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  • Focus from serving Fomorians to being independent, which is barely noticeable change considering House is still led by the same person from his fortress defended by his BSD guards, can be done quite nicely even while being Unseelie, I personally just don't see how having a few rare Seelie members does any difference other than diluting the Houses legacy.

    Being Seelie or Unseelie is not about serving Fomorians. But it did still enforce the bloodties to the Fomorians that is the core of House Balor by leaving them with two ties to their didtant forebears, firstly by their challenge...
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  • I simply don't see how making them able to be Seelie would make them any more playable than they have been. Unseelie are and have always been perfectly playable.

    @ Lian
    Still I don't see how that is really relevant. Unseelie are part of the Tuathan dream but it is also closest part to the Fomorian dream, which is why even Thallain have one as a secondary legacy. So all in all I do think retaining Balors inability to be dominantly Seelie is still quite appropriate....
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  • Which is exactly why I do not understand why House Balor was changed in such manner....
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    replied to Rules for Glamour type?
    So basically Glamour is now Glamour and dark Glamour as a concept doesnt really exist anymore, meaning the answer to OP's question is that there are no special effects for Changeling using Glamour taken from Nightmare beings unless the ST deems so.

    The problem still remains though that even C20 unfortunately forgot to give any rules to use Reverie to inspire fear and terror, as all the musing tresholds are still about positive emotions. Currently the rules can be used to inspire a mortals creativity so that the mortal then spreads terror to his fellow men in inspired ways but there...
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    replied to Rules for Glamour type?
    There were rumours that such rules would have been introduced in the now lost Book of Glamour, but unfortunately C20 offers us no answers recarding dark Glamour.

    Personally I tried adressin it in my contribution to the open call way back but the word count was strict and it seems my writing was not impressive enough.

    Perhaps future supplements will delve deeper into the differences between Glamour and dark Glamour and even give us better, non banal, ways to harvest the sweet essence of Nightmares.
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    replied to Venomous Bite
    This is the preferable option in my opinion.


    That being said I do believe the "correct" mechanism they were after would have been 3L initial damage and then 1L/h for 6 hours....
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  • So, I went over Dreams and Nightmares and the information relevant to the subject at hand can be found on pages 12-13, 27, 39 and 54-55. And simply put Mists return memories to you the deeper into the Dreaming you go, of past visits and even past lives, and takes them away as you return closer to the Autumn world. Sometimes written notes may survive in parts or in whole while in others Mists may claim them as well. Basically making it a plot device.

    All in all it tends to mean a story set in the Dreaming will be happening in layers as your memories unfold which may even lead to changed...
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  • I have a vague recollection that Mists would work just like that by the actual rules. With your memories returning to you as you venture back to the deeper parts of the Dreaming, just like with enchanted mortals, whom are claimed by the Mists as their enchantment wears off but suddenly regain those memories if enchanted again. I'm fairly certain that this is handled in Dreams and Nightmares.
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  • It's the other way around. Everytime you gain Glamour you have the option to remove a point of Banality....
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  • There actually are Chimerical firearms, up to and including Chimerical machineguns, that are bought as Treasures of varying levels, 2 for pistols/revolvers, 3 for heavy pistols/rifles and 4 for the aforementioned machineguns. These can be found in the Kithbook Nockers p.61.

    They are difficult to make and as such rare, and atleast in 2nd edition mostly a Nocker monopoly but then again their Birthright was a bit different back then.

    Nockers also make more sci-fi or steampunk weaponry like the lightning gun aswell as some oldschool repeating crossbows Etc.

    Steamtech...
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  • Well in previous editions, atleast in my personal opinion, Glamour was scarce enough that players were often unable to use any ability that required Glamour as a cost, and thus build characters in a manner that they wouldnt need to. This went at toimea so far as to players almost never using Arts as they often cost Glamour for them. Basically many of my players nearly ignored half the system if possible just to avoid spending Glamour. Similarly Banality was and still is a horridly dangerous to any Changeling.

    One of the objectives of C20 was to remain true to the concept of scarce...
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    replied to Ajudicating Unleashings.
    Exactly! That to me is the whole point of Unleashings, they can save you from being undone, from an unescabable situation or just clean your laundry but always with the price of twisting the world and providing endless storyhooks and new troubles for you and your group to face.

    Instead of a dead or undone character you get a character literally at the center of a complex web of consequences and plots and more successes on the Unleashing just mean the web can be so much more complex. One Unleashing alone could provide fodder for several sessions of play and should there be need for...
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    replied to Ajudicating Unleashings.
    With this I would say always remember that money gained is always money lost somewhere else. This alone allows for plenty of story fodder even without extra successes involved. With extra successes you might not only see the way bit twist fate and make your family suspiciously rich suspiciously fast, attracting all sort of unwanted attention not to mention the IRS. Fabulous wealth gained suddenly and through odd twists of fate can be as much a course as a blessing.


    With basic successes you might get exactly what you wanted. But the securityfootage of your shrink kneeling before...
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