beeline for the target because one of the major strategies of the Silver Pact is to render the Threshold...
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  • Isator Levi
    replied to You Know what I love MK I
    I am quite happy that I managed to find the missing Elgato box containing the RCA to AV converter cable that I complained about being unable to find in the Hate thread. It turned out to be in my bedside drawer, just underneath one thing.

    However, that is only a secondary cause for celebration today; after close to four months of neurotically refusing to use it, I have finally returned to my beloved laptop. More important than that, though, is a complete overhaul to how I am using it.

    For a period of about a year, I had developed an issue of obsessively retaining tabs,...
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  • Isator Levi
    replied to Traditional gender roles in the realm.
    The Realm as a whole is still competent, and a legion is way too high for that.



    Ancient Rome and Greece, maybe, although that can generally only be speculated upon.

    That and how a lot of their homosexual relations played into a few problem masculine ideas of the time.



    As far as I know, mistresses as an institution is really more of an Early Modern thing, although that might be kind of nitpicking. More pertinent is how it doesn't quite track, because that's really kind of commodifying one's own objectification, more than exchanging...
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  • Isator Levi
    replied to Traditional gender roles in the realm.
    I think the main reason to include Dragon Blooded who would kind of be incompetent failures but for privileges provided by their birth is because they're an aristocracy.

    Sure, not all aristocrats are incompetent to be sure, but I'd say there ought to be Terrestrial Exalted in which their divine power kind of serves the same function as a start up loan from their Dad.

    What Fire Has Wrought didn't need to have such a detail to be whole, but it wasn't a house of cards that would collapse entirely at the first mere mention of such to anybody that was reading in good fait...
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  • Isator Levi
    replied to You Know What I Hate MK I
    I hate that, having resolved some personal issues with my laptop and getting it strongly into my head to record my play of Xenoblade Chronicles, I find that I have no idea where the box with the component that would hook my Elgato card to the Wii is, having not seen it since the move.

    I'm troubled by the serious consideration of spending about €50 to purchase a replacement of that one cable. Either that or finding a Cex outlet carrying a full Elgato, and trying to convince them to sell me the wire separately.
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  • You have to find their camp first.



    They're probably not treating every day, or even every campaign, as though Lunars will come along, but, y'know, Lunars are at about the top of their list of enemies; they have to employ some measures against them.



    It does if the guards are Exalted, stay awake, maybe have some Artifacts useful to their goal on hand, and will be wary at best of any small creature that enters the place because they know what Lunars can do.



    Especially Terrestrial Exalted primacy, which requires them...
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  • That's not going to fly in a setting where the Lunar Exalted are actively at war with them. The Realm book has been stated by developers to contain information on security measures against Lunars, some of which will probably be applicable on the march.



    That's just a bad way to army even when you're not up against shapeshifting devil witches.

    There's room for the archetype you're referring to, but it seems more fitting to somebody on holiday, rather than conducting serious military operations.

    As an overall picture of Dragon Blooded, it's terribly...
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