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  • I think that it’s fitting that the arrangement in alphabetical order should start things off with Appearance, the originally unwanted child of Lunar Charms.


    Heart-Drinking Allure has already been seen in preview, the first of our new sacred hunt Charms, and I’ll reiterate here my preference for it being a bit more strictly conditional to ensure that it doesn’t crowd out the basic hunt. I sincerely hope that a lot of concerns are relieved by the sidebar being explicit that the necessary intimacy does not need to be sexual in nature.

    Ohh, that’s right, every...
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  • I do not believe that Dex Davican said that they're fighting (on the whole) for the freedom of anybody besides themselves. Braveheart is kind of silly, but so are a lot of the contrary hot takes that Scottish wars of independence were unconcerned with any form or standard of the term. Historically, a lot of people have fought for preferences of one kind of overlord compared to another.

    A lot of American revolutionaries had the audacity to refer to themselves as slaves, even....
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  • Yeah, I mean, the circularity of the reasoning... I imagine that many Lunars who desire freedom view conflict with the Realm confining, and find the most effective way to break out of that confinement to be making the Realm not a thing anymore.

    What exactly is clever bollocks Lunar who points out the supposed contradiction offering as an alternative form of supposedly purer freedom?

    "We're fighting the Nazis because we want them to stop killing people."
    "But fighting Nazis gives them an opportunity to kill people! Plot hole DING!!!"
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  • Isator Levi
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    I'm so confused.

    I mean, this isn't the thread for it, and maybe it'll never be discussed, but I'm still just... nothing but confused about this thing specifically....
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  • This feels very reminiscent of the fallacy of intolerance to me....
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  • Heh; the old World of Darkness arguments were before my time, but I've heard some accounts after the fact, and something in this line of discussion feels very reminiscent of them.

    Malcolm Sheppard may not be writing in this Lunars book, but I feel as though he is with it in spirit.



    In a world where the landscape is neatly divided into five collective elementally-flavoured biomes, geography is but a mere kowtowing servant to theme....
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  • {eyes widening}

    Octopus totem......
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  • No. They are all interesting and compelling in distinct ways that shape different kinds of stories. They're unlike the Great Houses in that school and person are too intertwined to elevate an individual separate from the surrounding system, like with Mnemon.

    The closest I could get is in judging ones as significantly rising in my estimation from prior portrayals, in which case it would be Leviathan and Luthe....
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  • I don't have high expectations of the dominions chapter referring to Lunars with little or no conflict with the Realm (although I can make an argument for including at least one), but I definitely think it would be a less good chapter of it focused too heavily on the dominions of elders.

    Keeping in mind that I think referring to anybody fewer than five hundred years old as an elder in this context is a little bit silly.
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  • Isator Levi
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    Let's see when we have sample of Sidereal Martial Arts.
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  • I said it was odd, and stood out. There's no accusation there just...benign criticism.
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  • In a discussion specifically about a character's gender identity? It stands out a bit....
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  • Kelly Pederson asked Vance on Tuesday if Leviathan was trans, and was told yes.

    (The preferred terminology would be that Leviathan was assigned female at birth, and... it seems a bit odd to use they/them pronouns when the character is only ever described with he/him.)
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  • Given how the developers have described being Casteless, I would be surprised if there wasn't at least one in the chapter. The motivation would probably be different, as the tattoos specifically don't come with an obligation. Really, something like Vert's motive (if not her fervency) seems like the basic standard for an independent Lunar....
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  • I don't get it. The core book describing in explicit detail that there are Lunars, a decent number of them, that weren't affiliated with the Pact was one of the first things that stood out to me, and it seems to be widely overlooked elsewhere.

    The Lunars book contains frequent references to them, more than I'd have called for had it been my decision (I would have been wrong), and it's alternately not enough or just kind of missed?

    Wh- what more do people want? In terms of internal logic and gameplay and setting design, there's reasonable purpose behind the Silver Pact...
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  • Silence!



    I considered such an approach to What Fire Has Wrought, somewhere down the line. It left a bad taste in my mouth. I am maniacally committed.

    And these are Lunar Charms! Lunars! How long have we waited for them to fulfill their destiny?

    Anyway, here's wonderwall.

    [QUOTE
    Okay, I think I can at least get through the Intro and Universal Charms before having to wade through all of that rich, syrupy pudding.

    I wonder if the fact that it launches right into it reflects how the final product will look. I would...
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  • Okay, four days until the next manuscript preview. How long is this Charms preview?

    ..... Sixty two pages.

    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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  • Okay, finally finish off, and then… on to the Charms. :S


    Silver Pact’s relations with external powers. Being what it is, there’s no unified idea or policy, just a broad consensus with lots of personal variations, seemingly informed by a rather proprietary attitude towards their grudge with the Realm.

    Now, what’s the definition of an independent Lunar? Err, bpperr… so, you can still get favours and connections, which is a bit more association than I would expect. I guess then to be an independent means having neither hostility to the Realm, adherence to...
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  • I think it's worth considering that who they love is, in many cases, going to extend to other Lunars, especially under the circumstances in which they first meet.

    Even if those circumstances have nothing to do with saving them from the Wyld Hunt. Other Lunars give you your Caste, and that's surely a profound, powerful experience. Many Lunars are extremely compelling, impressive figures in their own right; some, evidently, more than they really like.

    And then there are the Lunars who are not threatened personally, but can be swayed by the arguments of those that are already...
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  • Give me a minute, I'll compile every example whose interest in fighting the Realm is little to non-existent.
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