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  • The Book of Worlds discusses "consensual space" - the Earth-realm parallel to Umbral space, on our side of the Gauntlet - on page 138. As we are on the Earthrealm side of the Gauntlet, our telescopes show Consensual space, in the same way that we cannot look through a microscope and see spirits, and non-Awakened vessels stay within Consensual Space (and, as Enginseer noted, actually help to expand it by thickening the Gauntlet) for the same reason a plane leaving Earthly Des Moines lands in Earthly Tulsa.

    (You may be getting tripped up by the metaphysical position of the...
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  • If the future isn't a set place, it's remarkable good fortune that my past selves managed to target the right one with their Time 4.

    Can I use Entropy/Time to baffle and break the Historical Constant by rerouting the past's inhabitants targeting into potential futures that will not be realized?
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  • Sure, if (several+) of my future incarnations tear it down. If time is simultaneous, my future selves have already spent the entirety of the future undoing what I have/will/am done/do/doing. Instant and lifetime are meaningless measures.

    If we're being targeted by Time-shifted effects from the past, can I use Time 2 warding to alleviate the Historical Constant?
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  • Hoo boy. Well, for starters, the standard disclaimer, my statements don't reflect the opinions of the BBC, you are free to do what you want &c. &c.



    I will note that your 1.) does not seem to generally hold; look at Book of Mirrors, origMadness, etc. I feel Revised's excellent definition of paradigm accommodates the distinction better than most.

    Leaving aside my disagreement about a fundamental premise, if 2.) holds, why would we presume that the avatars of past people - which have reincarnated - can effectively work against themselves? If new avatars...
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  • Five Eyes
    replied to I have a Secret…
    For what it's worth, I would consider myself probably as far into the strike zone of Mage's ostensible politics as it is possible to be, and I still find Brucato's self-mythologizing and editorializing off-putting. Not for its existence but, frankly, for its immaturity and its occasional philosophical incoherence. I don't want a dry, scholarly tome, but I wouldn't mind one that didn't provoke so much cringing embarrassment. Brucato imagines Mage as a vehicle for educating his readership and provoking them to action - which would be fine, if if his assessment of our knowledge and our character...
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  • Five Eyes
    replied to I have a Secret…
    I express my condolences to the non-backers, whose M20 books do not contain the Correct Paradigm.
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  • Five Eyes
    replied to Management and Human Resources
    I don't think anyone is saying that syndics don't use Instruments or Practices, merely that it does not seem necessary to append additional requirements or costs to certain ones, which M20 does fairly regularly across both the core book and HDYDT. I think "conspiratorial influence" is a perfectly reasonable instrument and that concealed mechanisms are a great vehicle for the "how" of an effect. I don't think this practice/instrument pairing needs to be "justified" by specific Backgrounds, any more than I would require a High Ritualist or Shaman to have Backgrounds...
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  • Five Eyes
    replied to Management and Human Resources
    Enh. I honestly, find that response not particularly germane to what I was talking about.

    I am not saying that it makes the instrument too inconvenient for the mage so much as it adds overhead to the player. I am saying that it introduces an unneeded layer of prescripting, one not present in the SyndRev, and one that SyndRev did not (to my mind, at least) suffer for lacking.It requires users of HR&M to instantiate into the fictional world in much more definite terms the elements of their paradigm, not as a check on "power" (because there is almost no consideration for...
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  • Five Eyes
    replied to Management and Human Resources
    It's a disconnect between the play modes of M20 and MRev, where the Syndicate "management and HR" stuff emerges from. MRev allows props to exist in the unrealized narrative zone, and M20's axis of coincidence decidedly doesn't.

    That said, I expect the intent of Mind3/Corr3 in the example in that sidebar is that the mage is influencing the minds of judges, and is leveraging their backgrounds to do so.

    I think it's an unnecessary complication to the instrument, but I must admit I'd be hard-pressed to name a single thing I think M20 got right....
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  • Quaesitori can investigate - they did so before Janissary, are noted as still doing so in cases of Infernalism, it's pretty much the reason for the exception in the rules about spying on Hermetics, and the Revised House's Goal is "Preservation and, now, enforcement of Hermetic law", and it notes that they're initiating law enforcement professionals to fill the gap.

    I believe that the Euthanatos's post-Janissary role is the Traditions' internal police force (see EuthRev), not the internal police force of the Order of Hermes? Post-Janissary it looks to me like the Quaesitors...
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