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  • That's one interesting point. I was going to answer that I was sure that the scandal helped to spread awareness because I wasn't aware before and surely the same applies to many others.
    But then I had this tought: How many people are aware of V5? We shouldn't be so proud. Probably the increase in awareness was very small, even with our outrage faning the flames....
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  • Well, nobody it's ashamed for demonizing, forbidding, and sometimes viciously satirizing human sacrifice. Like when people would burn babies to Moloch. And a lot more than 200 years have passed.

    Nobody repents from condemning murder in spite of "killer of men" being a great praise in the old days of Grece, and I don't think somebody suggesting the return to those ways would be very well treated nowdays. Nor that it should.

    Surely those who do human sacrifices for religious purposes have reasons to complain about the discrimination of western culture, as they...
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  • If Nazi feel attacked by such mockery...well, I would say that it was supposed to be an attack.

    Hypocrisy would be to mock Nazi ideology and yet pretend that you actually respect them and they should grow a skin and be more adult about your satire.
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  • Aleph
    replied to Help! with my Super Chronicle
    Examples of what? About the different endings?

    If it's the different endings, you don't have more than to look at ToJ. The Technocracy in Ascencion looses the VE and ends allying with the Traditions or perishing; in the second end-word scenario they're unstoppable but divide between the idealists that join the Craftmasons and control-lovers, and they're most certainly not allied with the Traditions (albeit the idealists could); in the meteorite ending they intend to blow up the meteorite w/o asking about the plans of the Traditions; in the final ending they get killed by Al-Aswa...
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  • Well, I'm glad you think that way. Surely you notice that there are ways to speak about terrible things wo being insulting. You just did:

    "Terrorism" isn't the 9/11. If the Sabbat does terrorism, nobody would complain.

    There's a differece between messing with a personal tragedy and, say, implying that the Patriarch has drones with big dicks that rape people to prove their masculinity.

    I understand the fear of SJW and alt-right brewing storms and censoring stuff. I did complain against that when in the Nazi Brujah fiasco, but this case it's different....
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  • Well, to answer your rethorical question following V5 Camarilla Editing logic: In World of Darkness that boy was raped all the same, but the real rapists were a bunch of crazy Fomore, and Garou needed a story to cover for it so they invented the whole bottle thing.

    It's that the kind of adult stories you think WW should be doing?. Because I would surely feel like punching the dude who decided to turn the suffering of my child into a fun story and profit from it...

    To put things into perpective, again:


    Shock or the inability to handle it has nothing...
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  • Aleph
    replied to Help! with my Super Chronicle
    Doissetep it's a chantry full of intrigue, powerful mages, Artifacts, magical creatures. It could be a nice place to make a vampire-like political story, where the PC can get stuff and teaching in exchange of favors, which could get them into trouble. It could also be used for any number of stories involving high fantasy and nasty old mages.

    On the other hand Doissetep it's in Mars. So martians. They were chasing an UFO, they could be interested in finding alien stuff. Perhaps the ruins of an ancient martian civilization, filled with machinery and martian ghosts. This may be the hook...
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  • Personally, I see this particular issue it's similar to the difference between saying that vampires like to kill people and telling to your neighbor, who recently lost his dad, that actually in game he was killed by a vampire.

    Playing a fiction with your neigbor's recent dead in his face isn't something you would do in real life, isn't it?. Would you think it's less of an inslut if it's other people's neigbors? If you're selling to the world, it's better to not think like that, because you're selling to those other people AND if they choose not to buy the product because of that (which...
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  • Aleph
    replied to Camarilla and Anarch Guides
    It is, indeed. But the problem, I think, it's not the flavor but the content. It's crass, but that's not the problem: They're insulting the suffering of real life people when it could have been equally crass insulting fictional characters....
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  • That's heavily implied to be the case for most, but the fate of Void Engineers it's unknown. They just vanished, albeit some voidships were seen coming out from the old COP (now a black hole).

    Being the only Technocrats that make a heavy use of DimSci (which includes ways to prevent Void Adaptation at level 5), the ones that knew what would happen after 3 months in deep universe, this is higly suspicious.
    Theories:

    *They sucumbed to Void Adaptation but weren't assimilated into Threat Null because that force has it's foundation on Social Conditioning, and the VE...
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  • Doissetep mages got blown up with their Chantry before the Storm.

    MECHA was lost, and while it's fate it's unknown I think it's higly likely that the Construct it's part of Threat Null now. I doub't the Matriarch it's human enough to exist in Earth without help, and without Earthly Nodes providing protection against Void Adaptation she should have lost the little humanity she had.

    Of other luminaries, Doc Eon fate it's unknown but his Acolites trust he will survive (and he does appear in the fiction of ToJ: Ascencion, so there's that.)

    Senex has a bunch of...
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  • A Revised Player's Guide (that should include a good section about Rotes), because the Book of Shadows it's painfully old

    A Revised Book of Chantries would be good too, as stuff changed and many chantries were destroyed.

    A book on the same vein as Spirit Ways, but about the occidental Traditions: True Names, High Ritual Hermetiscism/Gnosticism, Verbena Druidism, etc.
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  • Aleph
    replied to Realm sphere modifications
    That....
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  • Aleph
    replied to Realm sphere modifications
    I'm not certain, but I think the Digital Web increased your Correspondence in one.
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  • Aleph
    replied to Realm sphere modifications
    I searched in the Book of Worlds (the place where this language gets used the most), but in the apendix it's clear that they refer to dificulty variations (-2 being a bonus, +2 being a penalty, as usual). There's also stuff about altering successes or forbbiding certain Spheres, but nothing on Sphere level variations....
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  • Aleph
    replied to Mage 5 and a new vision
    There are many ways to make the Traditions very dark, even fanatical, in ways that none of the arguments of this thread would apply

    For instance, Traditions could easily be reality terrorists killing people for enlightenment. One of the themes of the game it's the debate betwen Freedom and Security. As the faction that catters freedom it would be appropiate if the Trads don't care too much for security. If the world Acends as a consequence, who cares if a few hundreds of millons die in the process?

    However, they can't possibly tolerate real life religious fanatics or...
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  • Aleph
    replied to Mage 5 and a new vision
    I've never seen those contradictions, I would love to see a few of those many direct contradictions you mention, because it's easy to make up indirect stuff.

    On the other hand, I bet you won't find any place in all of Mage history where the ultimate goals of the Nephandi as a faction are stated that doesn't include some mention of bringing ruinin to Earth. Prove me wrong....
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  • Aleph
    replied to M5
    Amen.

    That was what I disliked the most about Revised and the main reason my group never upgraded Second Edition....
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  • Aleph
    replied to M5
    Yeah, I agree on that.

    Altrough I would leave the possibility to have mages with the Paradigms of the sub-factions that aren't Nephandi yet. Nephandism isn't a Paradigm nor a Practice, but their sub-sects do have Paradigms/Practices that could be learned by other, non-fallen, mages. Evil and crazy mages could want to worship Lovcraftian entities or the Wyrm for power. Now doing these things does propitiate the fall (if you weren't in a Caul yet, what are you waiting for!), but that's all the more reason to teach the love of Cthulhu to more than just Nephandi

    It was my...
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  • Aleph
    replied to Mage 5 and a new vision
    Well, you need power to destroy, influence to corrupt...that your end goals aren't about power, knowledge or influence doesn't mean that these aren't aspirations (even values) too....
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