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  • Ostarion
    started a topic Calendar: Tropical or Sidereal

    Calendar: Tropical or Sidereal

    So what approach to the calendar do you use for your exalted games? And how do you explain it creatively in exalted terms whichever you use. Assuming the calendar is featured in your game of course.

    I personal prefer the Sidereal approach since the Tropical calendar requires quite a bit of strange phenomenon to try and explain the precession of the equinoxes in Creation terms. Also the calibration period more readily matches the Sidereal over the Tropical approach....
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  • Ostarion
    replied to Neo Versions
    Well, to be perfectly honest, I feel that those differences lack substance. After all, the transformation of anything ultimately turns it in to something new. And, as humans are unable to be realize the ultimate truth and be 100% certain about anything(as Mohandas Ghandi famously said), I just don't think attempting to be 'exactly' like the ancients is possible or even desirable.
    As Samudra put it, myths and legends are full of muddy and messy contexts and influences. One of the things I like about Vedic and Hindu (and everything in between and outside of it in India) is just how messy and...
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  • Ostarion
    replied to Neo Versions
    Terse, and to the point. Fortunately you will never fully know....
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  • Ostarion
    started a topic Neo Versions

    Neo Versions

    I have seen it mentioned that neo paganism in Europe is somehow nothing like how it was 2 millenium before. That due to constant migration, displacement, and exchange of ideas, that the original pagan paths are lost and can never be truly recovered.

    Indeed, one can say something similar about the way of Rujia (Confucianism for those that want the latinization), which has been reinterpreted over the eons to what can be seen of it today in China and other places. Traditionalists will insist it is one way, and visionaries will try to move things in a different direction, but things always...
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    Last edited by Ostarion; 06-20-2017, 04:12 AM.

  • Ostarion
    replied to Mythological Disagreements
    Yes, I am new, so thank you for the interesting outline between the two. I have read far more from various people about most of this, some who might agree and some who might disagree with all the points you made. So many like to compare these two and their influence in the world today, and while I understand certain positions have more evidence to back them up, I find the conversation more interesting than the winner of an argument. This is also what I had decided to do when I studied under my father on our own culture, or when I had studied the Japanese and Indian systems of knowledge. I am just...
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  • Ostarion
    replied to Mythological Disagreements
    What's that specifically?


    And as I said, I am ultimately not interested in which side has made more contributions or which methods or models of historiography are more accurate since, ultimately, we have a very narrow view of what has occurred. Chinese History keeps getting rewritten all the time because we keep finding more and more texts even in recent years. Most recently the bamboo manuscripts of Guodian, the Tang Yu Zhi Dao, and the Tsinghua strips which I believe Sarah Allan translated recently in her book Buried Ideas if you are interested.

    I was more interested...
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    Last edited by Ostarion; 06-03-2017, 09:58 PM.

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  • Ostarion
    replied to Mythological Disagreements
    I would like to point out that there is no fully satisfactory answer since the debate is unfortunately political between extreme positions on who contributed what to civilization as a whole. I am not actually interested in seeing who was right, which at this point is pretty much impossible to discern since Greek extant texts are not available (I believe the earliest fragments of Herodotus of it are 2nd A.D. and even then most of it is from the Arab translations, which were then translated back several centuries later) and Egyptian Mystery Religions made a point of keeping their secrets and never...
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    Last edited by Ostarion; 06-03-2017, 06:07 PM.

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  • Ostarion
    started a topic Mythological Disagreements

    Mythological Disagreements

    If one attempts to study Greek and Egyptian Religious beliefs in a concerted way (as I am doing now in an attempt to better understand @atamajakki's point better regarding the Egyptian write up), one can not help but realize that the scholarship between the two often do not agree with each other. Some scholars say that they developed independently while others say that most of the Greek gods were derived from the Egyptians. And that's just the beginning as each side claims to be originators of different arts and sciences in the ancient world. The list goes on.

    Now this makes for cool...
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  • Ostarion
    replied to Shen Preview
    I agree that it is supposed to be a secret. I think it makes sense for certain belief systems to make things much more of an open secret. It really depends on how many adherents they actually have and what they might believe in. Worship doesn't give more power to gods, but it certainly gives them breathing room since they don't have to keep as many secrets.

    Like most people in my region of the world, I personally believe in a large number of various teachings from multiple schools of thought, but I don't display this as a matter of faith, merely an acceptance of existence. I ring...
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  • Ostarion
    replied to Shen Preview
    I readily admit that it seems very light and romantic, but this is something that Chinese authors do as well. The past and myths are told in mostly positive lights in favor of the good deities over the disreputable ones, until they get better and then they are seen positively as well. Some contemporaries argue that harmony is just a nice way of explaining things we don't understand. Or that such order is actually deceptive of what is really a chaotic existence.

    But I don't mind the levity, even if it is deceptive, simply because it matches the human ability to do the same. And a...
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  • Ostarion
    replied to Confucius Is A God?
    Well, yes , and there are a lot of other categories related to it. Plenty of examples, written by both traditional and internet authors. Wuxia Chongsheng being a recent webnovel I am reading features them. Tianxia was something I mentioned regarding the RPG which features the stereotypical Triad as well.

    But yes there are numerous Yi yin genres of all types, and any one of them can have plenty of Chinese stereotypes...
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  • Ostarion
    replied to Confucius Is A God?
    I do agree that it is a stereotype, especially in our own literature and popular novels. But I think the best way to solve the problem is to just add more sects and clans as that list of followers is quite small....
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  • Ostarion
    replied to Confucius Is A God?
    It doesn't seem all that different from Tianxia or Wuxia and the web novels that come out of those genres today (of which I have read a few). Its interesting that you feel that it is associated with Yellow Peril, as I am personally quite sensitive to that and I didn't feel it too much. As for the conversational tone, since the Great Classics of Chinese Literature are mostly vernacular fiction, that seems quite appropriate....
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  • Ostarion
    started a topic Shen Preview

    Shen Preview

    Disclaimer: I will not and cannot represent the ideas and beliefs of the billions of people who are here now or have come before me in Chinese culture. I speak only for myself about the various elements of the preview that I find interesting or worth note. Hence, what I say is not ultimate truth, but merely an individual expression out of many.

    So the Shen Preview is certainly interesting, I want to see where it goes from here because there are some interesting gameplay elements that come about due to the shape of Chinese thought and understanding. Some things that I think work well...
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