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  • That’s not the meaning I see in her post. The message I’m seeing there is “Why go hunting for your Eichmann (or Joe Chill, or whoever)? It won’t get you anything concrete, so is that going to make you feel even a bit better?” And that question illustrates the cultural gap here, because we both see the answer as obvious and self-evident, yet those answers differ....
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  • I guess this is a cultural difference that can’t be reconciled.

    One of the most popular stories my people retell is that of Eichmann’s capture and execution. The whole affair didn’t undo anything the Nazis had done, didn’t save any additional lives, didn’t extract any remorse or admission of wrongdoing from Eichmann before his death. And it carried some costs to get done.

    Yet we do view it as a triumph, and it did (and does) make people feel better. Eichmann’s sins no longer went unpunished; the goal was complete.

    Where I’m from, that’s...
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    Last edited by Cielle; 08-12-2019, 05:17 AM.

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  • RAW sounds like it will work fine. A few people were helpful enough to say “hey, here’s a couple sourcebooks that seem like they might help with what you’re after.”

    That’s all I really needed. I’m certainly not going to stop doing anything with Changeling....
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    Last edited by Cielle; 08-02-2019, 07:20 AM.

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  • As I have said several times, exerting control is not particularly about killing and violence. I have used that framing to streamline communication, since it's what you insist on talking about and it makes sense within the context of the game world. But you keep falling back on that framing to the exclusion of everything else and insisting that alone is what I'm interested in. That's your failure of imagination, not mine.

    Clearly we've had much different life experiences. I am happy with who I am, and whatever you think of them, life has indeed rewarded me well for my choices of how...
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  • I think this question holds more significance to you than it does to me. What happens afterward is that you continue to live, and they don't. That's of concrete benefit.

    How you feel about it is your decision....
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  • Not sure I agree it’s comparable. Beast in particular gives the characters a lot of agency and control; four of the six Inheritances are explicitly done to defy the narrative forces that constrain Beasts, and allow the Beast to triumph over those forces. And of those four, only Incarnate is mechanically restrained to the endgame.

    Other lines offer their own paths. Mummies have their Apotheosis. Prometheans have their Pilgrimage. Mages have Ascension and vampires have Golconda, even if they aren’t as well-defined mechanically.



    Maybe not, but saving the...
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    Last edited by Cielle; 08-01-2019, 06:10 PM.

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  • You haven’t shown me that courtesy at any point. The first thing you did in this thread was to “toss armchair diagnostics” at me. If you consider that inappropriate, then you should not have set the tone by doing that in the first place....
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  • Could you expound on this? I don’t own the supplements, but the corebook does not seem to allow for that as a possibility and actively discourages it, so I hadn’t expected other books would contradict that....
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  • The problem is, it doesn’t offer the option. It only tells those kind of stories.



    That’s a gloomy outlook. Maybe you can’t fix the entire world’s problems or exert perfect control over every circumstance, that doesn’t mean it’s pointless to try to fix your direct problems.



    This is...awkward. I’m afraid he’s been on my ignore list for quite a while. I don’t see his posts (when that feature works, which is irritatingly inconsistent), so I can’t be sure what exactly you’re referring to, and TBH I’m not really interested...
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  • This kind of reductiveness isn’t helpful.

    It’s not about “punching your abuser in the face”. It’s about having a way, any way, to actually excise the source of danger that remains in your life. Killing could be one way to interpret that, if you like. A creative person should be able to think of others.

    Changelings are not simply living with PTSD. The threat here is very physical and external - for every last one of them.



    It’s not about mental health. It’s about physical health. Self-care is insufficient protection against a Keeper,...
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  • I wish CtL allowed you to confront your Keeper.

    Changeling doesn’t hold back with its themes. It’s clear from the outset that it’s a game about trauma, about living through something that changes you irrevocably and the struggle to regain some feeling of safety and normalcy in the wake of that. It’s very evocative and has the potential to get deeply personal.

    What irks me is, the framework of CtL’s setting does not allow you to ever really reclaim your strength after that trauma. You can heal mentally and emotionally, sure. You can establish a new life or reclaim your old one, and you can fend off the Huntsmen who come....
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