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  • Like, if you've been married to a person for twenty years, your feelings about that person are not going to be defined solely by a few days in which the attitude becomes cooled and distant as a consequence of weakened sympathetic link. The other person being there for you when your parents died in that tragic blimp accident is going to count for something....
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  • I think sympathetic connections emerge from the closeness of relationships rather than being the actual mechanism of them. There's a reciprocal element to an extent, what with the description of cooled or intensified feelings, but I think those should be read in terms of how the actual relationship doesn't inherently change, and can reassert itself to the degree that the connection resumes its natural form.

    In the case of something where the subject is through something outright magical it would be like... the Connected bond is not what makes you able to feel and act through your...
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  • Honestly, I think if Orders have much in the way of administrative work, that's largely done by the Sleepwalkers anyway. The qualifications for being able to run something in a group like the Mysterium aren't in office work, they're in the guidance of new initiates and conferring with fellows to coordinate research and make decisions about affairs related to interaction with other Orders.



    It's nothing specific to you....
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  • I would go with it as an idea that the mystagogue in question manages to have an intuitive sense for the full depths of the Order's mysticism that an appropriate mentor decided to nurture, even if they haven't yet gotten the experience or developed the capabilities that allow them to rise from the position of somebody who needs their research assigned and guided by a superior up to the level of being able to conduct independent inquiries and being part of the caucus's decision making body.
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  • See, this gets into a question of how much the decent treatment of other human beings is something that mages express in principle, and yet prove fairly unmotivated at enforcing in practice.

    Is there something about mages that would make them notably better at curtailing such mistreatment than real people tend to be?

    If it's a choice between a victim who has supernatural powers and can even communicate to your fellows on something like equal terms, and people who are powerless and ignorant, which one is the dumber choice of abuse victim?

    Even that is predicated...
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  • I am... somewhat frustrated that in 2022 it's still necessary to bring up the point that people are not generally rapists because of an unsatisfied sex drive.

    Likewise, willing partners can be specifically not what they want.

    There are circumstances where a rapist can get a person to agree to go home with them on the premise of having consensual sex, and then raping that person.

    As far as mages go, the Condition that gives them an Obsession of using their magic to dominate other people seems like the kind of thing that flows very directly into being a serial...
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  • I'd also say there's an interesting nuance to mage society in which there are personal rights that, being held as Gold, have the highest level of being sacrosanct. Sanctum and Sigil lists out Great Rights that the individual/cabal can adhere to, and among those is Nemesis; the right to declare that another mage is your enemy and you are entitled to pursue that feud with them. I'd say that a Consilium might have laws that can regulate the expression of the Right of Nemesis to an extent (and I think that you can only declare it on a mage who has established that Nemesis is a Right they recognise;...
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  • I think the general tone of mage society would be such that while the general charter of a Consilium will establish the common principle that abuse of Sleepers is wrong, the specifics are the kind of thing that tend to be developed ad hoc and then form precedents for later reference. Hence, a lot of it is going to come down to how well opposing sides argue it before the council. I think it makes for more effective gameplay and narratives more fitting within the Chronicles of Darkness if the bar for what counts as violating the Precept of Hubris is often a lot higher than many people who have not...
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  • Reviewing the Storytelling chapter a bit, I would add the caveat that while there's probably nothing in the mechanisms of the Shadow Name that would be affected by such circumstances, culturally it might be something that puts other mages off a bit. I think they could generally be credited with managing to know the difference between Eddy as a nickname and Eddy as a term for wind current used as Shadow Name, but might still think the person using it like that is being a bit cavalier, even vulgar, with their choice of name. I'm imagining a scenario in which other mages in Eddy's presence when there's...
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  • I don't think there's any reason why Veiling of Matter wouldn't be able to make objects seem to be something other than they are. It seems like a basic application of that Practice to that Arcanum, and I don't think it's as if it would alter the parameters of how the object can actually be used. Like how you can make something invisible but it remains tangible; I'm picturing carrying an item through a hole it shouldn't be able to fit in being perceived by a Sleeper, and it conveys the meaning of Dissonance.

    I'm thinking such a spell should have limits on the range of false information...
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  • Isator Levi
    replied to Conditions used on Spells?
    Not as such, but the sidebar on page 126 does say that mages will frequently use spells to give themselves Conditions as a way of generating beats, and it's framed in-character as using magic as a means to gain additional insight or challenge themselves. I agree with the idea that an Acanthus will be casting spells in service to goals or needs, but if your goal or need is to acquire deeper knowledge into how the auspices of Fate can change lives then it's perfectly consistent for one to bless or curse oneself in order to learn lessons from it or just generally remove the friction from one's s...
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  • The description of the Shadow Name in relation to the Nimbus makes it come across as more than just a word. It's a matter of creating a separation of identity, of confining the use of the Art to when you present yourself as what you aspire your ideal Supernal self to be.

    I would say the Shadow Name won't be compromised just from people overhearing it, even if it isn't a homonym for a normal-sounding nickname. It's a question of what people have in mind when they address you by the name, whether you come off as different and, most importantly, whether you're casting spells on things...
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  • If you're talking about in terms of keeping the sympathetic name a secret, then any alias or nickname will suffice for that.

    Looking back at the Shadow Name Merit, I do see how that has a benefit of increasing the Withstand rating for sympathetic magic that is targeting the mage when in their Sleeper persona, so... On the one hand, it's not really a matter of how different the name is, but how much of a persona one creates and lives by it. If a person wants Eddy to provide extra protection, then live by that wind symbolism in a way that makes it clear that it's not just the shorthand...
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  • I think the information on Shadow Names really conveys a lot of useful insight here.

    For a start, there's a clearly established standard for what a person's sympathetic name is given at the start of the description of the Space Arcanum; it's the name people (specifically people with Strong sympathetic links to you) called you by the first time you started forming sympathetic links to other people during infancy (said to be the time a child begins forming a sense of self). If he was called James (Hall) at the time, then that is the permanent name for sympathetic magic purposes, barring...
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  • I don't think something in a Hunter: the Vigil supplement is applicable....
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  • Doing the things that the Orders are about.

    You'd probably end up pushing the Mysterium into the background a bit....
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  • Would you choose to retroactively apply Paradox to a spell somebody cast that didn't Reach at all?...
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  • I think the imago can determine what specific thing it is, but there's still a quiddity to a thing that determines its form when produced by magic. Like, if you transform something into a cat or make one whole cloth, you can determine many of the parameters of its appearance, but it still needs to have features within the range of what a cat is.

    A construct woven of the prima materia might be up to the imagination of the player, but I think that once they decide on what that is it ought to be firmly set....
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  • Isator Levi
    replied to Damned Jack (Supernal Being)
    Hmm. Being caught between contradictory oaths seems like the kind of thing that has more of a Celtic mythology to inform its symbolism than Christian. It was the thing that ruined Cu Chulainn.
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  • I generally just imagine Prime constructs looking like the kind of magic in the Doctor Strange movies. I picture it as a fairly universal thing, because I think that's in keeping with Prime's themes of being something essential and elemental. Like, it's manipulating Mana stripped to the bones, and in that case forming it into something like the framework upon which phenomena sits.

    Kind of make it a more iridescent colour than the orangey-red in the movies, but otherwise no.
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